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Forum Post: Romney Tax Returns '98-'01 -- Perjury, Fraud & the Mass. Ballot Law Commission

Posted 8 years ago on May 7, 2012, 8:15 a.m. EST by OccNoVi (415)
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When Mitt Romney ran for governor in 2002, he swore under oath that he had been a resident of Massachusetts for the constitutionally required seven consecutive years prior to taking office. That is required in the Mass. constitution.

Romney is quite the ideal for a do-it-my-way outlaw candidate. Good for animal abuse, hate-crime assault on a gay student, and this combination of perjury and multiple municipal tax frauds. The perfect right wing bully-boy.

If Mitt Romney's declared residence on his 1998 to 2001 Federal 1040 forms (filed in 1999 to 2002) lies outside of Massachusetts, then Mr. Romney broke the laws of Massachusetts. He lied about it, repeatedly, during his 2002 sworn deposition before the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission. He signed sworn statements with direct perjuries.

This is perjury. Not a step short of it.

We knew Romney was smarmy. He ran money through a Swiss bank account.

We knew The Mittster had 137 tax-cheat accounts set up in the Cayman Islands for scams related to Bain Capital.

Now, researched recently, it comes out that Romney declared himself a resident of Utah in 1999 to 2001. His actions included applying for and getting a Utah driver's license. He and his wife also took tax deductions totaling $54,000 based on this Utah residency.

He kept signing various Utah forms as a resident of Park City, Utah. Along with voter registration, this raises a question, boys and girls:

Which state did Romney list on his 1998-2001 Federal tax returns ?

That Federal declaration explicitly asserts a "true, correct" name and address under penalty of perjury. No wonder Romney has hidden his Federal tax returns. He took money off his municipal Utah taxes as a legal resident at exactly the time he was running for governor of Massachusetts.

-- His tax accountant had to sign off on the filings for 1998 to 2001.

-- Federal law is explicit on residency determinations. Every 1040 has the same address lines. They have to be filled in.

-- The tax forms for Utah signed by Romney include the specific declarations of residence, signed by Romney and by his preparer.

-- If Romney signed as a resident of Utah while filing Federal forms in Massachusetts, then he was a tax thief. (Later changes to Utah records have been substantiated. These efforts are clumsy.)

-- If Romney signed as a resident of Utah while filing Federal forms in Utah, then he committed election fraud and perjury in Massachusetts in 2002.

Declaring a dual-state residence was and is illegal in Massachusetts and in Utah for purposes of driving, taxes, and participating in elections.

Romney testified under oath to the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission that he had always retained Massachusetts as his primary residence through the years 1999-2002. Somehow Romney concealed the fact that he had obtained a Utah driver's license. It is certainly possible that he kept his Massachusetts driver's license at the same time as the Utah driver's license, which itself is a misdemeanor. (We are unable to find any record for "conversion" of the Utah driver's license coming back in to Massachusetts. So maintaining two licenses is entirely plausible contrary to regulations and law.)

-- The Massachusetts constitution explicitly requires a seven year prior residence in Massachusetts for all valid candidates for governor. Obviously if Romney had filed his Federal tax returns 1998 to 2001 out of Utah, then he did not meet the residency requirement to run for governor in 2002 in Massachusetts.

Let's get clear on this one. "The law does not apply to me" is shear narcissism. The country had enough of that personality disorder with Cheney and Bush.

No wonder we're not seeing Romney's tax returns. His responses at pressers claim that he does not remember the details. Really? He doesn't remember that he had a photo taken at their DMV. He does not remember what happened with his Mass. driver's license.

O.K., fine.

Same time, Romney is going around the country telling a lie that John Kerry didn't release his tax returns in 2004. But in fact Kerry released 20 years of tax returns. When things get tough, Romney lies.

Liar. Crook. Bully-boy. Romney is the worst of all three.

(There's also something to be noted about Romney "saving" the 2002 Winter Olympics. Between giveaways of Federally owned land and Federal grants and large-scale Utah taxpayer contributions, more than $300-million was rolled in from public assets to make that event a success. Corporations put in $200-million for which they got full value. LDS listed 18,000 volunteers as well. Mitt Romney helped organize these giveaways.)



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[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Thanks again for this great post!!! This is huge OccNoVi!!! If you never made another post here, you have sure as hell earned your chops!!!

[-] 2 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago
[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Keep on keeping on, my friend !!!

[-] -2 points by katotohanan (-57) 8 years ago

Passing out Bushbama pins again are we, GypsyClown?

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Got yet another username, huh, Ironbutt?

[-] -3 points by katotohanan (-57) 8 years ago

How much has the Democratic Party paid you to pollute this forum with 7,244 points worth of co-optation propaganda, GypsyClown?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Iron Butt

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

He's getting paid for this. Pennies, but a little more where he wastes our time on a useless REPLY.

Right wing blogging is similar to raising dogs. A way to go broke. The smells are worse.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Pennies is more than it's worth.

[-] -3 points by katotohanan (-57) 8 years ago

How much has the Democratic Party paid you to pollute this forum with 7,244 points worth of co-optation propaganda, GypsyClown?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Iron Butt

[-] -2 points by katotohanan (-57) 8 years ago

How much has the Democratic Party paid you to pollute this forum with 7,244 points worth of co-optation propaganda, GypsyClown?

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

I really, really, hope this can be confirmed.

[-] 3 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Boston Globe and LA Times caught the flow of it in 2002. This article misses what all was concealed from the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission -- the Utah driver's license and the Federal tax returns. Plus, of course, where did the man vote in 1999 and 2000 and 2001 ?

-- articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/13/nation/na-romney13

-- utahdriverslicense.org/new_license.html

-- www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution

-- sudbury.ma.us/services/individual_faq.asp?id=128

-- www.mass.gov/rmv/license/9oos.htm

-- tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/tax_questions_tripped_up_romneys_run_for_governor.php -- missing the driver's license issue with respect to legal declaration of residency

-- www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/romneys-tax-fiasco-is-deja-vu-for-massachusetts-voters/251839/ -- yet again missing the Utah driver's license

"Romney initially told reporters he had filed taxes as a resident of both states." That is illegal, of course. Illegal for taxes and illegal for driver's licenses. Romney went into high gear and started amending his returns as fast as possible. The initial Federal returns 1999/2000/2001 never, ever came out.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Re. Mittens Romulan, two relevant links :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

there are relevant links about Mitt?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Yep ... do you consider them irrelevant considering that he is running for POTUS ? ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I heard he's beating Dole in the ratings

I have no clue as to Mitt's platform except perhaps more of the same

has he got one?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Dole ?! + You "have no clue as to Mitt's platform" ?!! Are you having a laugh ?!!! lux ?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I'm sure Mitt'll get around to having issues

stay the course

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I consider - Mittens Romulan ( laughing ) irrelevant.


Unneeded unuseful unwanted toxic waste and many other things.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

I wonder how long it will take for the MSM to catch up with the story - as in never! LOL!


[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 8 years ago

Really! The RNC would shit if Ronnie was the last man standing lol

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

it's about some guy named romney

I believe he is running for president

[-] 3 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

From a Massachusetts government FAQ:

What determines Massachusetts residency?

The following criteria, although not exclusive, can be used by state and local agencies and the courts to determine residency. By law, you are considered a Massachusetts resident if you receive a local property tax exemption, file a state resident income tax return or receive a rental deduction, register to vote here, enroll your dependents in a local public school or pay resident tuition for them at a state college or university, receive public assistance from the state, declare that mortgaged or insured property located here is your principal residence, or obtain any employment, benefit or privilege by claiming Massachusetts residency. You may be fined up to $1,000 per year if you illegally register in another state, or misrepresent the principal place your vehicle is garaged in this state. You are also subject to assessment for unpaid taxes with penalties and interest.

$1,000 fine for declaring dual state residencies. Well, certainly, Mr. Romney was guilty of this offense. The Utah driver's license does that one.

-- We know certainly that Mr. Romney committed this illegal dual-registration offense because we know that he took the total of $54,000 tax break from Utah by making exactly this dual-residency filing out there.

-- If he filed his Federal return in Massachusetts, then he stole annually 2000-2002 from the State of Utah and the local municipality.

-- If he filed his Federal tax return in Utah, then he stole any tax benefit from local property tax exemption moneys 2000-2002 from the Massachusetts municipalities where he had properties.

Romney also got that Utah driver's license. Amazing he was able to conceal that fact when he was challenged in 2002. Man's a great liar if nothing else.

Of course this Mitt Romney should be running for president. He is the perfect modern Republican. A liar. A crook.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

simplify focus

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

On the evidence, Romney broke laws in both states.

Worst case will be if perjury or "whole cloth" manufacture of evidence comes out from the 2002 deposition. Worst for Romney.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago


[-] 1 points by joethefarmer (21) 8 years ago

Interesting that is not what it says on the State of Massachusetts web site:


The $1,000 fine has to do registering to vote in another state or registering for state benefits (unemployment, public assistance...) from more than one state.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Both of these FAQ/intro pages are brief summaries of the legal situation with respect to illegal dual-citizenship problems.

The underlying statute refers to any misuse of dual-residence filings to obtain an unwarranted benefit. Examples of the substantive frauds, themselves, range all over the lot.

At the same time, exemptions are also enumerated in code to allow for "snowbird" retirees. The law makers are not trying to be punitive for the sake of such as "severely conservative" ideology. It's not anti-immigrant flailing and we are talking about Massachusetts.

[-] 1 points by joethefarmer (21) 8 years ago

You do not file for residency in Massechucettes. There is no process to do it.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

A residency in Massachusetts is declared while filling in other forms. The application for a driver's license is one example. Like Utah, this process requires surrendering any other state license during a conversion while moving in to Mass.

One problem for Mr. Romney is that no record of a conversion has been found, showing that he converted back from the Utah driver's license to a Massachusetts license. That FOI got nothing.

So now the paperwork will focus on when Mr. Romney renewed his Massachusetts license. Best guess, now, is that Mr. Romney got the Utah driver's license in 1999 and kept his Mass. DL same time. That would have been illegal.

We can expect Mr. Romney to say that he does not remember any of this. Committing a hate-crime gang assault on a gay student at prep school is also something he does not remember -- uniquely for the crowd of students who witnessed the event.

Tax filings also include these declarations of residence in Mass. as well as business licenses. There are numerous exceptions available for such as the titles for cars and boats. Mass. state government does what it can to avoid punishing "snowbird" retirees.

[-] 1 points by joethefarmer (21) 8 years ago

According to the Massachusetts law "there is no process for filing for residency".

According to Massachusetts you can be a resident while holding a drivers license from another state. You do not need to hold a MA license to be a resident:

This is not from some Blog or WIKI or a .com or .org site It is the official secretary of the state "sec.state.ma.us" web site.

You can also legally own houses, cars, boats im many states. There is nothing illegal about that. A lot of people in NY have winter homes in FL or summer homes in MA. My neighbor spends six months in FL every year.

I would imagine that Mitt was driven around when he was Governor and really did not need a license anyway.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Tax filings in Mass. do indeed, as stated, declare state residency. Same for the application for a Mass. driver's license. Same for the Federal Form 1040 series.

This is not rocket science.

While almost anyone can own almost anything in any of the 50 states and the territories, claiming special tax breaks as a state resident does require the associated residency. One state at a time.

Mr. Romney appears to have been a tax-cheat sleaze. And a perjurer in 2002. We will have to see his Federal tax returns form 1999 to 2002 to know exactly which state he declared as his state of residence.

Want a side bet ??? I'm taking Utah and giving the points.

[-] 2 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

If you want something to pass around --


The real IRS Form 1040 A from the Romneys is what settles this matter. Either Mitt Romney was a legal resident of Massachusetts for 1999 to 2002 or he was not.

We do not know what documents he showed the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission in 2002. Those documents will also receive a top priority.

Electing a willful perjurer or a forger to the American presidency has to be unacceptable.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

If you know anyone in MSM - please point them here

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

And why do you not assume that this crook will not be reformed bt being elected president? I'm sure ronnie will remember to trickle down on him. TEAR EM UP - WILLARD !

[-] 1 points by SingleVoice (158) 8 years ago

It appears from the news release below that Romney faced all this back in 2002 and voted in MA in 1999 and 2000. It appears that this was all cleared up in a hearing and the democratic party didn't appeal the decision which I would figure they would if there were any way to prove perjury.

The Hiller Instinct: Romney Residency Thursday, June 6, 2002 Channel 7 News Boston, MA

The Hiller Instinct: Romney Residency

James Roosevelt Jr., MA Democratic Party Lawyer "We have not made a final decision yet. It's beginning to look like we will."

The Democrats point to Romney's house in Utah, which was listed as his primary residence, to support a challenge. They also want to see his tax returns:

Mitt Romney "I lived three years in Utah, it's where my living was day to day, no question about it, that was the job that was required to be in the Olympics, but that does not prevent me from being able to run for governor."

Romney pointed to the property taxes he kept paying on his Belmont home, and Belmont voting records showing he voted there in 1999 and 2000 to prove his intent to be a Bay Stater:

Mitt Romney "In terms of your qualifications to run for governor, the key is this, ‘Did you ever decide not to come back to Massachusetts?’, and I never, ever decided not to come back to Massachusetts."

If Romney says he intended to make Massachusetts his home, then Democrats will have a tough time proving he didn't, and that's what it will take – legally - to knock him off the ballot.

So what the Democrats may be doing is helping Romney as they try to hurt him.

Read more: http://www1.whdh.com/features/articles/hiller/H18/#ixzz1vu4svg1i

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

So why did Romney take the resident's tax reduction in Utah -- can this have been anything but claiming state residence?

And apart from statements, what does the Federal tax return have written down with a signature and the warning about perjury?

And where did he have active driver's licenses in these years?

Words are cheap. What did he write down and sign in 1999-2000-2001 ?

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 8 years ago

If you own property in Utah you have to pay property taxes on it. Declaring that your primary residence is in Massachusetts does not mean you get out of paying taxes in Utah. If he did not pay his Utah taxes I would call him a tax cheat.

Now John Kerry parked his $7million yacht off shore to avoid paying $475,000 in taxes on it. That is not against the law but it sure seems like cheating.

Many people pay taxes in more than one state. If you own any property in another states you have to pay taxes in more than one..

By the way, the Winter Olympics in Utah put the state on the global winter sports map and created a multi billion dollar industry in the state. Hotels have spent billions in the past ten years since the event was held. People are coming to Utah like never before. There are volunteers at very Olympics. Most are from ski and skating clubs. It is wonderful experience for a young figure skater to be able to skate out an pick up flowers off the ice or hand out fliers and meet the skiers.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

The Kerrys' boat has always been moored at Newport Shipyard. Same outfit that designed it and had it built and maintains it. Ted Fontaine and the Hinckley outfit are top notch.

Romney took a discounted tax rate in Utah for years, claiming to be a local resident. That's the $54,000. Same years that he claimed under oath in 2002 to have been a resident of Massachusetts. The Federal tax returns have the final, legally binding residence declarations (under relevant case law.)

Meanwhile, it's nice that the Olympics helped out Utah. But does anybody think that Mitt Romney actually "saved the Olympics" ????? There has to be a limit somewhere to mindless hype. Romney is a money guy, not an operations specialist. Always has been.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 8 years ago

They started planning the Utah Olympics in the 1960s. I doubt Romney had all that much to do with it.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Romney did good work for the Winter Olympics. He came in as "Mr. Clean" after a scandal and freed up corporate contributions while helping lobby for $300-million in extra public investment.

I think that the people and the companies that put in the actual money are the ones who "saved" the 2002 Winter Olympics. He helped.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Initial connections to the Ballot Law Commission were unsuccessful. No response to the simple approach of sending a request for the list of documents.

This will require local support, likely from a legal office.

Finding that connection might take another week.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Doonesbury is tearing The Mittster a new one for his dishonesty relative to his attack on John Lauber. This is in its third day.


Mitt the Angel is catching a small part of what he's due for denying a hate crime.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Google Update Test.

8:00 AM PDT, Sunday, May 20th.


[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Here comes The Guardian !


Wimpy lying-about-Keystone-jobs ad from Romney resurrects the issues that call attention to his dishonesties.

This guy is far from presidential material.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Question: where did Mitt Romney register and vote in 2000 ?

[-] 1 points by chrischrischris (143) 8 years ago

This post cracked me up. You have no idea why he did what he did. You also have no idea how a tax return works. "Took deductions to get an added $54,000 in money." Nope. Not how deductions work. The address line on the 1040 has nothing to do with your residency state. This whole post is so riddled with bullshit it hurts.

You can jump of your conspiracy horse, now.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

The 1040 lines are your declaration of residence for a given year under Federal law.

-- "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this return and, to the best of my knowledge and belief, it is true, correct and accurately lists all amounts and sources of income I received during the tax year."

There's plenty in the way of precedent. The "true, correct" swearing applies to your name and your address.

[-] 2 points by chrischrischris (143) 8 years ago

Sure, you mark your current address. Not your home state for the year being filed.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Which periods overlapped for the years 1998-2002. The filing date on each IRS 1040 declares the residence at that time.

-- Romney's 1999 filing of an IRS 1040 for his 1998 income declares his residence as of the signing date in 1999.

-- His 2000 filing for 1999 income declares his residence as of the signing date in 2000.

-- His 2001 filing for 2000 income declares his residence as of the signing date in 2001.

-- His 2002 filing for 2001 income declares his residence as of the signing date in 2002.

We studied this "overlap" thingie for doing dates when my daughter went through 4th Grade. She had trouble with it. Severe mathophobia, extending to the portal at Khan Academy.

If the declared residence on any one of these Federal 1040 forms from 1999 through 2002 lies outside of Massachusetts, then Mr. Romney is a perjurer. He would have broken the laws of Massachusetts and lied about it under oath during the 2002 deposition before the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission.

Why should such criminality by a Wall Street multimillionaire not surprise us ?

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Massachusetts Constitution (reflecting amendments that eliminated ownership of property and Christian religion.)


The Governor

Article I. There shall be a supreme executive magistrate, who shall be styled, The Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; and whose title shall be -- His Excellency.

Article II. The governor shall be chosen [now every four years]; and no person shall be eligible to this office, unless at the time of his election, he shall have been an inhabitant of this commonwealth for seven years next preceding;....

Seven years.

Where did Mitt Romney file his Federal tax returns 1998-2001 ??? Turns out that it does matter. Faking residency is a hard core element for election fraud. Tax fraud also matters.

[-] 1 points by cooperbl (-88) 8 years ago

Tax fraud matters? Does that also apply to geithner and rangel?

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Imagine Geithner or Rangel trying to run for president.

The older folks will remember the "New Nixon" fantasy. That SOB was such a sleaze that corporate press had to invent a no-death reincarnation for the 1968 election cycle.

Romney is Nixon without the brains.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

If he wasnt a criminal or willing to support criminal activities, he wouldnt have gottne the nod from these two corporate parties.

[-] 0 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

If you believe that all politicians in a democracy are criminals, then you don't put much value to that democracy.

The Republicans produce Nixon, Romney and the Bushes. Democrats give us Truman, Carter, Clinton and Obama.

And yes, Johnson was a damn fool. And Ike and Ford were pretty good. But the overall difference between the parties stands out like a lightning bolt in a thunderstorm. Today's party-pro GOPers are fascists.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

I think you are probably a little biased towards Democrats, because the legislation that Clinton passed with repeal of Glass Steagall and allowing for creation of Credit Defualt Swaps can be directly tied to the meltdown. Raw FAsist policy.

And dont even get me started with O-bomb-ya. And yes, the R ones you listed were horrendous too. PRetty much you have to go to pre 1980 to find a decent president.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Republicans "passed" the Glass-Steagall repeal. Clinton signed it, clearly believing the hype that the bill amounted to a technical reform related to electronic transactions. Clinton accomplished a good economy, no crazy wars and minimal support for hate-driven social policies. Good president.

Accurate history is hard to come by if you rely on corporate sources. Also, today, I saw Peggy Noonan on the teevee. She was pitiful compared to when she was best friends in the White House with the Reagans.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

You realize Clinton is a Bush guy, right?

And if you think he simply misunderstood what repealing the legislation that was passed after the great depression meant, then you are really hooked into this l vs r, good vs bad, media sensationalism. He also allowed the development of Default swaps, and bombed quite a few nations himself.

When these two parties are finally done, and the people get a say again, history is giong to wonder how we were duped for so long,

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Got the impression he liked head more than bush....

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

LOL - except for his cigar.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

i heard fettish of individuals and snooping

[-] 1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 8 years ago

Do you have a link to this info?

[-] 2 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Links above. We'll dig down on this one. The driver's license issue was missed by everybody in 2002.

If Romney didn't surrender his Massachusetts license when he got his Utah license, he could have used it in 2002 to fake out the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission. There had to be something to mislead them. something tangible.

Hopefully there's a transcript.