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Forum Post: Romney / Ryan guilty of bribery? It looks that way.

Posted 7 years ago on April 3, 2012, 10:35 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Wisconsin law forbids giving ANYTHING [ over $1.00 ]
to encourage voters to come vote for you and
they held a voting event today and gave away $5.00 sandwiches.

When Wisconsin rep ryan was con fronted with this,
he ( after running in a dozen elections ) claimed he did not know
about this law



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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

It's not just the criminality of this - you can esily find the video of them both giving out sandwiches - it is the stupidity of the obviously illegal action.
It brought to mind shrub's stupidity of rubbing Merkle's back

Heres the 2014 headline - president romney meets with president putin and rubs his back - putin decks romney - world war three starts Or he will give out ham and cheese subs to his mid-east peace conference

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 7 years ago

can you provide a source for this story? I googled it any number of ways and found nothing.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

I saw the video on TV news - both of these Rs handing out sandwiches.
Give me a few minutes - I will try to find it. here: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-subgate-democrats-accuse-romney-of-sandwich-bribery-video-20120403,0,2012178.story

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 7 years ago

"The only problem with Democrats' contention? There was no explicit exchange of a promise to vote for the sandwiches, nor was there any requirement from Romney’s campaign for individuals to prove that they had already voted in his favor. " http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-subgate-democrats-accuse-romney-of-sandwich-bribery-video-20120403,0,2012178.story

[-] 0 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

I think you can easily argue that the true value of the sandwiches is probably much less than $1 when you consider what the ingredients likely cost to someone buying them in bulk.

This is pure partisan political nonsense and I would bet most people interested in Occupy are likely above it.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

so if I give you a Rolls Royce, you can set the value at $1000 worth of metal, $100 of glass and $200 of leather, and $200 of plastic and rubber?
If I rob a bank of $10,000, I value it as $4.55 of paper?

Your "argument" is very cute

I guess my real issue here is not the illegal bribery, or even the stupidity of candidates who don't know the law It is the CONSPICUOUS expression of the powerful who know they can get away with anything.

This may seem OT - but it is not.
Part of Scott Walker's legislation included a little publicized item:
It gave the governor the right to sell state energy plants to anyone
at a price solely set by the governor.
Any guess why he took a call from koch?
This INSANE law is in the law - a CONSPICUOUS expression
of the powerful who know they can get away with anything.


[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

Since it is a crime, and I've heard Wisconsin is tough on this stuff, we will see
I do not believe ANYONE is guilty because they are a member of a party.


[-] 0 points by Ludog5678 (28) 7 years ago

Oh god dam handing out sandwiches. All of those people are now going to vote Romney/Rand over 5$ sandwiches.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

It's illegal.

Will you say the same thing about shoplifter who only took a small cheap item?

Isn't it the "wrong wing", who for years was considered the law and order party?

Why yes, it is.

So it's only orderly, when they break the law?

[-] 0 points by Ludog5678 (28) 7 years ago

Fine him then he broke the law.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Ban them both from ever running for ANY office, ever again.

These are law makers after all and they are the ones who should know the law and follow it.

They are not innocent little girls.

[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago

Don't they know that you can only get away with this in a Washington?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

I am sure that they don't give $5.00 sandwiches in Washington

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago

Until this year it was $2500. checks at those cute little mixers they have almost every day. Amazing how many of those they can hit in a day. They still do them but they are completely overshadowed by the new Super Pac Party functions where real money exercises electronic transfer mechanisms to the max.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

Get rid of the super-pacs
Because of the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant,
without FIRST ending corporate personhood.
Because 83% of Americans already agree on it - we don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals.
Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal –
jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success

Our current project is developing and implementing,
a voting bloc petition to create voter support for candidates throughout the country.
We want to vote for candidates who pledge to support a Constitutional Amendment that includes:

Overturning the 2010 Citizens United Supreme Court decision which enabled the flood of secret money that is drowning our political system,
Overturning the 1976 Buckley Supreme Court decision which equates money and speech,
Eradicating the corporate personhood rights invented in the courts that
have enabled corporations to buy our democracy,
Supports campaign finance reform to level the playing field for all candidates.

The People For the American Way found 74% of Americans
want to vote for candidates who support an amendment.

Koch and the tea party and ALEC have the money –
and the government –
and they use them.

We have the people -
and the vote –
and we must use them

Join the our NYC
Corporations are not People and Money is not Speech Working Group
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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago

I couldn't agree with you more. Common Cause is pushing the SEC to force disclosure of the contributors to these Super PAC's that are corporations, including the Chamber of Commerce." "The SEC can do something about the fact that money is taking over the political process," said Bill de Blasio, the public advocate for New York City. "They can force publicly traded corporations to disclose their political spending. It's not a lot to ask to simply disclose what they're doing. The SEC has the power, but the SEC is not using the power." "The SEC, for its part, has the authority to write a regulation expanding the required disclosures made by publicly traded companies." One SEC commissioner, Luis Aguilar, has already endorsed the idea, stating, "Unfortunately, there is no comprehensive system of disclosure related to corporate political expenditures -- and that failure results in investors being deprived of uniform, reliable, and consistent disclosure regarding the political expenditures of the companies they own." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/citizens-united-reform-corporations-political-spending-sec_n_1380094.html