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Forum Post: Should US model itself on current China?

Posted 2 years ago on June 22, 2012, 6:29 a.m. EST by sirtruthhurtsalot (7)
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Do you think US should model itself on current China?

Arturo works there and he says it's great. China is improving, and US is getting worse. Their economy is booming, and arturo tells us they aren't really that bad when it comes to human rights, and censorship. Arturo also tells us Chinese people don't really want democracy since they love their current dictator.

Your thoughts? Is it time for a communist one government US?



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[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

No, we definitely shouldn't model China (and its mostly $1/hour wages), but we do need a new constitution, as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 businesses (or investments) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 businesses (or investments) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ ; so help us help you, today!

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Why would we model our government after another oligarchic regime, we're already there?

The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Our government can arrest people and hold them without filing charges. Our government is currently imposing stricter censorship on the internet ( http://www.firstpost.com/tech/googles-transparency-report-us-leads-the-censorship-brigade-349101.html ). Our military tortures enemy combatants, etc, etc, etc.

Does that make the U.S. as bad or worse than China? No, but certainly both governments are on the same playing field.

[-] 0 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

Nah, China restricts freedoms a lot more than US does. A lot more! It's not even comparable. Try running a site like this in China that calls for anarchy! Lol!

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I did point out that the U.S. is not as bad or worse than China, but we are headed in that direction. No sense in making things worse than they are. Let's try for an improvement instead.

Incidentally, communism, as postulated by Marx and Engels, ideally has no central government. The government, after the transition stage, fades away as superfluous.

[-] 0 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

Capitalism is pretty cool too in theory. Actually, if we stick to theory only, most systems look pretty good. It's when they get put into practice that they get messed up.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Capitalism is basically unstable moving from one crisis to another--supply and demand macrocosmically.


[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

With regard to "Freedom in china continues to improve while freedom in America continues to dcline" - who's fault do you think that is? Maybe just maybe it's the whiners in America who want the government to do everything for them including controlling how much sugar they ingest.

I can understand why, do you?

[-] -1 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

At some point Chinese citizens will have more freedom than American citizens if the current trends continue. That is what Arturo is seeing

That's a long long way down the road.

It seems like dogs are also getting smarter as they evolve. If the trend continues, dogs will be as smart as humans one day.


[-] 0 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

To reach a state where we can talk of individual freedom, there totalitarian regime must first fall. If there's one party and it can't be removed by the people through voting, then you can't start talking about freedoms. There's also the huge problem of Internet censorship. You talk of freedoms increasing, but the government seems to be doing the exact opposite in terms of censorship of the Internet. The so-called "Golden Firewall" was finished not too long ago.

Yes, Iv'e been to China. There are many other Asian countries I proper however. Like everyone else.


[-] 0 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

... the Chinese people don't need to have more internet freedom than we had back in 1998... they only need to have more freedom than we will have in 2028 to pass us

People should aim to be as free as possible, not to be freer than some other country by an arbitrary date like 2028.

A popular vote in China is impossible due to the agricultural practices around the country. No matter when an election is held it would be during a planting or harvest season of somewhere in China

That must be the stupidest excuse to keep democracy out of the equation.


[-] 0 points by sirtruthhurtsalot (7) 2 years ago

I think both America and China suck. That's why I wouldn't consider China a model for America, or America a model for China. I think they both should look at other countries for models. Perhaps Sweden, Norway, Canada, or the like. I certainly wouldn't want to live in either China nor America. God no!

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

I think arturo would make a killing if he had a bridge to sell you