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Forum Post: Ron Paul, the American Third Position Party and Stormfront

Posted 6 years ago on Feb. 2, 2012, 12:04 p.m. EST by XaiverBuchsIV (508)
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Members of the nationalist American Third Position Party (A3P), whose website was defaced by Anonymous, organised Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul's meetings and campaigns, according emails hacked by the collective.

Chairman of the British National Party (BNP) Nick Griffin also took part in meetings with Paul and other representatives of A3P.

"According to these messages, Ron Paul has regularly met with many A3P members, even engaging in conference calls with their board of directors," read a statement from Anonymous.

It also claims that Paul received financial support from other white power groups, such as the online hate forum Stormfront, founded by Don Black, a white supremacist. There is even a photograph of Paul with Black, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and a current member of the American Nazi Party. Paul allegedly refused to return donations from Black and Stormfront. Black told The New York Times that Paul's newsletter had inspired him to become a supporter.

In its statement, Anonymous said it put extra effort into hacking A3P webmaster Jamie Kelso, a key figure in organising Paul's meetings and conferences.

Kelso, a former Scientologist and account owner of other German Nazi forums, became an active supporter of Paul in 2007. He was reportedly attracted to Paul because he believed the Republican's followers would be receptive to his white supremacist views. He described Paul as "implicitly white" and started to actively organise Paul's events.

"Let's appreciate this big (Paul) audience that's overwhelmingly white," Kelso said in an interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center. "This is our audience, this is our public. These are our people. If we can't persuade these people of the rightness of our cause, then we're finished," he said.

Excerpts from the email hacked by Anonymous show Kelso's commitment to Paul's policies.

In 2009 he wrote to a supporter: "My own opinion is that the White revolution has already begun, and that the good White folks like Quinn [a member of A3P] that fills these Ron Paul crowds and marching armies ARE the start of the revolution."

In a 2011 email from someone who goes by the name "Penn Dutch" and appears to be close to Paul, the author expressed his resentment of the way Kelso was treated at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CAPC): "Jamie, just wanted you to know that I thought it was ashame [sic] that you were treated so badly at the CPAC meeting. I intend to let Ron Paul know that you have a large following, and are well respected by many White people."

Kelso also appears to have made his team available to Paul's campaign. In an email dated 2009, he wrote to an Alexander Hamilton: "Imbar is Ron Paul #2 man in Illinois. Owns his own manufacturing company. Young guy like you, Jeff (Imbar) and I have been buddies for years. We met up with Ron Paul in Ames, Iowa in Aug. 2007."

In another email from 2010, Kelso reiterates his commitment to Paul's presidential campaign and claims that some A3P members are part of Paul's team. "A couple of my buddies are among those dozen [email sent]. 'Knucklehead' is my buddy and Sr. Mod named Imbar on WhiteNewsNow [a racist website owned by Kelso]. He's also Ron Paul's #2 man in Illinois, Chicago, where is a manufacturer. His name is Jeff".

Griffin from the British National Party was also involved in these meetings. "We'll be meeting up with Nick Griffin on Wednesday night... a few of us," Kelso wrote to a member of AP3. "I let Nick know about the CPAC going on Thurs. and Fri. at the Marriott Hotel north of the White House," he said. "Ron Paul will be there Fri. afternoon. Want to meet up with him?"

Paul's connections with racist supporters have been highlighted by the media in America. Bill White, a former member of the neo-Nazi group the National Socialist Movement, became disillusioned with Paul after a spokesman for the Republican candidate called white supremacy "a small ideology".

Following the incident, he wrote on a popular white supremacist website: "Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays," he said. "I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy."

"Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position," he added.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/291000/20120201/anonymous-ron-paul-neo-nazi-bnp-a3p.htm#ixzz1lFG9mT1j



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[-] 2 points by GreedKills (1119) 6 years ago

They should now look into Ron's nephew Jesse Benton's connection to The Kentucky League Of The South. Racism and Classicism are long standing family traditions for the Paul clan.

[-] 0 points by criticalthink (0) 6 years ago

You know what I find interesting...? The symbol you guys @ Anonymous use (the fist symbol) is a symbol that has been used with "White Power" and communism propaganda.

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 6 years ago

You didn't bring up its use by the Industrial Workers of the World or the Black Panthers because that wouldn't have supported the illusion you were trying to create.

Are you retarded?

[-] -3 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

I don't see my post anymore.

[-] -3 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

"Freedom is Popular".

The Constitution of the United States is, and for quite some time has been, in jeopardy.

There is only one candidate that I believe will fight to return this country to a true "Land of Liberty", for all.

His name?

Ron Paul.

I voted for him in 2008 and plan on doing the same in 2012.

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

"Land of Liberty" for all. Except Blacks. Except women. Except the poor.

Still, I really do hope you vote for him, and split the equally reprehensible republican vote.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

OIC. You prefer the most bigoted, and racist candidate, you think might win.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

Sooner or later it always comes out. :P

[+] -4 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

You should refrain from "putting words in other people's mouths". Not just with me, but with everybody.

If I actually said/wrote anything that backs up your statement, please quote me. Including a verifiable source to back up one's statement is one of the tenets of "intelligent debate".

But then "you already knew that, didn't you?"

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

The debate on Mr. P was fought here and lost by his fans, a long time ago.

He is a bigot and a racist.

Know the truth, or find another place to lie.

More proof of his reality comes online all the time.

Sorry you missed it.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

Ron Paul has been in congress since the 80's. He has yet to produce a single piece of racist legislation or vote YES on racist legislation. He also voted NO on legislation that would have declared marriage as only being between a man and a woman.

But his ties to racist organizations are absolutely deplorable.

I like Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy, the federal reserve, and the CIA. I have to say I disagree with just about everything else though, especially the racist commentary in those old newsletters.

Speaking of racism, check out what the Libyan rebels are up to - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNA8z5G-Xmk&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video

This will be one of the worst elections in American history. I don't want any of these people to be president. Not Obama, not Newt Romney, not Ron Paul. I'm hoping somehow Dennis Kucinich and Elizabeth Warren will win the White House flying in on a Unicorn. But I'm really hopeful.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

No harm in wantin', but it will take the next cycle to get there.

[-] -2 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

I find your comment of "know the truth" comical.

[-] -3 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

Who are you going to vote for? (Please answer this one. Note: I won't be surprised if you refuse.)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

I'll tell you, when you accept the truth about Mr. P.

This thread isn't about who's voting for who.

It's about the truth.

That being said, I have until November to decide, although I will tell you that candidate will not, under any circumstance have an (R) next to his name.

[-] -2 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

For me, I don't believe in the decision a choice between "that side" and "the other side". I recommend that you actually make a choice based on the candidate themselves. Have an open-mind. I recommend that you pay more attention to the list below, rather than what party they may or not belong to:

1) Pay attention to what they actually say. 2) Pay even closer attention to their voting record. 3) Pay attention to those who have a long voting record so you can examine it. 4) Pay close attention to where they get their campaign funding.

After that, then maybe you should pay close attention to whether or not they have an (R), a (D), an (I), a (G) or whatever other letter next to their name. Because, let me tell you! That matters SO MUCH!

And last (with no sarcasm included), please... please.... for the sake of all us, please vote for a candidate that you truly believe is going to uphold their oath of office, which is:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

1.) I've done all that, and more.

Not a single word from Mr. P about citizens united, nor corporate personhood.

BTW Mr. P lies a lot.

It's actually, VERY important to notice that nasty little (R), next to ANY candidates name.

I don't believe in a fundamentalist view of the constitution.

It's not the 16th century, and the civil war is over. The stars and bars lost, for very good reasons.

You should get over it, and so should Mr. P.

I also notice, you have no qualms about not responding to what was posted.

In fact, it's a paraphrased version of his campaign propaganda, and doesn't deal on any level with the purpose of this thread.

You've avoided that little truth entirely.

Mr. P. is perhaps the biggest fraud running, in a field of fraudsters.

Are you a fraud too?

That's not exactly a good thing.

[-] -2 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

You write: "I don't believe in a fundamentalist view of the constitution."

If you don't believe in "the fundamentals" of the Constitution, then what parts, that you DO BELIEVE in, would remain?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

You still can't deal with the title of the thread?

I'll start answering your questions again, when you start answering the ones asked of you, about Mr. P.

[-] -2 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

The title of this thread is: "Ron Paul, the American Third Position Party and Stormfront".

The title is neither a statement or a question. It is simply three different topics lined up together.

So when you say: "You still can't deal with the title of the thread?"

What is there to, as you say "deal with"?

. . .

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

I guess you're as new to the internet as you are to politics.

Mr. P has some rather intimate ties to racists, bigots and fascists.

Plus he lied about the news letters. he knew all about them, and what was in them.

[+] -4 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

Let's just imagine for a second that "you are correct" about your statement: "He is a bigot and a racist."

Then let's imagine that Ron Paul wins the presidency in 2012.

Now that he is in office, what might you imagine that he will do on a POLICY LEVEL to actually make things WORSE than what they ALREADY ARE??

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Have you ever heard of Kampfgruppe Eicke, the Totenkopf 3rd Armoured Division of the Waffen-SS? If not, read about them, and then tell me if things can't get worse.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

With out a doubt, YES he would make things MUCH worse than they are.

He is after all, an extraordinary liar. .

All of his policies are (R)epelican't, or even worse.

[+] -4 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

Worse than the current ones, you say?

1) Current Monetary Policy? 2) Current "Drug War" Policies? 3) Current Military-Industrial Complex Policies? 4) Current Tax Policy? 5) Current Foreign Policy?

All of those that I have listed, I believe to have been the same for many, many years... through many administrations.

There's a song by The Who, it's called "Won't Be Fooled Again". A great line from that song: "Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss".

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

I'm going to put this simply to you.

It's all been gone over before-----sorry you missed it----, but it's all here for the searching.

"Even the things he appears to 'for', that I agree with, he want's to do for all the WRONG reasons and I've found reasons to be very important."

He's also an (R) for a reason.

[-] -3 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 6 years ago

Yes, and WE LIVE in an "R". An "R" as in: A "Republic".

Or, I do not know, maybe you don't live in America.

If you do, have you ever said the pledge of allegiance?

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and TO THE REPUBLIC for which it stands..."

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

You STILL can't deal with the thread title?

Still can't face reality?

And then you ask me an inane question?

I guess you are a question.