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Forum Post: Secret is out. Fruit and vegetables have labels that exposes GMO. 5 digit codes starting with 8 ARE FRANKENFOOD

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 12, 2012, 6:02 a.m. EST by jomojo (562)
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I know that Organic is more expensive, but at least it's not from Monsanto, DuPont, Dow, Bayer or a biotec farmer.

Maybe our universities will stop helping develop the science food monsters.



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[-] 3 points by JPB950 (2254) 12 years ago

I don't see a problem with genetically altered food, we've been altering our crops in one way or another for centuries. Greater experimentation with modified crops my be a necessity for the future.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

The problem is the safety. I don't think it is. I think GMOs should be marketed so that doctors can trace their patients' diet. Their safety is being tested by the company that sells it. FDA pretty much rubber stamps the paperwork. Farmers will lose markets to countries, (and USA consumers), that won't buy it. There's not much "made in USA" left. Chemical companies have a bad legacy when it comes to pesticides, food, additives, and farm products.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 12 years ago

I'm ok with that, as populations continue to grow we'll need more food. Right now we have no indication that genetically modified food is harmful, we only have fears, so test more.

[-] 1 points by bethlany88 (134) from Vancouver, WA 12 years ago

Test it out on the American people and their children against their own will and knowledge? I think not! This is America, we should have the RIGHT to know what we are putting in our bodies. If some want to eat it, until they find out for SURE if its safe, than by all means EAT UP! But I for one dont want to put the GMO's in mine and my childrens bodies until we TRULY DO know the longterm effects of GMO foods, this is why most other countries either have banned GMO's or Require labeling of GMO. They laugh at us and say "Lets wait and see how Americas kids look in 20 yrs and then we will go easy on the GMO industry." Nice!

[-] 2 points by philosophersstoned (233) from Gypsum, CO 12 years ago

number 1 in the hood, G

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

well, you can always grow your own

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

That's the best way. It's good a few non GMO seed companies are left.

Here's hoping my neighbors GMO crops don't pollinate my garden. I probably won't plant corn for example.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

I know, also if you save the seeds you can develope your own breeds, and save money on seeds.

We've done this with our peppers, lettuce, beans, onions, radishes, and merigolds.

It works out well, and the kids think it's fun.

Not to mention the fact that when you grow your own foods, it looks like allergies decrease( with my kids they have none, yet almost a 1/3 of their classmates do, along with a few cousins)

Now if I can only get around planting someone elses seed potatoes....

[-] 2 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

I hope that people will put the youtube on their facebook and twitter pages. Until lately I didn't think there was any way to identify GMO veggies.

Now if all the processed, frozen, and fast food stuff could be identified, we might get this industry to stop force feeding it to our families.

[-] 1 points by sethsalgo (1) from East Orange, NJ 12 years ago

What is wrong with "science food"? Yes, chemical additives in food are bad. Duh. But you bio-purists make me sick. Fucking yuppies, go out and buy your $500 a pound fruit. If you're so upset, just grow it yourself. As one of the previous commentators noted, we have been breeding food/animals for thousands of years. How is GMO any different? Learn the facts. Ignorance breeds fear. We're just getting better at farming. Not to mention the fact that using the OWS forums to talk about GMO just proves to our detractors what a bunch of stupid whole foods hippies we are.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

It doesn't take much research, to see that genetically engineered food can produce some weird stuff, such as edible pesticide. YUM. Some conventional breeding has had failure also. I wonder what doctors, and biochemists buy for their families to eat.


[-] 1 points by wiernser (4) 12 years ago

Thanks for sharing!!!

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

Thank you!

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

There's a new "healthier" GMO oil coming. It's safe, I know because DuPont submitted to the FDA their scientific, blind study, safety test, by feeding it to mice. Results?

All five are still alive.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

Farmers have used Bt-toxin from soil bacteria as a natural pesticide for years. But they spray it on plants, where it washes off and biodegrades in sunlight. The GM version is built-in; every plant cell has its own spray bottle. The toxin doesn't wash off; it's consumed. Furthermore, the plant-produced version of the poison is thousands of times more concentrated than the spray; is designed to be even more toxic; and has properties of known allergens—it actually fails the World Health Organization's allergen screening tests.

The biotech companies ignore the substantial difference between the GM toxin and the natural bacteria version, and boldly claim that since the natural spray has a history of safe use in agriculture, it's therefore OK to put the poison directly into our food. But even this claim of safe use of Bt spray ignores peer-reviewed studies showing just the opposite.

When natural Bt-toxin was fed to mice, they had tissue damage, immune responses as powerful as cholera toxin, and even started reacting to other foods that were formerly harmless. Farm workers exposed to Bt also showed immune responses.vii The EPA's own expert Scientific Advisory Panel said that these mouse and farm worker studies "suggest that Bt proteins could act as antigenic and allergenic sources." But the EPA ignored the warnings. They also overlooked studiesix showing that about 500 people in Washington state and Vancouver showed allergic and flu-like symptoms when they were exposed to the spray when it was used to kill gypsy moths.


[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

Dangerous Toxins From Genetically Modified Corn Found in Blood of Women and Fetuses


[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

this video is crap of course. but yes, all products has to be labeled as "GMO" or "without GMO". America usually test new regulations in single state or province. they don want to do that because of big corporations like Monsanto and possible damage for business.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

My consumer experience is that the FDA ruling is that GMO food DOES NOT require labeling of any kind. The numbering system ....I was shocked that it identified GMO fresh produce. I'm hoping the "news" that shoppers can choose will help the farmers who are not planting Genetically Modified Organisms. The SHAME is that GMO seed companies don't mind if they contaminate those farmers' crops and destroy these nonconformists. (competitive farmers)

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Update: More on Soy, someone posted that founders of www.soyonlineservice.co.nz were killed and site is gone forever. I don't know if this is true or not and I have to go offline now. If anyone knows differently than what is posted below here please share:


April 4, 2011 8:43 PM

Anonymous said... To update this, Soy Online Service is gone, and Richard and Valerie James were both killed at the same time, but I have yet to find out how. It's endlessly fascinating to hear people defend soy using exactly the crap they've been spoon fed by the soy industry over the past 100 years, but especially since the 1980s, with much thanks to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, whose founding funding came from Rockefeller and RJ Reynolds grants. First they convinced vegetarians soy was a healthy protein source, and then once accepted, had no trouble slipping it into the rest of the food supply, along with endless amounts of propaganda from those they pay, and brainwashed vegetarians. I'm not saying you should eat meat, just eat hemp protein instead. It's ever so much healthier. And yes they probably are eating a lot more soy in Asia these days, thanks to the same folks giving it to us. But it has no tradition in their diet at these levels or the current forms. "Soy milk" was invented by a Seventh-Day Adventist doctor/missionary. In reality, the only people in China who ever ate what's actually soybean broth were the elderly, and then with some shrimp or other meat in it. The best information on the history of soy use can be found via the last link below. This man loves soy and is well respected by the industry. And try as he does, he only proves how the soy industry managed to get it onto our plates. He also explains that the history of soy use in China emanates from the Rockefeller Foundation (see #70). The second link is to some excellent true information on soy. But the first link leads to why Americans are so sick, and very much includes information on how soy screws with your thyroid. And to those of you who remain unconvinced, go look up the Semmelweis Reflex.



http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/history.php http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/history.php October 6, 2011 4:39 PM

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

The first time I saw a soybean field, I was told it took less days til harvest than cotton. It was planted when the muddier fields didn't allow cotton planting early enough. They baled it like hay and fed their cows with it.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Wow. Are you involved in agriculture professionally? Sadly most modern livestock is fattened up/cheaply fed with soy filled feeds and naturally that raises the estrogens in their tissues.

Thanks for sharing the info. on the growth habits of commercial soy.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

I liked soybeans, since I didn't have to pick it. No I've never made any money farming since.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Me too, I used to love eating soy meat substitutes and cooking with tofu. I even learned how to and made my own tofu a few times for the fun of it.

Well, remember the saying 'Variety is the spice of life?' I think by varying our diets (since my heritage is Mediterranean/Italian) we are able to create better nutritional balance, after all, plants, every single one of them has phytotoxins, those substances that are the plants defense against being eaten and I think by eating a broad variety of foods the nutritional and enzyme/bacterial flora components(enzymes and flora if eating raw) provides the 'stuff' that our bodies use to accommodate natural and yes, even man made toxins.

PS: I've read alot about these things on my own and just as an example, when a friend suffered from acid stomach/ulcers I told him to simply chop up a cup or so of cabbage every day 2 times per day and eat it as a salad along with whatever tomatoes etc. he likes to put in a salad even mixing it up with other lettuces-within a month or so the years of his painful symptoms dissappeared since what he needed was the nutrition and flora naturally occurring on and in the raw shredded cabbage leaves (I'm sure other lettuces carry similar things since they're in the same family but we all know that sauerkraut and kimchee are fermented foods that nobody I know of has used lettuces to make since ithey probably do not carry as high a percentage of the flora that cabbages do.)

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Ever wonder about Soy? When I was diagnosed with low thyroid I thought it was very odd simply because nobody in my family ever suffered with low thyroid and I thought to myself that none ever ate soy foods in the form of the meat substitutes I used for several years (about 5 yrs. since all kinds of cool soy foods like soy hotdogs, soy coldcuts etc. were available in the 1990's) for the convenience since they had a great shelf life in my refrigerator plus hotdogs and coldcuts were something that I would normally seldom purchase due to nitrates and nitrites.

My suspicions were confirmed about Soy when I keyed in 'Soy thyroid' on google and was drawn to www.soyonlineservice.co.nz (site down as of this writing) try: http://panacea-bocaf.org/soyonlineservice.htm and got smart about Soy.

Oh yeah, I even did a personal experiment about 3 months after diagnosis, taking the replacement hormone levothyroxine and ditching the soy products from my refrigerator I bought tofu and stir fried it up and ate a recommended serving size-within 2 hours I began to have some of the same low thyroid symptoms that I had prior to diagnosis and treatment. Just to be sure, I tried similar experiments by choosing to eat 1 time per week over a one month period 4 separate soy based meals: a Boca Burger, a Soy Hot Dog, a Soy Cold Cuts sandwich and with one of the meals a 1 cup measure of Soy milk at a friend's house with the result that each time the SAME low thyroid symptoms came back.

So, for all reading if and when you visit www.soyonlineservice.co.nz (site down as of this writing ) try: http://panacea-bocaf.org/soyonlineservice.htm you'll learn plenty about this goitrogenic food stuff that makes a great cheap food filler to fatten company profits at the expense of long term health of consumers. Also, the site does address the fact that Asian cultures historically ferment soy products which naturally minimizes the goitrogenic properties of soy and they do not consume it as a mainstay of the diet, in fact, in Japan one way a housewife lets her husband know she knows he's been cheating on her is to serve him a platter of Soy foods for dinner!

[-] 1 points by Quark (236) 12 years ago

the link is not working is there something to it? I like soy a lot, so I need to know more.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

just updated the original post and here's some more found when I keyed in : Richard and Valerie James obituary soy online service at google.com trying to find out if it is true these parrot breeders and soy protest activists were killed and that the site is gone forever as posted above in this thread.

http://www.tldp.com/issue/11_00/soy.htm quote from article:"Startled, aghast, angry…the Jameses hired toxicologist Mike Fitzpatrick to investigate further. Dr. Fitzpatrick’s literature review uncovered evidence that soy consumption has been linked to numerous disorders, including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukemia; and, in studies dating back to the 1950s,48 that genistein in soy causes endocrine disruption in animals. Dr. Fitzpatrick also analyzed the bird feed and found that it contained high levels of phytoestrogens, especially genistein. When the Jameses discontinued using soy-based feed, the flock gradually returned to normal breeding habits and behavior.

The Jameses embarked on a private crusade to warn the public and government officials about soy foods, particularly the endocrine disrupting isoflavones (genistein and diadzen.) Protein Technologies International (PTI) received their material in 1994"

[-] -1 points by ssjkakkarotx (-77) 12 years ago

So your against any kind of Hybridization as well?????

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

Not unless they have an Artic Flounder tomato.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

hybridization is not the issue

[-] 0 points by ssjkakkarotx (-77) 12 years ago

Why not , that is a form of Genetic Modification

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago


Why not, make it illegal to destroy the seed diversification of this planet.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

The only human feeding study every published on genetically modified organisms (GMOs) was conducted on Roundup Ready soybeans. Here's their back story: Scientists found bacteria growing in a chemical waste dump near their factory, surviving the presence of Monsanto's Roundup herbicide. The herbicide normally kills bacteria, but this organism had some special gene that allowed it to survive. So Monsanto scientists figured, "Let's put it into the food supply!"

By forcing that genes from that bacterium into soybean plants' DNA, the plants then survive an otherwise deadly dose of Roundup herbicide—hence the name Roundup Ready.

In the human study , some of the subjects were found to have Roundup Ready gut bacteria! This means that sometime in the past, from eating one or more meals of GM soybeans, the gene that had been discovered in the chemical waste dump and forced into the soy, had transferred into the DNA of bacteria living inside their intestines—and continued to function. That means that long after we stop eating GMOs, we may still have dangerous GM proteins produced continuously inside of us.

When the results of the study emerged, the funding from the pro-GMO UK government mysteriously dried up, so they were not able to see if the same type of gene transfer happens with Bt genes from, say, corn chips. If it does, it means that eating Bt corn might turn our intestinal flora into living pesticide factories—continually manufacturing Bt-toxin from within our digestive systems.

[-] 0 points by ssjkakkarotx (-77) 12 years ago

Maybe we should evolve faster than

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

good luck with that !

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

thanks man

the fuckers