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Forum Post: Scared of the Truth

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 6:22 a.m. EST by AgainstOWS (28)
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My former posts, and in fact the entire group I was writing in responce to have been deleted. Why? Because we do not support this movement and have every right to voice our opinions on this page, but the people of OWS clearly don't want to hear that there are people part of the 99% who don't support this radical movement. Just thought I would let you all know that what you say is censured, zero freedom of speech on this site, I mean, unless you are one of their brainwashed dupes. So, this will probably also be deleted, but I just hope a few people read it and realize what is what. A clever group talking about the belated parental advice that these protestors didn't get, like Life Isn't Fair, has been deleted. BUT a group screaming that JEWS caused this mess hasn't been deleted. Does it show you their values yet? Hope so.

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[-] 1 points by bobbygraviano (8) from San Jose, CA 13 years ago

I agree that the moderators of this website should allow an open forum, and let people voice their opinions regardless of their views. But how can you use the word 'brainwashed' when you are in favor of a system that is responsible for all poverty, crime, and ecological destruction and disregard. You support this social/economic system despite its self destructive nature, because you have been imparted with values that lead you to believe it is good for society. We are on a path to extinction of the entire species, and you have been blinded to this reality. And you are going to use the word brainwashed?

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

trolls deserve to be removed. you don't have every right to troll us.

and no, we are not interested in your shit.

you are the brainwashed dupe, and we don't need your shit.

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.

  1. Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
  2. This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
  3. Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
  4. The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
  5. The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
  6. Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
  7. You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
  8. I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
  9. Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
  10. The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
  11. Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.
  12. As of last night and this morning, you can't even answer responses on this site without geting a 403 error, logging in requries you to back click after a 403 error, and the chat simply doesn't load.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

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[-] 1 points by heart4u (5) from Mt Uniacke, NS 13 years ago

I also had a comment not posted. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it, just a comment about not supporting the banks by not using atm's which give an enormous amount of revenue to banks. I am not a radical. I have two daughters in college and I cringe to see what the banks charge them in debit fees. I am concerned about their future. it just made sense to me to boycott using atm's when you can. A rather small step to stop lining the banks pockets with ridiclous fees. There could be a better/cheaper way for people to access their own money at their convenience. Oh, I have a niece who has a university degree and works at a bank as a teller and makes min wage...I guess that is all they can afford to pay staff who handles your money..

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[-] 1 points by mimthefree (192) from Biggar, Scotland 13 years ago

hmmm, someone blames a Jew and the reply is "anti-semitism"

it's all accusation and no evidence here.

So, I'm out.

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[-] -1 points by Scout (729) 13 years ago

BUT a group screaming that JEWS caused this mess hasn't been deleted.

why delete the truth scumbag ?

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[-] 1 points by AgainstOWS (28) 13 years ago

what on earth are you talking about? you think that is the truth? I'm not Jewish, I'm German, and if you all are anti-semitic and want to go the road of Hitler, I'm out, you have lost it, officially.

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