Forum Post: SIC
Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 14, 2012, 10:19 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
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from South Burlington, VT
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I feel sick. Do you feel sick? I do. I feel sick. That hollow, empty kind of sick, angry sick. Sick to death sick. It's the same kind of sick that I felt when I heard via WCAX that Israel Keys selected his victims on the basis of specific circumstances.
He was somebodies little pet. I have no doubt.
I have no proof of course. No one of course will point out that it is problematic, basing one's opinion of such things on no more than the filter provided by the news media. But I am aware of the difficulty. Never the less, I remain convinced.
was someone's pet.
Not paid to kill so much as he was enticed - and rewarded - both positively and negatively, until the desired behavior was produced. Behavior that ended in death. Over 11 times apparently, according to the FBI. It is my opinion - he was someone's pet.
And this latest school shooting - the fruit of MK-ULTRA will never be shown to have played any role what so ever - whether it did or not. I am certain that it has played a role, at least in most of the mass shootings that have occurred in this nation in the course of my lifetime, if not in this latest as well.
That is my opinion.
IF I am correct then it matters not if you ban all firearms completely or not. For in the end, those with the will and the technology to produce mass or serial murder and do so for political ends will continue to do so - using motor vehicles, sharp implements or household chemicals, it matters not.
That is my opinion.
Given that this is my opinion, it seems to bear some responsibility. The responsibility to speak. But ultimately, will it matter? Certainly the guilty will go unpunished. The pet takers and the pet keepers will not see their crime paraded in the light of day. Not now, not for us, not this generation.
Perhaps one day, but not today.
Rest assured, that if I thought by dying, tonight, I might somehow change that reality, I would, and I would smile.
I would like nothing better than to see ten thousand bio-behaviorists strung from lamp posts all across this fair land, with their guilt incontrovertible, laid bare for all to see, and weep.
Or cheer, as the case may be.
"someone's pet", "The pet takers and the pet keepers" -- how does that work?
I've heard of individuals being manipulated through titrating anxiety causing agents and anxiety meds to a state of a psychotic level of anxiety. And that the anxiety is reduced after specific behaviors and stated thoughts. And that after a point the anxiety will be reduced by these behaviors themselves. We're talking anxiety levels so high a person would do anything to reduce it. Is this account factual? Does this bio-med technology exist?
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Very Interesting Comments. Thanks.
BTW OWS Forum is no longer loading more than a dozen posts on my computer. I sort of think this is a corporate take over ...I don't know, some upgrade 2 weeks ago? A dumbing down of OWS Forum?
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Thanks. I have tried to delete temporary files. My computer does seem to use a lot of processes and memory for some reason.
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Wow, talk about opening up a broad post for broad comments.
Yes, Monstrous is the normal feeling of people if they learned of the activities you describe. Sick is the feeling.
I heard some discussion about MK Ultra again this year. The speaker was so convinced and convincing ... I actually repeated it to someone later on. There is no doubt that the Government, elements of the government (hear the deniability there), conducted many experimental type testing on humans ...everyone should have heard about the VD transferred to black men in the military ...There seems to be a prime motivation in the European Culture to create military advantages at all costs ... this seems to lead to atrocities in battle, captivity, and in use of torture (I'm white by the way) ... There seems no limit to the imagination ... on what military will try ... mind control, psycho-active drugs, robots, drones, gas agents, umbrellas with poison tips, radiation posioning, ...
It actually seems to me that Films and Novels capture very real Ideas and put them up for all of us to be aware of. Tom Clancy's books Debt of Honor, Rainbow Six, ....
Some will find your Post to be a dark view of the world. But what is worse? How about the crap they teach us about US History? Our US History is so bad that they have to Classify Most of what the US Military Does, and strange other things that the public has compelling reason to fully Investigate and have full disclosre. Like JFK & MLK Assasinations... it has been 50 years, people. How about the attempted Coup against FDR? How about the WMDs in Iraq? How about the Cause and Start and conduct of Vietnam War? How about the US Providing Material Assistance to Sadam Hussein of WMD for use against Iran? How about the Covert US Efforts of Regime Change in Iran in 1959? How about the 2008 Financial Crisis - clearly a National Security Issue that should be fully exposed and Invstigated.
Anyway you are right that murder, mayhem, and killing won't stop as a result of first, second, or third phases of Gun bans. We have plenty of news reports of big city break ins by poor gang members that use household chemicals to destroy victims and destroy evidence.
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Some things are not as new as one would believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#May_31.2C_1972_Peteano_massacre
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I stumbled upon that quite accidentally. A great many things took on a new light afterward. Thanks.
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The light never seems to regain its brightness once it is dimmed; but the truth is a trade-off I am unwilling to undo.
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As it illuminates the deep dank places...yes. It is wonderful once the individual is able to see it and utilize its power. Frightening as it may be, it can light the way to better times for mankind. A magnificent flashlight too hot to hold, it can be.
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Once average Americans realize that they have been subjected to such outlandish and horrific experiments by individuals that hold no loyalty to them, they will act, and the world weep for what America will have done to such traitorous souls.
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Likewise.
Great exposure! Shine the light on the dark underbelly of life! Humanity deserves to know the abominable and 'less than human' practices of our historical and current ruling elite. How else can we save the defenseless people who are suffering at the hands of the cruel oligarchs.
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One word comes to mind....
CIAbrainwashingmindcontroldrugsteqniquesandmethods
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More than 50 years have passed since MK Ultra received 6 percent of the CIA budget. It is not hard to believe that there are ways to control minds now without drugs. Statistically at least.
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Imagine the methods we know nothing of, let alone methods of torture we do know of. All it takes is a mind sick enough to implement it. We need to stop justifying the actions of those minds.
The desire to control the behavior of others and to corrupt human nature by twisting social instinct to the profit of self interested leaders is original sin.
Those who impose their will on others and the others who allow their will to be overtaken are all guilty of the continued commission of original sin that is threatening the survival of the human race.
For more about the roots of dysfunctional economy and culture see: How Does That Work? https://www.createspace.com/3852916
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Did anyone ever consider that parents are "behavioralists." And so are all other influences - the schools which prohibit males from settling dispute, even the TV - since vision serves no other purpose but to inform, is a behavioralist.
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I'm out of my league here.
I understand the first statement and I understand your last... but I now find myself curious about the suffix "ist" - a literal-ist, a realist, a plagiarist... absolutist, abstractionist, antagonist, an absurdist... an ethicist, an atheist, a communist... an intellectualist... is there this thing of "practice" inherent in the noun? Well... indubitably.
Behavioral-ist, an adjective transformed into a noun and now I am again be-wondered - what to say of the now indubitable suffix "al"? Well...: "of or pertaining to, have the form or character of...," etc, and etc:
So what we have is of the form - behavior - and with the addition of the suffix 'al' it is a practice, not a study; what???
So I think those that practice to study should be called??? Studyists. Isn't that precisely what we call them? What then of a study-al-ist?
What of those who practice the study of students? Are we to call then Studentalists?
Did I just invent a new field of study?
The purpose of the parent is to prepare children for society; this escapes us as a matter of form; here a deficiency of language. Can we here separate the object from the form?
Parents are both behavioral constructionists and construction - al - ists, instruction-ists and instruction-al-ists, obstruction-ists and obstruction-al-ists.
I'm quite certain you stated all this very precisely, somehow... didn't you?
I know, I know, it's merely my lack of education that has failed to educate me in the proper use of nouns...
Bare with me and no doubt you will reveal all.
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Please share your best link on MK Ultra. I've heard about this several times, but honestly have not taken the time to look into it. I would like to.
Thanks.
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I'm hoping that book by Packard is good. I just ordered it online because hardcover was only 7 bucks with shipping.
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that's alright. the description seemed interesting enough and it got great reviews. I already ordered it.
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I've seen the way propaganda is used. I would not be surprised if THEY found the next step.
Thanks for the info. I'm going to start with Vance Packard and The People Shapers.
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Is his last name Holme or is it Homme?
LOL and it looks like the downvote campaign against me continues.
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I know who is doing it. I'm not blaming you. I just can't believe they're still going out of their way to do it. It's been like a week. They literally click on all my comments in the recent section just to go to them and downvote.
anyway. thanks for the info!
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All of my recent posts for this week of the downvotes have been on the following topics, HSBC fraud, Morgan Stanley's racism & fraud, The Federal Reserve giving money to banks, Drone strikes, Chris Hedges speaking against the banks, US spy programs, and a Wal-Mart security guard shooting a woman.... yet this week i've gotten the most downvotes, much more than normal.
THEY don't like people speaking against the banks and the Wall Street government.
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Yes that is very true. It's also a distraction because Congress is almost entirely to blame when it comes to corrupt monetary policy. Only they have the power to reform it and that is according to the Constitution. I do find Bush's Ben Bernanke very questionable though. I just hope their tactics aren't being used to deter people away from looking into monetary policy. So many have been quick to associate anyone talking about monetary policy with the libertarians or republicans. There are great and trustworthy liberals like Dennis Kucinich and Alan Grayson who know for a fact that the federal reserve is corrupt.
We need real monetary reform like Dennis Kucinich's HR 2990, the National Emergency Employment Defense Act.
"IF I am correct then it matters not if you ban all firearms completely or not. For in the end, those with the will and the technology to produce mass or serial murder and do so for political ends will continue to do so - using motor vehicles, sharp implements or household chemicals, it matters not."
There is ample evidence that you are not correct, people do not find other means nearly as often in places where guns are harder to get. Only one other country, Finland has had more than one of these in the past thirty years or so we have had 11. The ease of acquiring guns in America diffidently adds to the number of mass killings here. People do find "other means" in other countries but only about one tenth as often as here, so gun control laws only make sense if you want to reduce these by 90% or so if that's not interesting then it's not worth it.
Germany has had more than one in the last ten years; "more than one" is not a valid qualifier either - Norway's killed more than 80.
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