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Forum Post: So the Trolls are on to me big time.

Posted 2 years ago on May 15, 2012, 8:30 a.m. EST by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ
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This may have happen to others before this is the first time my karma score has ever gone down, hey Trolls its working you beating me down and suppressing a true revolutionary voice, good job!

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[-] 3 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

This isn't Huff Post. Who cares about points?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6587) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Don't take it too personal. I've recently been down-voted numerous times and I'm about as benign a participant as anyone could be. It's an attack on the forum as a whole.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4648) 2 years ago

Shows how good of a job you have done with getting the truth out there.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That's why you have big shoulders. A nasty kind of compliment - Hey? The attackers of the movements against greed corruption and crime have never been able to accept the fact of a successful leaderless movement.

Ahemm....uh ..... should I salute or anything (?) since the opposition has seen fit to promote your contributions.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

no salute, I'm an enlisted man, I work for a living. (or I was)

I sent some of the new names in, they were already banned, seems some of older folks have wieghed in, the "moles" I remember you ran into that too, I wonder if this was planned from the beginning or maybe they got a new boss in the Troll factory.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It has happened before to other good contributors. GirlFriday was a target of intense unrelenting attacks. They still go after her quite often. As well as others.

They need to discredit supporters as they really have nothing else with which to defend themselves ( the Greedy corrupt criminals ). The movements are hurting them - so they try to go after any perceived strength. To them any who have a high score - must be a leader - and so a target of opportunity in derailing the movements.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

yes I saw the stuff on GirlFriday, vote her whenever I see her she does some of the serious work, not exactly concerned more interested in if there had been a new rush, I believe there has, as with most things, I doubt I'm the only one, I learned after I had invented MTV that many will have a good ideal, that can be reasuring

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The attackers have been all over the forum the last few days and are making a resurgence again right now. They are frustrated desperate frothing at the mouth. The movements against greed corruption and crime must be making headway.

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[-] 2 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

Never worry about that. You do not post for the trolls, do you?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not really, they just feed me the latest talking points so I can deconstruct them and show others how to responded, if they wish to, I see my role as that of blacksmith just making the weapons, it's your choice to use them. A number of the top posters are "under attack" it seems, I guess they must think people might be listening and they don't want the new people to find those of us that have been talking about things for a bit, let it play out a while I guess see how it goes.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Hey read your bio, what do you think about a jubilee?

[-] 2 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

I hope it does't get removed as anything slightly religious seems to be banned here. Anyway:

In The Bible once in seven years a Sabbath Year was introduced in which debts were forgiven (Deut. 15:1-18). Once in the fifty years there was a Jubilee (Lev. 25:8-55). In the Jubilee every man could return to his possession while the land had to be redeemed. The Bible also banned charging interest. The periodic debt forgiveness in The Bible was not unique as Mesopotamian royal edicts cancelled debts, freed debt-servants and restored land to cultivators who had lost it under economic duress.

It is often argued that periodic debt forgiveness, like a ban on interest charges will deprive people from needed credit. When there is a holding tax on money, this will not happen. The absence of a risk premium in the form of interest and periodical debt forgiveness will refrain potential creditors from letting debtors go too far into debt. It is also in the interest of the borrowers not to borrow more than they are able to repay. Therefore the absence of interest and the introduction of a recurrent debt forgiveness can be helpful in curtailing unwise lending.

The freedom advocated by the Covenant Code of Exodus, the septennial year of release in Deuteronomy and the Jubilee Year of Leviticus's Holiness Code were not just abstract literary ideas, but concrete legal practises freeing rural populations from debt servitude and the land from appropriation by foreclosures. It is therefore reasonable to assume that those concepts will still work well today. The creation of debt under a system of interest can be considered as fraud because new debts are needed to pay off the interest on existing debts, making debts grow exponentially. The current financial crisis therefore can be considered as the endgame of a system of fraud by usury.

http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#pdfg

There are some links to more materials there.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It’s good to run across someone who is familiar with this, yes I don’t see it as a religious thing so much as a way for economic balance. I think the rulers of old saw it as a way to limit the power of the merchants. Our government today is under threat by the merchant class, only this time it’s not a King coming down, which might be good, it is our democracy, there are those who would want you to think the same way about it, our democrat government and a King so that they can sieze control for themselves and call it “freedom”.

Debt is the tool, used by the wealthy to control the masses, we must deal with that to be successful.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

The problem is that most schemes do not work. Making people aware does not work. That has been tried for decades.

Most people think that they depend on the system and are reluctant to change.

You must have a powerful tool to enforce change even when you are a minority. I think I have figured out something that will work:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/natural-money-bomb-the-way-to-finish-off-the-usury/

It has been tried in the past and it worked well so it has been banned by the government.

The scheme does not need many people and it does not need much money.

If it works then the heat is on. And it probably will work because it did work in the past.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't agree that we have tried to inform the people, till now all information was filtered through someone with some "bank" with the internet that is no longer the case, i have pointed out a number of fundamental things that Al Franken though he knew of and agreed with refused to air on his show, some truths cannot be told in the mass media. So I believe this forum and perhaps others present an opportunity that has never been available before. I believe that people remember bumper stickers; I believe the truth is strong enough to be told simply, so that is where I do my work, simply telling the truth. I do think your concept has merits, I simply wish to fund the government with a property tax and pay off the national debt with the current trust funds as they pass at death, but I'm just looking for simple things.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

I think Occupy and spreading information will help to organise a group of people but it will not change the system.

1968 was a year of revolution but in the end nothing much changed. The financial crisis is an opportunity because it is cause by the mechanics of the usury financial system.

People can finally see for themselves what it is all about. The experience will teach them more than theory I think.

I hope something will work. It could be the Natural Money Bomb because it does not need many people and not much money.

It has to take some direction.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Transfer your money to a non-profit credit union. That will definitely be felt by the corrupt greed criminals.

Why reinvent something that just needs proper regulation. You are just introducing the same thing with another name - and that new name will also need proper regulation.

So lets transfer accounts and continue to push for proper regulation.

Bring back Glass-Stegal.

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I would but I did that about thirty years ago, never looked back.

Glass-Stegal should be a lay down no brainer, I mean the 1% agreed to that once already.

You're right about making the changes we can, and pushing always for bigger ones.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks for your support in the fight against greed corruption and crime.

[-] -2 points by AntiQuisling (-2) 2 years ago

A Heads-Up For The Quislings

To "DKAtoday": What we don't know with certainty yet is who's paying you and your accomplices to subvert this forum - ostensibly for the OWS defiant - to co-opt them back into the flock of Demopublican compliant. We are painfully aware that we will never turn the lambs responsible for "99%" of the postings here into lions. But for the sake of the 1 in 100 that MIGHT raise their woolly heads, open their eyes and grow a pair, we cannot allow partisan operatives like YOU to reassure them that voting for the lesser of two corporate-controlled evils is an "exercise in democracy". You are a traitor to everything OWS stands for, "DKAtoday". And when the time is right, your protective veil of anonymity will be lifted. It was pierced several days ago. In the interim, I suggest you Google the word "Quisling".

P.S. Getting your accomplices to "ban" us once or one thousand times will change nothing.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Luv U 2.

Quisling?

Examples of QUISLING

<warned that all quislings would be punished without mercy>

Origin of QUISLING Vidkun Quisling †1945 Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis First Known Use: 1940 Related to QUISLING Synonyms: apostate, backstabber, betrayer, double-crosser, double-dealer, Judas, traitor, recreant, serpent, snake, turncoat


Funny.

Yeah.

Sounds just like you and your blind marching crew of greedy corrupt criminal supporters.

Good one.

Thanks for raising your hand and waving for those who might not have recognized you yet.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

Well I did put my money on a similar bank but the core problem is interest on money and credit unions do not change much. It is simple mathematics:

Interest causes wealth to concentrate as the poor pay interest to the rich. Interest can therefore be seen as a tax on poverty to the benefit of the rich. The following example demonstrates this and also that interest on money is unsustainable and leads to crisis:

If someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilogrammes of gold weighing 6,000,000 times the complete mass of the Earth.

If interest is charged on a limited scale or over a short timeframe then those problems do not surface. Interest is an insidious process. Over time it is unescapable that it reduces large numbers of people to a state of servitude to the money lenders. This is a long term development that transcends the life span of a human. Interest is the main reason why a number of civilisations have failed and why Western civilisation is about to fail. Therefore all interest is usury and the current financial system is a usury financial system.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You think rates may grow as the credit unions do? I mean they need to stay non-profit. What happens when they make successful community loans and that little bit of interest is paid back into the credit union system. It has to go somewhere - so if not into the pockets of executive officers or Board of directors - do you think that it will go to the share holders (?) - account holders?

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

The only solution is a complete ban on interest on money.

To make that possible you have to levy a tax on money, so people are willing to lend out money at 0% so they can evade the tax.

If there is no money printing then economic growth will lead to lower prices and a positive real return on 0% loans.

If you put money in a savings account nowadays, the real return is negative, so a saver will be better of without interest (it may seem strange).

This is also the reason why interest free banking is superior and can bring down the current financial system. It is explained here:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OH - Hell - why bother with that? Why don't we just say that every thing is free?

Go out to eat - Free

Want a car - Free

Go to the grocery store - Free

Go travel around the world - Free

Hhmmmmmmmm - sounds great - where do I sign up?

Wait a sec - if everything is free (?) whats the motivation for anyone to do anything to make sure things get made or put on a shelf somewhere for me to freely wander in and take it?

Hhmmmmmm - some sort of credit system needed?

Hhmmmm wonder if any one has been down this road before?

OH - shit - why did I not think of this before ?

Robots !!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem solved.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

Did I say free? If you read carefully you must conclude that 0% is a better offer for an investor because the money rises in value.

The borrower has to repay a higher value unless the economy tanks (which it does not because interest on money is the cause of economic crises).

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes there are some altruistic people. Would be wonderful if everyone was. But unfortunately this is not a perfect world. Oh - well - something left to strive for I guess.

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[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

Shouldn't worry bout your score, its the substance of your material that matters and you know what trolls are about so ignore them. Remember, Do not feed the trolls, the damn things will follow you home and you'll never get rid of em.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28125) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow - you would think it was the 15th of May or something and Occupy is protesting NATO or something. I mean the trolls do come out ( or seem to ) when the movements are having action days.

Huh.

Amazing that they are getting on the best comment board quite a lot too. Do they become more popular on action days?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 2 years ago

You mean that arbitrary number in parentheses beside you user name? Why would you even be concerned about that?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't know if concerned is the operative word, I observe and past what I see to others, in the hope that it will lead to a better future. That is all.

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