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Forum Post: Shocking Fracking Issues

Posted 1 year ago on May 24, 2012, 2 a.m. EST by Nevada1 (4024)
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[-] 3 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

Yet ALEC and it's fracking donors are still making headway in Ohio.

http://www.nationofchange.org/alec-slips-exxon-fracking-loopholes-new-ohio-law-1338539750

No need to know what might end up in your drinking water, after all ALEC backs the bottled water corporations too............:)

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Imagine that - creating a need for another of their investments?

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

The struggle continues.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), an online activist group, announced that they will be putting pressure on the minority of Democrats who are members of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to dump ALEC.

[-] -1 points by monticello (-28) 1 year ago

"The total number of Democratic legislators is unknown, but according to the PCCC, there are 26 states with Democratic lawmakers that belong to ALEC."

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/04/11474/pccc-pressures-democratic-members-drop-alec

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Trashy?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I guess my question could be interpreted rather fairly that way.

So - are you trashy troll?

[+] -4 points by monticello (-28) 1 year ago

You and your posts mean nothing, DKAtoday.

The courage of protesters like these means everything:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/more-tibetans-are-setting-themselves-ablaze-in-des/

Please stop polluting their space: In all venues and at all levels.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey if you are feeling humbled and awed by a nasty act of desperation driven suicide.

You shouldn't you should be horrified that that is what someone felt they needed to do to be noticed and to make a point.

Don't want to ever see that happen here over American governmental failures. You shouldn't either.

You are a sad individual IronButt.

[-] -3 points by monticello (-28) 1 year ago

You and your sad, dig-me posts here mean nothing, DKAtoday.

The courage of protesters like these means everything:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/more-tibetans-are-setting-themselves-ablaze-in-des/

Please stop polluting their space: In all venues and at all levels.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You revel in their suicidal desperation don't you you sick bastard.

[-] -3 points by monticello (-28) 1 year ago

There is a difference between suicide and supreme sacrifice that spineless weasels like you will never, ever understand, DKAtoday...

You and your sad, dig-me posts here mean nothing. The courage of protesters like these means everything:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/more-tibetans-are-setting-themselves-ablaze-in-des/

Please stop polluting their space: In all venues and at all levels.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

IronButt do you think I am popular? Or do you throw that out there because you want people to think I am a narcissist.

See you always go on a personal attack when you have nothing.

Which means you toss out a line of BS and you hope it will go unnoticed unremarked as you have nothing to support it - then when someone does refute your BS you start trying to throw mud.

You are a pathetic businessman if this is your business.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Your so full of shit you are afraid to walk near a garden or a farmers field for fear you will be spread across them as fertilizer. Lucky for the garden and the field that you are not spread on them as you are toxic.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Awesome link Nevada1 : http://nofracking.com/

Thank you so much for staying right on top of this issue.

In furtherance of understanding and awareness let me share :

Politics has nothing to do with the attackers agenda. It is an excuse a story. No one is happy with government right now.

OH - OOps

The greedy corrupt white collar criminals are.

Aside from them and their blind marching supporters.

No one is happy with government.

The attackers on this site are trying to stop unity in common cause.

Common Cause? Some might ask?

OSTA

End Corporate personhood.

Money out of politics.

Vote out anti Constitution/anti people politicians.

End subsidies for fossil fuel.

Regulate WallStreet.

Regulate fossil fuel speculation.

Ban fracking.

Prosecute the white collar economic criminals.

Make Health care universal and not for profit.

Invest in and implement green energy.

etc.

etc.

etc.

The discredit attacks are about issues like these that we support and push forward.

Period.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Excellent Post

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes I hope many will take the time to explore the link you provided.

Excellent job.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (17975) 1 year ago

Consider the extraction of shale oil and gas, widely considered the most crucial aspect of Big Oil’s current push back into the North American market. Shale formations in Canada and the U.S. are believed to house massive quantities of oil and natural gas, and their accelerated extraction is already helping reduce the region’s reliance on imported petroleum.

Both energy sources, however, can only be extracted through a process known as hydraulic fracturing (“hydro-fracking,” or just plain “fracking”) that uses powerful jets of water in massive quantities to shatter underground shale formations, creating fissures through which the hydrocarbons can escape. In addition, to widen these fissures and ease the escape of the oil and gas they hold, the fracking water has to be mixed with a variety of often poisonous solvents and acids. This technique produces massive quantities of toxic wastewater, which can neither be returned to the environment without endangering drinking water supplies nor easily stored and decontaminated.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 4 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

On average 7 million gallons of waste water per fracking well.... water that gets reinjected below ground to another level for disposal.

Often times aquifers are interconnected in ways that aren't obvious to hydrogeologists, especially if you are in a fractured rock system. No one has an x-ray of the ground they can look at that gives all of the available pathways for fluids and gases.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi geo,

Thank you for this post. Missed it last month.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

Your welcome. No problem...

[-] 4 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

One point that you missed which isn't in dispute is that large, very large quantities of methane are allowed to escape. They are drilling close to houses and schools and businesses which is a serious local problem, but it is also a significant global problem as well. The industry is fighting regulation the escaping gas in every way possible. I live among them. The highest pressure the well will ever experience is immediately after fracking, so failing to to cap them effectively for days, weeks or longer wastes huge amounts of gas as well as polluting on a major scale.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

Nothing good can come from this!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

One would think that wasting valuable product would cause them to aggressively secure it But I developed an Internet-based monitoring service for the wells and pipelines in this industry and got an insiders view of it. It has been and continues to be very sloppy, first and, arrogant second, and greedy, third.

If there is gold on the ground, people won't pick up silver.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 1 year ago

yeah I saw some documentary that covered this particular waste, and the danger it represents. Possible explosion, and certainly additional global warming.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17975) 1 year ago

@ bsge : Thank you for your crucial point. pax ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi brightonsage, Good point. Best Regards

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Thanks, I developed Internet based monitoring systems that measured a lot of these parameters in the Jonah field in Pinedale, Wyoming where this gas well fracking all started.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Thank you for sharing your experience.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

you're welc.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good Post

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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fuck Profits Over People. WTF is wrong with this world?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Agree. New York to protest Spectra pipe and fracking.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi shooz, Thank you for good post. Bless those citizens fighting back. All this destruction and misery, for money.

[-] 3 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

No problem at all my friend. As much as the trolls ignore fracking, OWS really doesn't.

It either needs to end, or the corporations involved need to take FULL responsibility.

no more bullshit.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Well Said

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Governor Cuomo should be making decision soon, regarding fracking in NY.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

May the public pressure him to act sanely and ban fracking.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tell Governor Cuomo: Don't frack New York!

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=iahDxtPirm07eXIL3Tcu9TG2FBoG%2BWXq

Last week, Joseph Martens, head of the Department of Environmental Conservation, the agency in charge or approving, regulating or banning hydrofracking in New York, said that he has seen nothing to suggest that fracking should be banned.[1]

You've got to be kidding me. We've seen plenty of reasons. How about explosions at processing sites in Pennsylvania and Texas?[2] What about the EPA's admission that fracking likely poisoned drinking water wells in Wyoming?[3] Or the transport truck that crashed, spilling fracking chemicals into a local stream in Colorado?[4]

If you don't think those are reasons to ban fracking, you're not paying attention. By downplaying or ignoring the risks, could the DEC be opening the door to allowing fracking to start soon?

Governor Cuomo has said he wants a comprehensive review of the fracking process. The DEC cannot ignore the negative evidence to push permits through. After a full review, the DEC will see plenty of reasons to ban fracking.

Sign our petition to Governor Cuomo, asking him to ensure the DEC's fracking review is complete and open.

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=dt2Kgkp7Ad9l45gOmeBdTjG2FBoG%2BWXq

Martens says that DEC regulations will put a buffer between drilling and New York City's water supply. But the recent truck crash in Colorado shows how useless such a buffer would be. If fracking starts in New York, thousands of trucks will jam our roads. It'll only be a matter of time before one crashes, spilling chemicals into NYC's watershed. That could be disastrous -- even tiny concentrations of fracking chemicals can have serious health effects.[5]

But from Martens' standpoint, the health of millions of New Yorkers, living in the City and throughout the Southern Tier and Central New York -- across the whole state, really -- isn't a big enough concern to ban fracking.

Landowners who leased their land to the gas companies are taking matters into their own hands. Hundreds of them are trying to get out of their leases -- signed before the truth about fracking became well known. The five-year leases, signed as many as seven years ago, have been unilaterally extended because the gas companies claim the state's moratorium -- designed to keep people safe -- is like an "act of God" that has kept them from drilling.[6]

It's clear the gas companies will do everything in their power to take advantage of New York. They'll drill first and ask questions later. The DEC shouldn't let them.

Tell Governor Cuomo to make sure Commissioner Martens conducts a full and comprehensive review of the environmental risks and the public comments. Then, after a full review, banning the process will be the only possible course.

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=4PGZK%2B3xoclbTcJtFR9w5TG2FBoG%2BWXq

http://action.workingfamiliesparty.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6100

Thanks,

-Joe Dinkin, WFP

Sources: 1. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-23/fracking-boom-seen-slow-to-develop-in-new-york-regulator-says

  1. http://independentweekender.com/index.php/2012/04/05/explosion-rocks-natural-gas-compressor-station/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47447581/ns/us_news-environment/t/two-workers-hurt-blast-texas-fracking-tank-site-sheriff/#.T8UCRMX4LqA

  2. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203501304577086472373346232.html

  3. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31096926/detail.html

  4. http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20120321/endocrine-disrupting-chemicals-fracking-natural-gas-low-dose-environmental-health

  5. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303674004577432520394905232.html

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good work DKA. Good petition, and a lot of helpful links.

So much reason to not allow fracking, but so much denial. Hoping Governor Cuomo, has the nuts to protect NY.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Did you know that there is an exemption for hydraulic fracturing written into the Safe Drinking Water Act? The procedure commonly known as "fracking" involves the injection of a variety of toxic chemicals into the ground in order to fracture underground shale and extract natural gas. These toxic chemicals can enter an area's underground drinking water supply or later be dumped as wastewater into America's rivers. H.R. 1084 would require the contents of fracking fluids to be publicly disclosed as needed to protect the public health, just as with other toxic discharges. - Dennis Kucinich

To repeal the exemption for hydraulic fracturing in the Safe Drinking Water Act. - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1084:

I'm trying to look into this a little more. From what it looks like not much has been done on this issue since 3/21/2011 where it was referred to a committee. - "Latest Major Action: 3/21/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Environment and the Economy."

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Trevor, Again, time to pressure our Reps. Need to get 1084 to the floor. Meanwhile, frackers are fracking away like mad.

Hopping Cuomo has the nuts, to say no to fracking. A critical time.

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Sadly my reps are Lee Terry, who pretty much works for Transcanada and the oil and gas companies... and my senator is a republican version of a democrat and has an identical voting record with Lee Terry.

But that doesn't stop me from writing and calling their offices with suggestions on how to not ruin the country.

I've been asking his office to justify Lee Terry's vote for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act for over 3 months and why he hasn't done anything to reverse the problematic legislation. I've even gone into his office. I plan on going to one of his early morning meet and greets and asking him personally the next time he has one that doesn't conflict with my work schedule.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Trevor, Have similar problems with reps on various issues. Yes, best to just keep up the pressure, so they know we are aware of the issues, and that we are watching them. Best Regards

[-] 2 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 1 year ago

,and make sure to make others aware of the issue.

A frightening number of people I talk to have no idea what fracking is.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi forjustice, Yes, you right. We must educate. A hudge amount of fracking has been done, with minimal awareness. The mainstream media will drown us with worthless nothings, but little said about the extreme dangers of fracking.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi shooz, Good catch.

Just thinking about something. The places fracked, will be "Sacrifice Zones".

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - unlivable - unless by imported water - for drinking and cleaning - irrigating for crops with imported water would be out in some cases due to poisoned soil.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

Now that we have a (R)epelican't governor here in Michigan, they're talking about fracking under the Great Lakes again.

Wouldn't that be wonderful?

As if they haven't fucked them up enough already.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Oh My God!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Take your life in your hands to cause a spark near the lake - set the whole thing on fire - advisory from the weather center as prevailing wind is coming in from over the water personal air supply is recommended - all activity is prohibited until after the wind shifts for a couple of hours so that an accidental spark does not burn us all to death....continuing... it will be sunny and hot all day....you are prohibited from turning on your AC as a spark could burn us all to death.....in sports the game will be delayed today ..............

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Extensive portion of US to be written off as a 'Sacrifice Zone', while the elite buy an island somewhere.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They arrive at their island destination and settle in - oops they forgot - the ice is melting - they sit and watch as their island shrinks - did they remember to pack their floaties?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

It could backfire on them, as they are also talking about fracking under inland lakes in Oakland county, the richest in Michigan. There's lots and lots of lakes, big and small. Rich folks like to buy them up, to drive up property value and keep the riff raff out. When those get poisoned, there will be hell to pay.

When it's their lake house that loses value? They will be hiring lawyers.

I just hope we the tax payers don't wind up paying for the cleanup once again.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH - Hell - of course the tax payer will get the tab - this government of ours apparently does not understand the concepts of responsibility and accountability. Fuck the victim not the criminal. Assholes.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the tax payers are the rich mostly

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Now now - it's not time for bedtime stories.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

they have most of the money

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah - but that does not mean they pay the most taxes.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

actually it does

that is how great the income and wealth disparity is

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Not - yet - there are still some workin folks and they are paying up the wazoo compared to what the wealthy pay. Though when everyone is unemployed because the wealthy have finaly tanked - and realy tanked the system - they will be the only ones with money - Huh - funny thought - at that point in time - will their ILL gotten gains be worth anything?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

He's correct, you know.

The difference is, most of us wouldn't mind making more money and paying more taxes because of it.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I'd prefer taxed paid government clean ups

as those taxes should come from those that can pay

[-] 3 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

I'd prefer they didn't frack under the lakes.

No clean up to pay for that way.

If even one of those lakes the hoity toity own becomes a "sacrifice zone" there will be hell to pay.

The irony would be if they made their money off of energy stocks.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

Here's a report on all the contaminated water involved in fraking and drilling.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-can-we-cope-with-the-dirty-water-from-fracking-for-natural-gas-and-oil

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Thank you for link shooz. We are a long way from seeing safe fracking practices (if ever). Meanwhile, fracking goes on as fast as they can do it, with extreme and unfixable damage being done.

The blog below the article by steve926 went like this: Pipe the fracking water to the homes of the frackers, so they can drink and wash in it. The pipe line work for this would result in lots of jobs. LOL.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26677) 1 year ago

Thanks Nevada.......:)

Somehow or another this kind of thing makes me a plant to certain individuals, but I'll keep posting them as I find them...........:).

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good deal. Keep it coming.

The corrupt greedy blind marching supporters of the status-quo have nothing so they try to discredit however they can. Baseless attacks are their bread and butter. Look at Mittens blaming the Obama for the results of the Shrub administration.

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