Forum Post: Sad moment for OWS
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 12:29 a.m. EST by ronpaul2012
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When your own rules say you can't mention the President's name or a candidate who might actually have a record of fighting against America's central banking system, it is a sad moment for freedom of expression, press, speech, etc if your own movement censors such actions. I've felt your pain, I feel you, I'm with you, and I understand the troubles the 1% have created, yet if you can't criticize or support specific POLICY-MAKERS, how can you really have a debate or get to some of the root causes of our problems.
I highly suggest you reflect upon this part of the message you are putting across.
I believe we should be able to talk about this. I believe you are alienating many others who would want to be a part of the movement too.
Once again I feel the need to point out that previously this forum was being spammed by RP supporters, at least a few of them. IF there had been more respect for the 'theme' of this forum there would have been no need for the 'defamation' of the name. The term defamation is a gross over statement of the situation.
I witnessed this spamming and was one of those pointing out that the forum was not created to be a RP campaign tool. The spamming was disrupting the purpose of this forum more than the 'trolls' were managing with concentrated effort.
I know that if I witnessed the spamming of any potential candidate's name I would have made the same point, no matter what that name might be.
So could we please discontinue the discussion of names and get onto the purpose of discussion?
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The interesting thing is, if OWS supported RP, he would actually win the Presidency, bringing everyone closer to their own belief system, whether it be free libertarians, socialist, anarchy, etc. Voting in RP is the single best thing you can do to fight the monetary system of America and give individuals more power than they've ever imagined.
Lunar Op's positions on the majority of issues is the exact opposite of OWS and the vast majority of citizens.
He wants
Total free market capitalism.
Free market health care.
Repeal Roe v. Wade.
Eliminate capital gains and estate taxes.
Eliminate the EPA.
Repeal ban on assault weapons.
Undermine UN arms control efforts.
Ron Paauul
The Revolution has a theme song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8&feature=related
http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/
The Revolution starts here! No one can silence the Revolution!
its a sad moment for you. Because you miss the point. that this is not about getting your guy elected, but about transcending the game. You are still playing chess on the oligarchs chess board. U are still fighting for an oligarch tool. And while he may be very awesome on the issues you PAY ATTENTION to, hes downright insidious and insane and a clear and present danger and enemy of the people on a whole host of issues you manage to be ignorant of or ignore.
This is not about your chess piece king. This is not about any other chess piece king. This is the new game, and you are still stuck being stupid and evil and fronting for a stupid and evil madman, instead of joining OWS you are still playing divide and conquer team sports.
Go back and read ronnies WHOLE platform. HALF the things hes got to say are genius. The other half are batshit insane. Pay attention to his ideas about taxes. Ending assorted regulating agencies. Denial of Global Warming. ETC.
Take your Ron Lawl rhetoric and shove it where the sun don't shine. we are sick of hearing about it, and for good reasons.
lawn roll, 2102
What, /specifically/ is "batshit insane"?
Specifically?
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_is_an_enemy_of_the_People_and_Truth
Global warming denial. Shutting down assorted regulation agencies. shutting down the department of education. shutting down the EPA. Rons tax schemes which are even worse than bushes and even more egregrious against the 99 percent. Denial of global warming. etc.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
at least he would protect free speech and we could have a diologue about how to trancend this paradigm. better than this movement. such energy shouldnt b wasted by the LEADERS of this movement by CENSORING free thinking and no1 denies global warming they jus ignore other reasons besides greenhouse gasses. like the sun. wats the purposeof the movement again???
the sun can't be responsible for the warming we are seeing. Protect free speech? several of his taxation and deregulation ideas are open assaults on free speech. we gave you ample opportunity to pack up your ronshit and leave. We aren't interested in it, and so its hardly censoring, its in fact simply asking you to take it the fook someplace else.
"free thinking?" lol. thats NOT what ron trolling is about, quite the opposite. you guys are holding on to the con scam mental cage of duopoly politics, and running your republican game piece INSTEAD OF actual FREE thinking.
your mental cages are NOT free thinking.
doesnt the temp drop when u stand under a tree?
hold gawdoftruth. the sun warming the earth is the only reason the earth support life duopoly? hes run on third party tickets. and yes when u keep people from posting thats censorship. u should have the rite to do so but call it wat it is. lol the sun cant cause warming lmao fook yoo
the suns energy towards the earth is a stable fixed constant, increasing very slowly over geological time. keeping trolls from posting is not censorship, the trolls broke the social contract and deserve to be removed. You are still here. If this was a far right forum, and the situation was reversed, you'd be ip banned shortly after your first post. Get real. And i agree that the forms of control they (admins on this site) are using are abusive. But not a tenth as abusive as ANY given far right forum.
i luv that u have the freedom to post nonsensical arguments about a chemical reaction taking place millions of miles away and claiming that u no its stable when science says otherwise. it actually increases AND decreases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
very scientifical of you. and those increases and decreases, plotted and graphed, come to a basic constant, and the percent of fluctuation is less than one percent of the total energy, and the net difference between 30 years ago and now is almost nil. So the sun ain't causing the warming. I studied meteorlogy and climate science, solar variation is not new to me. Its also not having any meaningful effect on climate.
I will state again. the output from the sun is a fixed constant, a stable and fixed output. There is variation, but that does not do anything meaningful to climate, tho it can effect the weather (which is short term) it does not change long term climate pattrerns and can't be accountable for global warming.
The energy output from the sun has NOT increased in 40 years, but the earths temperature has gone up between 1 and 3 degrees depending on how you count it all in that time.
The sun is not causing global warming, claiming that it has anything to do with global warming is proof of gross ignorance, repeating lies which exxon sold the public, and being a pwn dupe of the oligarchy.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/index/
http://knowledge.allianz.com/search.cfm?126/climate-change-global-warming-what-is-greenhouse-effect&mcg=1166123302_6139625452&kwg=Broad_1166123302_greenhouse+effect
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/02/global-warming-denial.html
when i say resonant i mean that the radiation is bouncing off clouds back n2 our atmosphere continuing the heating even when the sun is gone. thats y we dont freeze to death at nite. do u understand y we cant really explore the dark side of the moon? because it gets really cold
lol the links this guy posted shows his ignorance
basic constant... with fluctations. thats wat the warming is caused by. im not trying to negate the effects of co2 but compared to the effects of the sun, theyre irrelevant. u didnt prove anything by wat u stated mr strawman. the amount of warming were experiencing is miniscule even to the less than one percent fluctuation ur reffering to. study sum more buddy. if u wanna talk long term, short term then define ur terms. the industrial revolution has been in the VERY SHORT TERM n the whole scheme of things. and temperature increases r resonant according to the "scientists" n the ipcc. ur making an arse of urself
no, the warming can't be caused by the fluctuations, since the net energy on any given actual day or year is a constant. This is a stupid, ignorant, bass ackwards argument which has zero merit. Comparing apples to oranges, the sun has NO effect on climate because relative to climate it is a fixed constant.
Study some more yourself. I have studied meteorology and climatology to the expert level.
You are the one making an arse of yourself, giving us patently absurd denialist garbage that has been debunked time and time again.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/08/13/the-truth-about-denial.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
Solar activity & climate: is the sun causing global warming? Link to this page The skeptic argument...
It's the sun "Over the past few hundred years, there has been a steady increase in the numbers of sunspots, at the time when the Earth has been getting warmer. The data suggests solar activity is influencing the global climate causing the world to get warmer." (BBC) What the science says... Select a level... Basic Intermediate Advanced
In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
Over the last 30 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate are going in opposite directions. This has led a number of scientists independently concluding that the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming.
One of the most common and persistent climate myths is that the sun is the cause. This argument is made by cherry picking the data - showing past periods when sun and climate move together but ignoring the last few decades when the two diverge.
Man dude - you have very strong felt beliefs. Is it hard to believe that many others honestly disagree with you and that it is ok to have a forum on them?
I disagree with so many of your conclusions, yet each of them require a separate discussion.
We respect you disagreement of RP.
This post was not supposed to be about him necessarily, but why does OWS think they should censor. You don't want us here, but if this is about grassroots against the 1% then who are you to say we should not speak?
You can judge them just as a RP supporter will judge you and the entire forum of ideas.
If what you believe is the prevailing attitude of all OWS'ers, this basically means that in OWS's infancy, the movement is already falling in the dreads of how we got into the global mess in the first place. Letting the few control what is to be and what is not to be.
no, i don't have any beliefs, i have knowledge. there is a difference.
i am not interested in ignorant people disagreeing with me.
ows should censor ron trolling, because this ain't about ron. This is about leaving the old game behind, which you are still carrying like luggage. rotten. mildewed. sickening. disgusting. garbage. luggage.
i do not believe. i know. i studied long and hard to know, and to use formal logic instead of form opinion.
the mass majority, not the few, has determined that ron is a problem, not a solution, and anybody whos still carrying that old garbage on while we try to start a whole new game has missed the entire fucking point of this site and the occupy movement.
W/out knowing how I feel on this issue, what can you know or what can you study that tells you Abortion should be legal?
Or take it further, what can you research that tells you w/out doubt that Abortion should be something decided upon at a Federal level?
Isn't this a belief?
What can you research to tell you a single-payer Federal healthcare system is better than a single-payer Statewide (say, Trenton) healthcare system? If your answer is Federal, then why not Global?
There are so many ways to implement the same thing. I find some of what we've discussed to be beliefs as opposed to knowledge.
Many in America believe (and find it very logical) that when a system, corporation, or government grows too big that it ends up doing a lot of harm, people in power get greedy, take advantage, and the system fails the very people it was setup to help in the first place. That they would rather have a smaller or different system to be a part of. Or better yet, have a choice on what system they support.
These are differences of opinion, not knowledge or fact.
simple. formal logic proves this is a wedge issue, without merit, being solved from the wrong direction. Lets end all abortion. Lets do that from a direction that is systemically viable instead of being fascist pricks turning womens bodies into a meat for propaganda battle ground. Lets end poverty, lets promote contraception, lets have meaningful social nudity to be done with the prudishness which in the first place is the largest root cause of rebel sexuality, (and porn, and prostition, and rape, and etc) and lets have hot tubs in the parks and lets have meaningful evolutionary education regarding human relationships.
Lets stop all abortions on this planet. The systemically feasible and real way instead of in a manner which can never work, and in a manner which turns us into gender nazis.
No, thats not a belief, thats systems and game theory and sociology applied to the problem.
Systems theory also suggests that the larger a meta entity is the less humane it becomes, so universal single payer is certainly a better answer than republican privaitzation or obama care, but isn't nearly as good as localized universal coverage.
These are not mere differences of opinion, they can be logically treated in formal logic and systems and game theory.
When the Billionaires of the world are more scared of this guy then anyone else that should tell you something.
I totally respect your opinion if you disagree. However, your attitude is hurting your message and alienating those who might be attentive to what you are trying to do. I would suggest OWS focus on how your will make change. Unless you are calling for a forceful overthrow of the American govt, you need to focus on who can change policy. Politics is Policy afterall.
Giving different states a choice of more socialism over less capitalism is a good thing many in OWS agree with and reducing the scope and power of our Federal govt and our Central Banking System gives you more power to affect that change.
u dont c ronpaul2012 hurling insults. we dont have to respect this persons opinions when they sho none n return.
but again, you focus only on the things lawn roll is right on, and ignore the things hes wrong on.
We are sick and tired of hearing it, and you guys are fucking morons for not paying attention to the OTHER HALF of his platform.
yeah, thats mean and blunt. we tried it the nice way but you guys are just thick and stupid and don't fucking listen.
If thats hurting my message... oh well.
I am focusing on how to make change. It doesn't involve putting lunatics and oligarchs into power or continuing to play the con scam divide and conquer chess game.
It DOES involve actually working out our own actual platform planks and issues, using science and truth, two things which lawn roll can't manage to grasp outside of the three issues hes somehow managed to get lucid on.
being RIGHT about 5 things does not prevent the lunatic from being epic fail WRONG about 100 others.
Stop being a pwn of lawn roll, and wake up.
What things do you say he is wrong on? Most controversial issues he defers to the states and cities so they can make the decisions as he believes the Federal govt should not create a one-size-fits-all lifestyle for anyone.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_is_an_enemy_of_the_People_and_Truth
how many times will we have to say this? BOTHER to read his WHOLE platform.
I have 2 thoughts on this. I'll go with the second thought first.
We have a system of checks and balances. Everything he tries to do will not happen, but we need the good ideas to actually happen or we are doomed. No other candidate is honestly fighting or has a history of fighting for the 50% of what is agreed upon. Someone needs to try. I'm always open to another candidate. I personally thought he was crazy in 2008 and my eyes opened just a couple years ago when I really started to listening to him.
My first thought was this tho - a lot of the "50% disagreement" are debatable yet written as fact or must haves. It does sound like a typical modern day Democrat platform. It's impossible to find a candidate everyone can agree with. What allows me to get past my disagreements with RP are how what we disagree on will further open debate to our States and Cities and let them figure out what is best, so you can convince your neighbor on the issues and vote in more referendums and local candidates that actually have power to affect change where you live. RP doesn't want to mandate how everything should work from a Federal level.
I disagree with less than what's on this wiki, but for the things I do, this is how I get past it. I think the things he is fighting for are far more important than stuff I don't like.
in other words, compromise with the lesser of twenty weevils.
Stop promoting a weevil, and get involved in making something new and evolutionary happen.
If you are open to another candidate, stop, take the time, help us develop the platform, and get involved. Maybe our best candidate is you. Why are you promoting Ron Lawl when perhaps you are a much better choice than he is?
It is the habit of proles to give their power over to team sports candidates instead of realizing- we need to actually take a stand together.
You are accidentally fighting against the 99 percent as a republican dupe, and no matter how good 5 percent of rons ideas are, 95 percent of them are nuts.
Its a moot point. ron trolling is not going to win you anything but contempt on this forum, either you were for ron before you arrived or you are not likely to be swayed.
stop trolling the forum with rontrap.
its only going to get deleted, in any case.
Yes! gawdoftruth give into your hatred. then you can defeat the lawn trolls. (cackle cackle cackle)
i think you watched star wars a few too many times.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=star%20wars%20nooo&tnr=21&vid=1237212660037&l=65&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1237212660037%26id%3D9bd0b55e61e1608780949287b219490c%26bid%3DoI7ioeU5mKX%252ftg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253d27RVJJfny4I&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D27RVJJfny4I&sigr=11ad3p11b&newfp=1&tit=Darth+Vader%26%2339%3Bs+%26%2339%3BNooo%21%26%2339%3B+in+Star+Wars%3A+Episode+VI+-+Return+of+the+...
No one person can satisfy everyone or have all the answers you liberal jacksass!
He is the one man who will TRY to shake up the system and make it fair. There will and has to be pain to fix America's problems.
His presidency will not be an eternity. He will not be able to enact everything he stands for. If we can survive Obama then I think we can survive RonPaul2012.com
i bet you have a can of Naty Ice right next to your keyboard.
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I am not a liberal. You are certainly the jackass.
Make the system fair? by increasing taxation disparity? By ending entire regulating agencies in the government? By denying global warming till we have super cell storms?
Neither he nor you would even know what "fair " is if it bit you.
I'm not interested in surviving insane crackpots. I am interested in moving forward with a completely new paradigm, and whomever emerges as the 99 % candidate.
lawn roll has no chance of winning, because he would mobilize by far the most dynamic edges of the left who would clearly understand that his assorted policies would literally mean Armageddon.
Stop fronting for an insane lunatic, and bother to read the REST of his platform.
Will the 99% candidate make shutting down the Federal Reserve top priority? If not, I'll vote for whoever does no matter what the rest of their platform looks like. It really is that important, and right now there is only one candidate who will even talk about it. I have supported OWS from day one, but if we can't reach consensus on that, the movement has failed and any candidate it offers is no less a weevil than the rest.
obviously, the 99 percent candidate would include that in their platform, since its the thing at the top of everyones list, including mine.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/End_The_FED
I think you use the terms "obviously" and "everyone" a bit too loosely here. I identify with OWS but when I listen I don't hear anyone talking about the Fed. Even the link you offered has only been viewed 38 times as of now, with a completely empty discussions section. It really is the top priority, and something that should be front an center, more than taxes or even jobs. It's the root of the problem, not a symptom. I hope you are right, though. But maybe you should take all that energy you are spending on shouting out RP supporters and use it to educate your own. Go fill out that page you linked me too and get the number of views up. Maybe I'll help. I have great hopes for OWS, but most of the time when I listen I have to look hard to keep those hopes alive.
i am looking at a macro over here three orders of magnitude bigger than yours. While i sincerely agree and appreciate your ideas and sense of direction on that, I have 20 other things brewing. If you want to help out by filling in the details on the wiki site, I'd be very thankful, i think ending the fed should have 100 sub pages off the main page, there is a lot of material out there to find and link to and describe. So if you want to pick that up and run with it, please do. I can't be all things to everyone, and i can't personally tackle each of these issues. But i can hope to find one person who is hyped on each of these issues and who will fill them out, so thats what i am doing.
Lets get to work on this, together.
I also have a lot of hope and a lot of frustration over my hopes. I am busting my ass day in and day out to make something positive happen here.
and 38 views is a sad testimony to how hard that is and how much i need everyones help in that.
what more can i say? please be a part of the solution. thanks.
Also, if you or anybody wants to devote 1001 pages to ron on the wiki, i have no problem with that.
there is room for that there, there is not room for that HERE.
Thank you for making your position clear, I agree with you. I'm looking at as many macro's as I can get the info on, and of course I don't know for sure the best way to move forward, and I agree that having a 99% candidate is one good way. Are you familiar with americanselect.org? Kind of the same idea, and well organized. There are three main reasons I choose to focus on the Fed specifically. First of all, it is the source of bad monetary policy and all other economic issues are tied to it. Second, one of the reasons for the growth of OWS is that it hasn't made any clear demands. When the message is sharpened, anyone who doesn't agree will break ranks. Everyone is going to get nit-picky with a platform - I like this, but does it have to have that? Focus on one issue, so no one will have to compromise on another issue to support it. I know ending/investigating the Fed is not the most popular one issue, but it is literally the only one I can think of that no well intentioned, informed American would argue against. They may not all think it's issue number one, but is there any other issue that an actual 99% of the US population can agree on? Make a clear, simple, popular demand, set a precedent for cooperation and tangible progress, and get some traction in the movement. Third, a lot of people, myself included, feel that the Federal Reserve is indeed the most important issue to address. Money is printed as a promise to repay with interest, so there is literally more debt than money to pay it off, but they keep printing it so the government can funnel it into corporations that the Fed board owns stock in, causing inflation and raising prices. In return, the corporations get to keep abusing workers and the environment, and the government gets to stay in power and have their campaigns financed. They are like the mob boss, using corporations and government to do their dirty work. RP recognizes this, and that is why so many people flock to him for salvation. I have wavered back and forth in supporting him because of this issue and his stance on war, and I know many others who feel the same way. We need to highlight this problem and make it clear that OWS is just as anti-Fed as RP is, so there is a choice for people who care about the issue and no one has to compromise to get a candidate that will stand up against the Fed. No need to reply, I know you are busy with other things, but if you or anyone else has feedback, I'm always interested to hear. Maybe I'm wrong and there is some reason why we can't all agree on this one issue, and of course the decision of what will replace it is up for debate. I will think about how best to contribute to the wiki, and I will continue to engage people on the matter in forums. Best of luck.
actually, OWS has issued very clear grievances and a demands list. The bestway to ensure that everyone agrees is to have an evolutionary public dialog. We can't hide from the process forever and in fact the actual truth of the matter is there are far more people to be gained than lost by adequately addressing the issues. The only way to move forward on the issue is to clearly delineate it so that it can be communicated over. This thread is not going to work as a link back to convince anybody. A detailed wiki treatment on the other hand can be used to convince everyone of the necessity of ending the fed, and the wiki can be used to work the problem of what will replace it as well.
again, the only thing left to do is for people to get to work.
thats not going to happen on this forum.
You would think if we are pissed off at Wall St, the financial system, and the banks, that the top most priority would be to reform or end the CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM!!
You have to understand, first, that this site is NOT the OWS movement. It is a site run by a handful of people who support the movement, yes, but they do not speak for the entire movement, and may or may not have their own agenda, with which the entire movement may or may not agree. (phew...that wasn't easy to write). I would say they mean well, at the very least, but I undertand your sentiment, that you are being sensored. (Frankly, I find it mildly amusing that RPaul comes up as...watch this, Ron Lawl (says Lawl, doesn't it? I typed P-a-u-l) on this forum, but then, I think the guy is a whackadoodle. While I do not support him (not remotely), I still believe you have every right to express your support for the whackadoodle, all the same, just the admins of this site have tired (and justifiably so, I think) of RP supporters spamming the heck out of this forum.
Don't feel discouraged by a few people and one website.
This forum is what everyone who is not near an occupy station sees! This is the original OWS outlet. The default, the defacto. If so many people are talking about him, and actually motivated in a grassroots effort behind him, then their is something to be heard.
We can bring the power back to our states, back to our cites, back to our towns, and out of the hands of DC. We can let our communities decide the tax rates, let YOU decide the rules in your own community. You've probably heard it before, blah blah. Not many people have a history of fighting against our central banking system yet there are so many messages about this in your own movement. He doesn't want to tell you what to do at a Federal level, but to give the people a chance to decide.
I can totally understand if you don't like him, but to alienate or censor ANY voice it to do the exact same harm the 1% is doing to you. It really hurts your movement. 90% of Ron P.aul supporters are behind what OWS is trying to speak up about. It is just so very sad.
I love that word... whackadoodle! Never heard it before but it somehow gets the message across...
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Have the posting rules been changed yet. Is Ron Lawl's name still defamed by automation?
yup
I love this thread topic! Say whatever it is that you wanna say!!!
I've read so many posts where very rational reasons are stated for the rule being in effect, but you seem to fail to understand the responses. If Ron Lawl wants to be involved with Occupy Wall Street and endorse them and win their votes, then let's hear from him. This is not the Occupy Ron Lawl movement, what part do you not get. If you want to join Occupy Wall Street - join. Otherwise, go start Occupy Ron Lawl.
According to the rules you can't even discuss Obama's policies. If we are not to affect change how can we not talk about the policy-makers.
I'm trying to have a discussion. I'm open if you read what is written.
First, let me clarify that I am not a moderator of the website. I support Occupy Wall Street and like to discuss it with other people in this forum. I get that your open to debating your candidate. But what you fail to get is Occupy Wall Street is the movement and either you agree with the movement or you don't. I don't personally know Ron Lawl's stance on Occupy Wall Street. However, I do know what one of his running mates Newt Gingrich recently said about the people in the movement, "Take a bath and get a job." That is the party Ron Lawl associates with. So how can you seriously expect anyone on this forum to be pro Ron Lawl. If your Ron Lawl is so great and thinks these people should be supporting him, then I want to hear on the record him defending Occupy Wall Street when his party demeans them. I can't be more open or honest than that.
This guilt by association is incorrect. Ron P-aul is using the Republican party as a platform, only. If you listen to what he says he's usually in stark contrast to the other puppets on the stage trying to divide and conquer.
Agreed. It's common knowledge that the repubs slowly got hijacked by right wing extremists over the past 30 years. Which is why Ron censored is awesome for pointing that out. He actually didn't approve of the Reagan presidency, which is like being the anti-christ to some of the GOP. He speaks out against the wars and the bullshit in politics. And I'm pretty sure he's not a lying piece of shit like Obama and Newt Gingrich.
Oh yeah and the Libyan rebels turned out to be terrorists and the US gov probably knew that already. Just read this report about the rebels slaughtering blacks in Libya before NATO and US gov support.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/29/501364/main20099014.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs1aGdidfyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUnluGSOdM
Dennis Kucinich should have been our president in 2008. He was planning on choosing Ronny P for his running mate.
I've watched all the republicans debate. Ron Lawl is a doctor and a common sense guy. Ron Lawl is using the Republican Party, because he is a libertarian in disguise.
He actually just did today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJCqw8XVw0&feature=youtu.be
He has multiple times that he supports some of the messages coming out of OWS.
Don't assume guilt by association. He's no typical Republican in any sense. He is shaking up the party.
I actually posted this because it is sad that OWS's rules say you can't talk about ANYONE's 2012 policies. Not even Obama, who supports our central banking system as is. There is a common message on here that there is no coherent message and I don't see how you can get one if you are not allowed to talk about policy-makers.
If we are mad at the banks, wall st, and the financial system, how can we not have a unifying message to reform or end the CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM.
To censor what we can discuss if exactly is falling in to the footsteps of the 1%.
I may have made this username, but I've only supported him insofar that he at least sees the roots of our corporate welfare system. I'm always open to another candidate or other ideas.
In fact, I would support states raising their taxes if DC got rid of theirs.
And yet, here we are discussing him. We are such rule-breakers. Anyway, Ron Lawl agrees with the corruption on Wall Street, but from what I gather of this movement, is that it doesn't want to get anybody elected, it wants to replace the system, and it will probably be a long process. Ron Lawl is certainly no typical Repub, I admire him for not taking popular stances just to get elected. But another thing I think Ron Lawl has going against him as for as drawing swells of support from this crowd, is that I believe this movement favors a progressive tax system
Heh, I guess we are, but its sad when I have to type a period next to his name so it spells his name correctly: Ron.P.aul. Otherwise the censors will get you.
I could go on about his stances but I suppose I don't want to get off topic again. I would ask you look him up because he does not believe in a progressive tax system.
Why can't we discuss Obama, RP's, or anyone else's 2012 campaign. I figured Dennis Kucinich would have at least come out of this movement. He sees the problems with the Fed Reserve as does Ron Lawl, yet Kucinish is more socialist while RP is liberty/capitalist minded. They both want to end the fraud being done by our corporations.
This censorship is why no coherent message is able to come out. I had no idea when I joined in early Oct that the very man fighting against the central banking system would be the guy being both censored by OWS and the MSM. It's crazy and it's sad.
We obviously live in a complex world. I'll keep my eye on everything and choose as wisely as I can. thanks.
The Nazis would've been proud!
Of Ron Pàùl? Probably. I know the Charles Lindbergh-worshippers and white supremacists all think RoPa is peachy keen.