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Forum Post: scientific Socialist Libertarian Anarcho Syndicalist ultra-participatory Democracy

Posted 2 years ago on June 24, 2012, 6:04 a.m. EST by vegasirius (10) from Sacramento, CA
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I see our only path to achieving justice, an equally equitable socio-economic system and human physical success in general, is by agreeing on principles. Agreeing on answers that will solve our critical problems. We then begin a local grassroots campain to find people who will stand for our answers to the problems we face while informing local public about problems and answers, all who agree will vote for people we found who have integrity, real solutions, popular vote and science backing them, then we can change the system without devastation to human life. This is a different way to go about revolution than, for example, Spain 1936, or Cuba 1953. We could realize we are all one. and that borders make bias, we are chained by passports that prevent us from totally enjoying our little spaceship Earth and really living to our potential. We could realize we are all on the same ship and we are arguing over who owns the fuel, or kitchen, or rooms, or life boats, life jackets etc. when there is enough to go around and all the arguing is taking place while the ship is on fire. We could realize ownership is impossible/not experimentally demonstrable. all experiences are bi-terminal. We could realize that we need the whole Earth resources recirculating to truly take care of all people. That astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, geology, etc. are sub-divisions of the comprehensive, only real department, Mother Nature. That wealth is energy, time, and knowledge, and that wealth can only increase. Humans are the great anti-entropy of universe. That each group of people can't be autonomous to ensure humanities survival that we must co-op the Earth. Realize the standard of living we have and the immense wealth of the wealthy .1% of us is due to mass tax payer subsidy, we live in a nanny state for the wealthy, it's been this way for eons due to ignorance of know-how and know-where. Enough from me, how do you see our critical path?

What do you think is our path to omni-human success?

To possibly inspire: A problem well stated is a problem half solved.

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[-] 1 points by vegasirius (10) from Sacramento, CA 2 years ago

Science means an earnest attempt to set in order the facts of our experience

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

That's a long name for a political theory, but I like it anyway (and big ideas sometimes need long names) :)

[-] 1 points by vegasirius (10) from Sacramento, CA 2 years ago

People stop bickering over the details. We know government is designed to be completely corruptible, and is. We know that corporations have more freedom than people. That the wealthy are exploiting us. That capitalism is predicated on the fallacy of a fundamental inadequacy of life support on planet earth. If we can't agree, we will solve nothing. conservative or whatever you think you are just remember, only Integrity will count. It's scientifically demonstrable that politics has never solved any problem. only inventions and ethics solves problems. Stop bickering, people with good intentions are ignorantly unconsciously working for to protect the wealthy exploiters. We are still living in the dark ages, but now we have the option for all people to be omni- successful. Do you know what your doing? Do you know our potential?

[-] 0 points by MattHolck2 (44) 2 years ago

I think any government design could be corruptible

unless we all voted with our names

[-] 1 points by vegasirius (10) from Sacramento, CA 2 years ago

Thought provoking. I advocate for a computer system that makes the decisions politicians ought to be making and the decisions business managers are legally restrained from making. Ergo nothing has the potential to be corruptible because a computer is unbiased, it will choose what's most economical and scientifically comprehensively most considerate and equitable for all people. It would be an entirely unselfish ungreedy socio-economic system. We have the option, it's probably our only option to avoid extinction or mass human devastation.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

True, "we live in a nanny state for the wealthy", we need a new constitution, as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 businesses (or investments) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 businesses (or investments) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ ; so help us help you, today!

[-] 1 points by vegasirius (10) from Sacramento, CA 2 years ago

scientifically ownership is impossible because we are terminal. One option we could choose is renting a home/dwelling with all the rights allowed to current USA home 'ownership' with, yet-to-be established guidelines for ecological consideration and long-term equitability. We could have the option to leave first option of tenancy to a person we choose. The home wouldn't sit unrented. We would rent from the state or country or international organisation of human dwellings. There would be no 'housing market' to exploit or degrade. No life-time-to-pay mortgages. In today's currency possible $150 a month, always low price, not increasing. Scientifically equally equitable dwelling industry. Shelter is a human necessity. Strapping people into on-death-terms contracts merely to have the right of ownership, the ease of mind that a landlord can't control your space or terms of occupancy is unnecessary.

[-] -1 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

If ownership is impossible, how will you have any type of recognition that you live in any particular house. Wouldn't I be able to just start living in the house you were sleeping in the night before and claim the right to sleep in it the next night?