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Forum Post: So is the guy in the turban an Arab Islamic radical? or an American Christian radical?

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 26, 2012, 3:33 p.m. EST by ericweiss (575)
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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

fortunately the Irish Catholics & Protestants have stopped.
BUT
do you know how many Muslims / Arabs have been killed by Muslims / Arabs in the last 65 years? 11,000,000

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

How many Catholic children were victimized by the clergy in the last 65 years? Much of what is commonly referred to the Dark Ages in Europe coincided with the time when the Catholic church controlled almost every aspect of human life. Is it and wonder that it took us almost 200 years to elect a Catholic, President?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

God created man
God allowed man to create religion to expose those who should go to hell

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

So then many Christians who supported the unjust wars that we have carried out under the guise of noble intentions, but in reality for American business interests also belong in hell. It is only now when these injustices are being played out on us are we bitching.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

A child in the US is 100 times more likely to be molested by a public school teacher than a priest. Where is the outrage against the union teachers and the administrators that let it happen?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"100 times more likely"?? Any time a child is molested by and adult, there should be outrage. The attempted cover-up, and the act itself were systemic, as in throughout the world, with the Catholic church, and that was disgraceful. In trying to convert the world to Catholicism there have been many other tragedies carried out on native populations. Keep in mind that this criticism is coming from someone that was raised a Catholic, but believes history should be about truth

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

The point is that the outrage is selective. The NYT is not calling for investigations at the NEA or public school districts where molesters operated for up to 30 years. This is just a case of the usual suspects taking the opportunity to do some old fashioned Catholic bashing. Kick em when their down journalism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443437504577547313612049308.html

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Your point is understood. Holding people accountable for their actions, or inactions is to a big degree what this rev is about. That includes people in unions. I am critical of the hypocrisy in all religions that preach morals, but act in an opposing way either by their silence or by what they promote.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

The good news is that most people in most religions are virtuous. The few that fall from grace are the stuff of articles in the NYT. They make their living on the weaknesses of others, particularly those not of their political bent.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

generally when it does happen it isn't hidden in the closet

rather it is referred to law enforcement for further investigation

that has not been true in the past among the Catholic clergy.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Lets see, of your five links, it looks like:

one is a disgruntled anti-unionist right wing nimrod

one is a sting for child molesters

one is a blog post

one might be an online pamplet for parents and students

and one might be either a press release or an actual news item . . . .

but none of them are from a credible news source.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Info on this subject is not hard to find if you have an open mind. What is your interest in protecting child molesters, the schools, news outlets, and unions that cover for them?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443437504577547313612049308.html

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

ah, the wall street journal. right leaning on most issues, but a credible news source for all of that.

LoL!

indeed.

hum? what?

What is your interest in protecting child molesters, the schools, news outlets, and unions that cover for them?

I have none. The problem of recidivism among sex offenders is largely the result of inadequate sentencing. The fukers should all hang.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Did the NYT or Wash Post report the WSJ story? Why not? Why are they covering for child molesters?

Because it does fit with their politics. They don't know that they are biased just like fish don't know they are wet.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I would suggest that the fact is that if the problem of child molestation reaches a chronic level, in either the public or the private educational system of the U.S., one indicating a systemic pattern of coverup and abuse of power, the story will be one of such salacious nature that no news desk will fail to cover it.

The fact is that this has been exactly the state of affairs for the Catholic church of late -

  • and it has been a problem international in scope.
[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I have no dog in the Catholic scandal fight. My issue is the selective outrage. There are many more children molested in public schools by serial sickos over dozens of years than by Catholic Priests. About 100 times the number in fact according to the USDOE. Where are the front page NYT, Wash Post, and LA Times articles and investigative reports? They aren't there because they don't fit their politics. Politics first, kids second.

The one recent exception is the Penn State scandal and that got good coverage because they hate football almost as much as Catholics.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-17/news/30529179_1_autistic-student-school-aide-complaint

http://wizbangblog.com/2011/07/08/sexual-abuse-of-students-in-schools-is-likely-more-than-100-times-the-abuse-by-priests/

http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

If the numbers are correct then it is disturbing.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

This behavior is confounding. I can't believe that it is motivated entirely by Religion. There must be some other reason.

With the Irish it was really all about power, land, and old scores than how you take communion.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Just as any group of people, who feel that they are being persecuted, they turn to their religion for comfort, and strength.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

And then butcher their fellow worshipers? There has got to be more to this story.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

There are something like a billion Muslims in this world. Islam is practiced in many different ways. For us to expect them all to be up to our standards is unrealistic, and ethnocentric of us ...especially in countries like Afghanistan which could be categorized as a backward tribal society. Add to this the West's constant intervention, and our support of brutal despots ever since oil was discovered in the Mid East in the late 1800s...... these countries have not had the chance to develop in a normal way. What excuse do our Christian souls have for all the death, and destruction that our tax dollars have paid for? Very conveniently we rarely see that devastation, or pretend it does not happen.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

The West intervenes in the Middle East (and elsewhere) because they are living on top of our oil. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Our oil....our right to support brutal despots? Just because many of the people in the Middle East are Muslims, they are denigrated in this country.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

It is pretty much our oil, we pay for most of it, our geologists find it, our engineers get it out of the ground, and our military protects its free flow.

As to as Muslim denigration in America, they will have to get in line behind Jews, Indians, blacks, Hispanics, and the Dutch. Americans are equal opportunity denigrators. It's what makes us special.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I suggest that you put your patriotism aside, educate yourself, and then search for your soul.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Amen to that! Whew!!

Brainwashing has turned our nation into a massive Brat Pack...

Gimme, Gimme, Gimme! Mine, mine, mine!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

look up the EXACT difference between Sunni & Shiite
a very large percent is just that consider Syria - governed by Alawhites - a small minority
OR
saddam's minority OR
The Islamic Genocide Records of
ARAB/MUSLIM on ARAB/MUSLIM killings 1948- today:
- 50,000 Tajikistan, 1992-96 (secularists against Islamists)
- 40,000 Chad, 1982-90
- 25,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
- 20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
- 10,000 South Yemen, 1986 (civil war)
- 16,000 Western Sahara, 1975-present
- 75,000 Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
- 80,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
-100,000 North Yemen, 1962-70
-140,000 Kuwait War, 1990-91
-150,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
-150,000 Liberia, 1989-97
-300,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
-300,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
-400,000 Somalia, 1991-present
-200,000 Algeria, 1991-2006 (between Islamists and the government)
-1,000,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
-1,100,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
-1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

What religions were responsible for these wars? Muslims have no monopoly on violence.

60,000,000–72,000,000 – World War II (1939–1945)

36,000,000 – (number exaggerated based on census system,but not considering the territorial shrink and inefficient census system afterwar An Shi Rebellion (China, 755–763)

30,000,000–60,000,000 – Mongol Conquests (13th century) (see Mongol invasions and Tatar invasions)

25,000,000 – Qing dynasty conquest of Ming dynasty (1616–1662)

20,000,000 – World War I (1914–1918) (see World War I casualties)

20,000,000 – Taiping Rebellion (China, 1850–1864) (see Dungan revolt)

20,000,000 – Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945)[30]

8,000,000–12,000,000 – Dungan revolt (China, 1862–1877)

7,000,000–20,000,000 Conquests of Tamerlane (1370–1405)

5,000,000–9,000,000 – Russian Civil War and Foreign Intervention (1917–1922)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

You could consider WWII a religious war as in the nazi "faith"
and the crusades too
I don't know about the religious nature of the rest

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

That Nazi faith was nationalism. It's just as alive in the U.S. today and used to justify all manner of torture, murder, destruction, and occupation. Some may claim to do it in the name of God, or for country, or for both, but the underlying motivation is to gain wealth and power, unevenly distributed to the few at the top.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

"That Nazi faith was nationalism"
Its real core was racist superiority - to the point of a religion

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Certainly racism was present. Like the racial superiority that was justified under the banner of "manifest destiny". That allowed white settlements in the U.S. to expand and engulf Native territories. To the Indian, we were the Nazis. The reservations were the concentration camps. Just not to the same level of cruelty as the Nazis.

When all of the various causes of violence are considered, they can all be boiled down to one, selfishness. Raising ones own needs, or their own nations needs above all others.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

But just a cursory review of the list shows at least half of the deaths that were motivated by pursuit of land or power; not religion.

Religion may be used to inspire (and inject courage into) the warriors and dehumanize the enemy, but I am not sure that the leaders were motivated by secular differences. Was Saddam Hussein a zealot?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

He used his power as one Muslim minority "flavor" to subjugate & kill the others
Similar to Syria & South Africa

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Well the Iraqi ruling class under Hussein was fairly secular.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

IT was secular - because it was not "radical"
but his "flavor" subjugated ( and murdered ) the other "flavors"

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Well he was a corrupt despot but his actions did not seem to have been motivated religion.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13714) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It is difficult to tell them apart these days, isn't it?

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I agree... hit 'em where they breath. And hit 'em hard.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

Sir - hitting either of them is easy
winning them over to moder n freedom is hard

[-] -3 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I'll let you in on a little secret - so many in the world have already voluntarily prostrated themselves in an effort to prove a bona fide multicultural tolerance that it appears Europe has already fallen to this self segregating immigrant population, that has never permitted criticism of any kind; so many in fact that we have actually developed a word for it - the word is "dhimmitude" and it specifically references Muslims. The US will become the refuge of last resort if we are not undermined by our own immigrant population that refuses to assimilate through inter marriage. Our governors do not care that their grandchildren will be enslaved to Sharia. And castrated.

It seems they are hell bent on their own destruction.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

ASS-imilate into what? If facts be-knownst, the majority are trying to become citizens, and better ones at that. There are organizations, schools, and government sponsorship for those who are learning how to obtain their citizenship as well as be better citizens (something the majority of you all could benefit from) and testing for their citizenship..

Your fears and doubts are of your own raising.

It is people like you that we should be afraid of.....for example...... http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map I don't see too many turbans in that picture!

Most who join this OWS movement are considered radical and that has grown stronger in opinion since 2005. In fact the FBI is monitoring this website as we speak (type, post, whatever!)...so in reality... They have seen the enemy and it is YOU!! http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/sep/21/20050921-102703-7616r/

How many of you actually know what is in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Executive Orders? What constitutes a citizen on these shores my fellow Americans? Most of you would flunk the damned test!

[-] -2 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I have no fear of the government; I promote no harm; in fact, I am even hesitant with verbal attacks.

Do you not see any Turbans or Burqas in Detroit? Do you see American in Alameda or Lincoln Park? This is not assimilation, it's self-segregation, to the point where second and third generation are repeatedly marrying first cousins.

I know very well that the Constitution with use of the words "natural born" has attached an extremely liberal view of naturalization; those born of an American woman anywhere in the world are "natural born" American citizens; the problem is that they never defined the word "citizen" which in my mind requires assimilation, allegiance, fidelity, loyalty, and contribution.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

So...what's in your DNA?

Stop acting ignorant.... Your countrymen are fighting against a system that was set up by pale skin people, for pale skin people and wants to continue to be run by pale skin people, for whatever dumb ass reason they might have! Ain't nobody buying that old adage bullshyt about what people are segregating themselves or have a higher crime rate, murder rate, rape rate, childbirth rate, etc. etc. etc.... All nations are F*** UP, and the problem stems from the fact that the brain matter of individuals (CORPORATIONS) such as yourself have no problem wanting to keep it that way in order to keep your own ass in your own self perpetuated make believe existence.. Listen up.....it ain't happening no more! Go back to the drawing board....it is A NEW ERA IN TIME!

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I have virtually everything in my DNA. And I am "American." To be anti-Caucasian as you very obviously are, is to be ignorant, racist, and highly prejudicial.

If you prefer a less multicultural world, then have at it. No one has ever said you must live amongst white people. And if you think America can be American without those of a European heritage, you are highly mistaken.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

"I have virtually everything in my DNA. And I am "American." To be "anti-Caucasian as you very obviously are, is to be ignorant, racist, and highly prejudicial.

If you prefer a less multicultural world, then have at it. No one has ever said you must live amongst white people."

Who said anything about white people or Caucasians? The word is pale...which defines the degree of melanin in ones skin...not a race, or color or genetic breeding.... It is individuals such as yourself who have limited their knowledge of self, origins of self and this great planet of ours and the people who live on it!. In fact, we all have everything in our DNA, just some have more or less than others! There are only two on this continent, Asiatics and Europeans...so which one are you!
I know my family has both.....but do you?

Now, getting back to our multicultural world.... When did your dumb ass get so 'HOLIER THAN THOU"?

Don't you know you just might be trying to murder your cousin, or someone from your mother or fathers lineage?

You all are too ignorant for words and deserve all that you put out here!

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Your countrymen are fighting against a system that was set up by pale skin people, for pale skin people and wants to continue to be run by pale skin people, for whatever dumb ass reason they might have!

The reason we have a system that supports pale skinned people is because we ARE pale skinned people. And it's been a highly successful system that has served to temper governance and promote prosperity everywhere in the Western World.

And I am getting very tired of being called a racist because I am of European heritage and believe in our way of life; step off you racist bastard.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Sure its been successful moron....but at what price and how much destruction of the lives of men, women and children? How many nations have been annihilated to perpetuate a lie that was only created to make it appear that this country had something going for it only by and through alleged, and I do mean "ALLEGED" white folks?.

If you continue to believe that you are entitled to something, because of false indoctrination, then my advice to you would be to hold on to your arse, Peter Pan, because the ride for you is gonna get worse...

And I am not a Bastard, my parents were legally married before my birth, nor am I racist....I am just telling it like it is... I am also of European and Asiatic descent, I can trace my lineage back to over 10,000 years and no one can prove otherwise....so there is no way I could possibly be racist....I know the truth about made up race concepts! Now, if the truth puts you on equal footing, with me and everyone else on the planet and makes you realize that you ain't that big of a deal....and that your shyt stinks just like the Muslims and everyone else....then know.....

This country has a lot to answer for......

FYI....FREEMASONRY in America..... The only requirement to be a Shriner is being a Freemason. However, the ritual and ceremonies of the Shrine are taken from the Muslim world. Shrine Temples are named after parts of the Muslim world, members wear Fezes, and the ritual calls upon elements for the Koran (just as regular Freemasonry uses the story of King Solomon’s temple from the Old Testament of the Bible). Live long and prosper and Learn!

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=101038 http://masonforum.com/

So...If the turban or fez fits, wear it sadiq,!