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Forum Post: Should their be a Leader to this Movement?

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 7:40 p.m. EST by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ
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I believe this movement is awesome, finally people are realizing in this country that capitalism and the free market are not the only solutions to all our problems. However without a leader this could dissolve and die out quickly and can be a one hit wonder sort of deal. Personally Micheal Moore immediately comes to mind. Or Bill Maher, Cornell West, Oliver Stone who? definitely not Ron Paul. Ron Pauls beliefs are contrary to this movement. He is Pro Walls Street, he is a racist,elitist, and fails to realize that the problem we have is to little government. Hence less opportunities like education and other reforms to help us be efficient laborers in our economy. I think this post needs to be taken seriously, without a leader there would have been no civil rights movement, no end of apartheid, and no independence of India to the rest of Africa. So please place what you think or who you feel should be a leader to organize this movement.

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[-] 3 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 2 years ago

The second you guys assign a leader. S/He'll be shred to pieces by the media.

[-] 2 points by ParsonsRocket (5) 2 years ago

We are all leaders we are the 99%

[-] 1 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

yes but there needs to be an organized and concerted effort. We need representatives from states cities and countries. I want to be active in my own major city but don't know how. We need recruiters to educate and get more people active all over to make this movement huge. Because if I am a representative of a district in lets say in California and there are 6 million people in it. Lets say .50,000 come to protest, I am prolly going to say screw these people, they barley make 1% of the population. But if its like the civil rights movement where 1 million are marching then they are going to do something.

[-] 2 points by DrSeuss (2) from Seattle, WA 2 years ago

I have no doubt this movement exceeds that of the Tea Party; however, the Tea Party's success lies in the fact that it was conceived by politicians - people with organization, resources and leadership - the 1%. The 99% will need some leadership, organization and resources to have a significant, meaningful impact. Anything less, I fear, will become anarchy.

[-] 0 points by irishone56 (2) 2 years ago

The Tea Party was NOT formed by politicians, if you think so give me proof

[-] 2 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

I think that Cornell West would be awesome!!

[-] 1 points by michaelbravo (222) 2 years ago

OCCUPY VIDEO called HOPE ..Humans On Planet Earth...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrDLwSgg24

[-] 1 points by newfreedomagent (4) from Oceanside, CA 2 years ago

This movement is awesome! This is what I've been hoping for and waiting for. Now it's just a matter of time before the person to lead this movement steps forward. It will become clear to all. This person will have no alliance to any big company. This person needs to be a nobody whom is on the verge of becoming somebody.

[-] 1 points by newfreedomagent (4) from Oceanside, CA 2 years ago

This movement is awesome! This is what I've been hoping for and waiting for. Now it's just a matter of time before the person to lead this movement steps forward. It will become clear to all. This person will have no alliance to any big company. This person needs to be a nobody whom is on the verge of becoming somebody.

[-] 1 points by newfreedomagent (4) from Oceanside, CA 2 years ago

This movement is awesome! This is what I've been hoping for and waiting for. Now it's just a matter of time before the person to lead this movement steps forward. It will become clear to all. This person will have no alliance to any big company. This person needs to be a nobody whom is on the verge of becoming somebody.

[-] 1 points by newfreedomagent (4) from Oceanside, CA 2 years ago

This movement is awesome! This is what I've been hoping for and waiting for. Now it's just a matter of time before the person to lead this movement steps forward. It will become clear to all. This person will have no alliance to any big company. This person needs to be a nobody whom is on the verge of becoming somebody.

[-] 1 points by changethevote (4) 2 years ago

Two people who come to mind who would be credible political leaders are Howard Schultz and believe it or not Leonardo Dicaprio. Both are very influencial amongst the elite, Both are very political, both have come from poverty in their childhood, and both have tremendous pull and recongition worldwide.

[-] 1 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

shultz seems legit, except for his over priced coffee.

[-] 1 points by changethevote (4) 2 years ago

Schultz is smart, driven, and understands both sides which is vital in a leader for this cause. He came from the poor parts of Brooklyn and sympathizes with the cause.

[-] 1 points by changethevote (4) 2 years ago

The movement needs a message and a leader or it will die off from disorganization and from no clear massage or goals.

[-] 1 points by insidervoice (21) 2 years ago

OWS does not need a leader per se, but it does need a coherent message and spokespeople. I think right now their are thousands of protestors thinking that they are protesting the same injustices and problems, but among those protestors are divergent opinions regarding what causes these injustices and problems and what are the solutions. That cannot persist or the message has no credibility.

[-] 1 points by yollomnosylla (1) from Williamstown, VIC 2 years ago

Baby steps, man. Electing a leader presents potential for a repeat of the attitude that got us into this mess. Nobody knows exactly what we want to happen as yet, and with so many people with so many good points and ideas, we need to ensure that everybody is heard and that we know what we want before we go assigning ranks. Let us not fall into that trap. I'm 18 years old, and from Melbourne, Australia, and I don't know if you guys are aware of this or not, but there are masses of people rallying in our city, in our Central Business District, and also in New South Wales, as a show of support for the American movements and those of countries all over the world. I can't tell you how appreciative I am that this is happening, and also that it was you who began it. Our country is sent images of a greedy America, full of dumb, overfed rednecks - huge, ignorant generalisations - and told to agree. I'm eternally grateful that you're breaking the mould, and casting a new one. I have been watching videos of you guys on YouTube and have seen pictures all over the internet. You have such a solid thing going, and you must keep it up. I was genuinely disturbed by the footage I found of the treatment of protesters by police, but overjoyed by the fact that there was an ever-growing amount of such footage swimming around and that subsequently, theirs will come. It's about time this was properly exposed. Please don't get ahead of yourselves, don't go trying to decide what laws you'll pass when you win, don't try and assign a leader, and don't use force, of any kind. You're doing an awesome job, just keep doing what you're doing, you can fine-tune your cause when you are sure you have made a difference. Also, to the one who calls him/herself 'DrSuess', if we've already outdone the Tea Party rallies, why do we need governing to have the same effect? Surely anarchy could only come about by the hand of the Man, or if we lost sight of our cause? I think we'd probably lose it a bit if we appointed someone to represent the 99%, as we're here for more than one reason, one person can't possibly argue all of them at once, and as many of the flock feel much the same as I do on this matter, we can't afford to argue amongst ourselves.

[-] 1 points by Dude240 (1) from Columbia, MD 2 years ago

If we agree in no anarchy, leaders are needed. Two words: shadow government.

[-] 1 points by Tess (12) 2 years ago

Not so much a leader, but maybe it would be an idea to think about a couple of speakers and a few organizers. People that are qualified to speak for everyone. I think it is something to think about. At least the movement is causing a good discussion around the US. Everyone is not going to agree on exactly the same things or their order of importance.

[-] 1 points by Tess (12) 2 years ago

Not so much a leader, but maybe it would be an idea to think about a couple of speakers and a few organizers. People that are qualified to speak for everyone. I think it is something to think about. At least the movement is causing a good discussion around the US. Everyone is not going to agree on exactly the same things or their order of importance.

[-] 1 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

totally agree, or maybe a council. At the end of the day this needs to be more organized, here I am in phoenix Arizona, and I can't put money where my mouth is be being active and getting out there. We need someone to be like "protest in phoenix at this time or that."

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Depends on the leader however that leader must be replaceable if that leader starts to abuse power. Leaderless is ok for this movement.

[-] 1 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

definitely if you act the fool you are gone

[-] 1 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

Stay leaderless.

This is a people's movement and the people should remain in charge. It's up to us to make sure this continues to gain momentum.

[-] 1 points by irishone56 (2) 2 years ago

Yep Anarchy is a great thing!

[-] 1 points by parkerjwill (1) 2 years ago

Yes, stay leaderless.

[-] 1 points by Shazam (54) 2 years ago

I like that it doesn't. You are reading history backwards and expect leaders. Name a leader and watch them turn off a good number of people right away.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Exactly. Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:

http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures

Join

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.

Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.

Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.

Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.

The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.

Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.

So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.

[-] 1 points by MacB (1) from Clearwater, FL 2 years ago

Yes....Bob Dylan/Arlo Guthrie 2012

[-] 1 points by JohnTM (25) 2 years ago

I agree. They can sing until the crooks have had enough and walk into jail by themselves!

[-] 1 points by MeAndWeThePeople (59) from Chicago, IL 2 years ago

How about a fictional leader like cartoon character Captain America. You can't dig up any dirt on Captain America and he can't be bought.

[-] 0 points by number2 (914) 2 years ago

99% of the people won't support this

[-] 0 points by JohnTM (25) 2 years ago

I vote for Michael Moore. Someone said he makes $50M per picture and would not give you $100,000 to help the poor. This is crazy. Who cares what a leader earns ( not steals), I think he earned his money. He was the first person I heard about who had the courage and the talent to confront a real stealer - General Motors

[-] 0 points by irishone56 (2) 2 years ago

This movement is for Obamas bebefit, right out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. No original thoughts here. Every time I see the protesters they are parroting back what someone else is telling them to say. ZOMBIES

[-] 0 points by irishone56 (2) 2 years ago

Its not about capitolism stupid, its CRONIE CAPITOLISM!!! If not for capitolism America would never have once been great!

[-] 1 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

I agree, but common sense should tell you laissez-faire allows human instinct to become to wild. We need regulation to protect us from cronies. And human rights ought to be protected as well.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

If you think Michael Moore is an appropriate leader for OWS, then perhaps more people should weigh in on this decision. There are too many people preaching too many things for there to be one leader. From the platforms and stands that I have read, I have seen no reason to change my plans on voting Tea Party. Big government has been the norm for many decades. Depending on your political beliefs, America has survived Carter and Bush. I am certainly open to giving a Tea Party candidate a 4 year experiment.

[-] 2 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

Well if there is to many different voices perhaps there should be a council of some sort. I would be leery of a tea party candidate given big donors and interest to these figures such as the Koch brothers given their interest as the 1%. Even though big government has been the norm is some fashion, we have to understand our frustration with wall st. Which is they are taking government money as well as having no sort of regulation or enforcement to make sure at the end of the day, that the investments they make in whatever industries will create jobs and benefit society. However I think maybe ron paul would do, I would prefer non politicians, maybe whoever started this site. But we need some guidance so we can know where to protest, who has a permit, so we can make this larger.

[-] 1 points by irishone56 (2) 2 years ago

Michael Moore makes 50 million dollars a movie, this makes him a CAPITOLIST. I dont see him giving 100,000 to a bunch of poor people and helping out those less fortunate. Hypocrit!!!!

[-] -1 points by uslynx81 (203) 2 years ago

Not at all. Wow. Although he sees the problems we are having he has the wrong ideas on what to do to fix them. Ron Paul would be the only one that would fit. People don't realize that right now and I fear it will be to late when they do. Please do your research before posting negative unfounded reply's.

[-] 0 points by AmericanRedWhiteBlue (126) 2 years ago

A Cornel West / Jesse Ventura Tag Team would scare the crap out of the 1% (Both Support the OccupyWallstreet Movement):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQ42KS8v9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0

[-] 0 points by CuttheBS (143) 2 years ago

So your solution is a big government? You want a select people in charge of more things in your life? Suppose you don't agree with what your newly elected government. Then what? Another protest?

[-] 2 points by kamoako (52) from Litchfield Park, AZ 2 years ago

Frankly speaking I would say if big government is what we need in a certain area the let it be, if small government then let it be, however you need to realize that Wall street, and its corporate infrastructure interests is not for you. As inefficient government can be its interest is to improve society with support and allegiance as an incentive. So yes I would trust a larger government or regulation in quite a few instances.

[-] 2 points by AmericanRedWhiteBlue (126) 2 years ago

You're for the mass exploitation of 3rd world laborers and the "Slashing-and-Burning" of our manufacturing sector in the name of "Free Trade"?

You're for Corporate BAILOUTS but regular, good Americans having to "Pick themselves up by their own bootstraps"?

You're for the destruction of opportunity of future generations of Americans so the Corporate Oligarchies can (disgustingly) continue to (metaphorically) slurp the dignity and life out of the average American---in the name of profits?

It's WE THE PEOPLE, not we the corporations. You and the corrupt politicians need to remember that.

We need to have a right-sized government that supports the foundational tenant that all Americans deserve the OPPORTUNITY to better themselves.

We the 99% will decide what the "Right-Size" is, not the corporate oligarchs and corrupt political shills (remember that democracy thing.)

[-] 1 points by CuttheBS (143) 2 years ago

I dont think I said any of that, but thanks for assuming.

[-] 1 points by AmericanRedWhiteBlue (126) 2 years ago

Who assumed? I simply asked a series of pointed questions. I didn't say my solution was big government, either.

On a side note---If you want to learn something, check out the following:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064665078176641728