Forum Post: Take a Look. Take Part. Save the planet. Start now!
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 27, 2011, 1:40 p.m. EST by DKAtoday
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Why have we not started yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
Read the petition attached below. If you agree sign it. But please forward to people you know and let them consider this petition as well. We can only move to truly green energy if we force the issue.
A fusion energy plant could easily separate hydrogen from water.
a flux capacitor powered by a heisenberg compensated samoflange can easily separate hydrogen from water.
wait what? are we talking about real, implementable technology?
Yes, because fusion energy is just like Hollywood fantasy, except that it has been experimentally proven.
Pull your head out of your ass.
Economically viable and affordable fusion energy is a Hollywood fantasy
Yes, the world is flat, too. I've heard it all before.
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If businesses truly cared
http://www.switched.com/2008/03/24/high-schoolers-create-car-that-gets-1-693-miles-per-gallon/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/03/29/shell-eco-marathon-meet-the-1000-mph-cars-of-the-future/
http://www.grist.org/list/2011-08-15-record-breaking-electric-car-gets-1000-miles-to-the-charge
getting a measly 100mpg wouldn't be as difficult as they claim.
And of course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI (Recharge anyone? + jobs galore)
Take a look. Take Part.
Why have we not started yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
Read the petition attached below. If you agree sign it. But please forward to people you know and let them consider this petition as well. We can only move to truly green energy if we force the issue.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/fb/petition/petition/force-industry-implementing-hydrogen-fuel-technology/Pqd8bP9q
we burn more hydrocarbons creating hydrogen, for a vehicle- then if we burned those hydrocarbons in the car. but hydrogen cars would solve local pollution in city's like la. where the pollution created creating hydrogen would be far away from city's. build a plant in the redwood forest. training web page http://vgdhi.cjb.net thrasymaque
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In a few countries, renewable sources are being used more widely to produce energy and hydrogen. For example, Iceland is using geothermal power to produce hydrogen,[55] and Denmark is using wind.[56]
Further information available in the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
How would you suggest doing this? I mean I know how but do you?
In a few countries, renewable sources are being used more widely to produce energy and hydrogen. For example, Iceland is using geothermal power to produce hydrogen,[55] and Denmark is using wind.[56]
Further information available in the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
i would use geothermal steam to electricity- electrolysis- to hydrogen. use existing natural gas pipelines to distribute hydrogen- fuel cells would consume hydrogen in cars- city's would generate there own electric locally ,again fuel cells-- output =water vapor-
i would burn the hydrogen directly for cooking and space heating.
due-- to radioactive decay- geothermal is a renewable resource- training web page http://vgdhi.cjb.net thrasymaque
solar, wind, tidal
Just to be clear, you're suggesting to make the switch to electric cars? Ok well I've been messing around with an electrolytic cell. The way this works is that you hook it up in your car through the ignition. When you turn the car on the vacuum will suck the brown's gas through the air intake system where the hydrogen and oxygen are burned in concert with the gasoline of the car making it go further.
It is actually realistic to run a car solely on one of these cells if properly configured. The only thing extra to do to your car that would be expensive would be to ceramic plate the internal working of your car. However, I think this would be cheaper than converting the entire system we currently have.
The only byproduct of this system would be water vapor and much better for the environment wouldn't you think?
The cars wouldn't need to be electric they could be the same as now with a couple of ceramic coated parts to protect against corrosion from the water vapor exhaust and with the removal of all of the anti pollution ( power robbing ) equipment that they are saddled with now.
Good suggestion for further research.
Read the petition attached below. If you agree sign it. But please forward to people you know and let them consider this petition as well. We can only move to truly green energy if we force the issue.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/fb/petition/petition/force-industry-implementing-hydrogen-fuel-technology/Pqd8bP9q
The massive reserves of the element lithium , in Afghanistan.-- make electric cars- possible / practical.
as i understand it you are using gasoline generated energy - thru a alternator say 220 amps dc and thru electrolysis creating hydrogen and oxygen? running those created gasses into the intake manifold and igniting them with a spark plug- if so the main problem is- -------------------- that is a perpetual motion machine---- which is against the laws of physics-- whenever one form of energy is converted to another- there is loss- you always get less then you started with.
What do you mean perpetual motion? The alternator creates energy that runs to the battery. The energy comes from the gasoline/hydrogen.
These are Total Lies spread by the Oil Industry.
Hydrogen is the primary component of water.
A tiny, DC-electrical charge (say, from a solar panel or a wind generator) is sufficient separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms, thereby breaking water (H20) into it's component parts: Hydrogen and Oxygen - both of which are highly flammable and both of which posses higher energy density that Gasoline.
We could be powering the entire planet on hydrogen with no negative consequence.
Makes metering it and charging for it difficult though.
Yep, here's an example of that in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo
It's only a matter of time.
metering it and charging for it would be the same as its done for natural gas / propane-- the energy that one gets when hydrogen is oxidized- is much less then the energy used to create the hydrogen.
WRONG!
Metering needs to stop along with capitalism.
As for your erroneous statements regarding energy efficiency.
They are demonstratively false:
Energy Density of Hydrogen: 120–142 MJ/kg
Energy Density of Gasoline: 36.4-49.6 MJ/kg
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure you that Hydrogen gives you a much bigger "bang for the buck" (3x).
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/MichelleFung.shtml
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ArthurGolnik.shtml
Which is why big business doesn't like it, because efficiency and economy do not equal profit.
Read the petition attached below. If you agree sign it. But please forward to people you know and let them consider this petition as well. We can only move to truly green energy if we force the issue.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/fb/petition/petition/force-industry-implementing-hydrogen-fuel-technology/Pqd8bP9q
please take a college class in physics.
I just schooled you (with citations, even) and that's your best response?!
At least TRY to sound intelligent.
Please take time to view this petition and consider what it could mean to our health and economy. Please take part, sign and forward this petition.
http://wh.gov/jGK
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Force Industry into implementing Hydrogen Fuel Technology. We have the technology. We have the need. Why has implementation not started?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
Why has implementation not started?
'free' energy is not profitable.
It's the same reason research into 3d printers isn't widespread, why vertical farming is not implemented, why large clean alternative energy projects aren't implemented nationwide, why forests continue to be clearcut (rather than using bamboo or other building materials), why slightly upgraded versions of electronics are implemented (when we have laptops with the processing capacity of supercomputers now), etc
A post-scarcity society has little need for money which is bad for business.
Hydrogen fuel would not be free, someone needs to produce it. It would be marketed the same as helium, nitrogen, methane, natural-gas, etc. by air-products companies. The thing would be to regulate the business from the start so that it does not become as corrupt as the oil/gas industry is.
Read the petition attached below. If you agree sign it. But please forward to people you know and let them consider this petition as well. We can only move to truly green energy if we force the issue.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/fb/petition/petition/force-industry-implementing-hydrogen-fuel-technology/Pqd8bP9q
It is abundant enough (extremely high supply) to cut into energy companies profits.
And it is easy to convert water into hydrogen through other energy sources.
But if we are looking to create jobs there are other projects out there which would serve a similar purpose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSARSw2JUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRyVK7HqJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zn8MRKOskw
You bet it would cut into their profits. That is exactly why they need to be forced into production and implementation. Just think what low fuel costs would do for small business. For all business outside of oil production/processing. Think about the cost savings to private citizens in heating, cooling, cooking and transportation!
*shrug
this might create more jobs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI
although I'd rather have RBE test cities built if we are going to invest in large projects.
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Force Industry into Hydrogen Technology Implementation.
One excuse would be because it's not "cost effective". But the real opponents would be those companies that this idea would take money away from. In the end, the bottom line is and always will be about money.. not what's best for people or the planet... just money. That's why I say a resource-based economy is the way to go.
Exactly. This is absolutely why "WE" need to take back the government. Health should come 1st. Economic Health after ( or along with ) Physical Health.
Agreed.
This is especially true when it comes to hydrogen.
Being the primary component of water - a tiny, DC-electrical charge (say, from a solar panel or a wind generator) is sufficient separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms, thereby breaking water (H20) into it's component parts: Hydrogen and Oxygen - both of which are highly flammable and both of which posses higher energy density that Gasoline.
We could be powering the entire planet on hydrogen with no negative consequence.
Makes metering it and charging for it difficult though.
ah well, in a RBE cost wouldnt be an issue :)
'Monetary Value' is an artificial and thoroughly abstract concept that has been superimposed on the world via the human contrivance known as "ownership."
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We have the technology. Why have we not started implementation? Can you say "BIG OIL"???
Good concepts that need much more development. I liked the electric motors in the hubs of the German car. Good call. Next thing we'll find them duplicating Dr. Porsches design with DC moters that can regenerate at the hub but doing it with new technology. No brakes, all generation, w/4wd.
But that is not going to save the planet. It will help, but not save it.
The planet suffers from a behavioral problem. One group of elites refuse to obey the constitution after have taken an oath to do so, and another group is too confused by the corporate corruption of society to realize it must use the ultimate behavioral control of the nation to amend the constitution with an article 5 convention.
First thing, Occupy congress and provide formal notice that they are inviolation of the constituion, law and their oaths. We need to Occupy Congress and put them on notice with a petition of greivance. That starts the clock ticking on the 45 day contractual period of notice for them to begin to call state delegates for a convention to propose amendments.
This is a letter that actually cites the violations of law that congress is conducting at this moment having neglected, non feased and mal feased for so long we are seriously needing to engage remedy. This could be legitimately be used to Occupy Congress in constructive notice.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?3-Letter-to-your-Representatives
Then go to the states capitols. Find who understands that protests need to be organized upon states legislatures. Understand some legal aspects too. Here is a letter template, resolution form that can be sent to state legislatures asking them to work for an article V convention.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?10-Templates-Letter-to-State-Representatives-request-for-house-resolution
Article 5 is our first and last constitutional right. If we don't use it now, we will not have any rights. Freedom is not free. Unity is cheap compared to the demise of the nwo default with confused sheep, not free.
Educate yourselves about article V.
Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Lots of facts here about Article V. Lawsuit filed against all members of congress, video. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8