Forum Post: Rocky Anderson: an Interview
Posted 10 years ago on Aug. 27, 2012, 11:39 a.m. EST by shoozTroll
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Here's one for the duopoly believers.
Rocky's not a bad guy at all and I like what he has to say.
I think you will too.
The challenge, is to find a way to get him into the national debates.
Perhaps an email and twitter campaign to the commission will do the trick?
Please sign a petition to allow the third party candidate, Rocky Anderson, to participate in the Presidential debates
Done. His name sounding so much like Roky Erickson only sweetens the deal.
So you don't think corporations and banks fund the leading candidates?
Have you ever noticed the most funded almost always make the top 2? Especially in most recent history.
That has everything to do with the cost of effective propaganda.
How else do you explain forced creationism?
Plus you really do have to tie it all in with Reagan's repeal of the Fairness doctrine.
It was an important step that is being glossed over.
You can tie a lot to Reagan. He was a puppet working for his sponsors. You can tie the creation of the Taliban and Al Qaeda to ignorant Reagan era foreign policy.
You can trace those things back to the Eisenhower administration, if you care to.
The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine really did pave the road for so many of things going wrong today.
Damnit! I was gonna post that yesterday but had a pressing matter to tend to.
General, Senator, Governor.
These are the positions for becoming president aside from being a vice-president.
If a person running for president hasn't demonstrated the local support for becoming a governor or senator, and doesn't have the billions of Ross Perot, why would a nationwide majority support them for becoming a president?
Pesidential history has shown the step that must be taken to obtain public approval for the presidency. Third parties need to take that step into consideration no matter how needless it may seem.
They are simply being priced out of the "political marketplace".
It all goes hand in hand with Reagan's repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.
Other voices, can no longer afford the price of entry in purely for profit communication networks.
Rocky is definitely someone who should be considered since his views match Occupy's so closely.
My point is that people like Anderson and Stein, need to be heard in the debates.
They are indeed legitimate candidates whose voices should be heard.
Most of "middle America" has never heard of them.
I completely agree.
My fear is that with citizens united, it's only going to get worse, going forward.
It will be the monied interests pushing the illusion of duopoly.
Duopoly is no illusion.
OK. then you reconcile it with all the racism, teaching of creationism, and all the rest.
Because it just doesn't fall into place for me in the duopoly paradigm.
It leaves far too many influences out, and just plain doesn't apply Worldwide..
When both parties unite against our freedoms and the worlds freedoms as they did by passing the patriot act, NDAA, and wars across the globe, I only see one beast.
Then your vision is 2 dimensional and a bit myopic.
You didn't reconcile a thing either.
Things are not always what they appear to be.
A democrat shill here to tell us that Occupy is wrong in assuming that the government system is broke because Obama will save the day.
This is why I know you are not who you have claimed to be.
If only because, I've never said such a thing.
And threshy? At least he could make sense once in a while.
"It" could be vvvRustyButtheadBrucie. I get the 2 of em mixed up all the time.
Could be any number of banned bozos.
I'm not going to play the guessing game over it though.
This one, did claim to be threshy, and threshy and I went round and round quite a few times, at least enough to know that this is not he.
Guess it don't really matter one way or the other - just the average pain in the ass troll when it gets to the bottom line.
shooz, would you please explain what you mean by the "illusion of duopoly"?
The illusion is created by the neolibe(R)arians, to create false distrust in government.
To take a natural, healthy distrust, and push it to extremes.
Meanwhile, they are blowing the tops off of mountains, poisoning air, water, food and anything else they want to, while we just sit and BITCH about the government.
Okay, but why do you consider it an illusion that there is two party domination?
Because there is at least one other faction that is involved.
Just because it hides among the existing parties doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
No doubt there are other behind the scenes factions, (in fact monopoly may be a more accurate term for the reality), but the term "duopoly", as I understand it, refers to the domination of the electoral area by the two major political parties There is no other political party which has the power of the R's & D's.
The term also implies a sameness that is missing from the reality.
It's misleading, in that way.
That's my point. It's an illusion, convenient only to the propaganda of the term.
Thanks for clarifying.
I would watch the debates if they had real candidates
I'll probably watch them anyway, but I would sure find them more informative if other points of view were not only allowed, but encouraged.
why not get the debate questions and have the other candidates immediately handle them on the net ?
the broadcast could would widen the field and change the conversation
Anything is better than what we are going to get.
Those voices need to be heard too.
and I think the third parties can put on a good show
If they get heard, what they have to say will be the subject of polls, and if those ideas poll well, even the major parties will take notice and adjust accordingly.
That's how it's supposed to work.
I don't see the email address of the commission.
Is there an alternate place to email that would help, and add it to your post.
Rocky is concerned with saving the planet and it's systems, even us, from being devoured by the global corporations.
His long held understanding and leadership in working on these issues and that the people want and need a new direction and healthy positive vision for real change, demonstrate a need of a real choice who can represent us effectively.
From the Debate website:
The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.
So Rocky would need at least a 15% share of the voters to qualify for the debate. Because most have already chosen the lesser of two evils, the possible good candidate will never get a chance to be heard.
If he were allowed in the debate, he would easily garner 15% support. That's why they keep him out.
The whole system is based on exclusion. Modification is definitely needed here.
That seems like a fair policy. Good post!
The criticism is not lost on me either. It is one thing to be forced to vote for the lesser evil; it is a whole other thing to champion it.
It would be refreshing to get some new affiliations and interests represented during the debates.
Sounds impossible, to get to 15 percent, but if people begin now.
Target youth vote: it is for their future. start putting the tag on your emails, voter reg, 3rd party vote petition. word of mouth, stand on street with wireless device and get voters to register to vote and sign 3rd party debate petition.
Someone make a youtube, requesting people sign 3rd party petitions. most everyone has a phone, email, twitter,
Please sign a petition to allow the third party candidate, Rocky Anderson, to participate in the Presidential debates
http://www.rockthevote.org/ register to vote
if occupy has support of 1 percent now, just 14 percent to go. We are 99 percent, so it is just math. It is doable.
I don't know if it is advocating a candidate if you are advocating for a candidate to be in a debate. You just want complete knowledge and information, before making a choice.
My next occupy sign will be "honk once if Republican, twice if Democrat, and three times if you're fed up with both! And below that, "Break out of the two party rut!
40% of registered voters are Independent. It would be so simple to get a non duopoly candidate elected if people could let go of that "lesser of two evils" mindset. My brother will be voting for Romney even though he can't stand him. Reason. He hates Obama even more.
The "lesser of two evils" mantra is the lynch pin of what must be fought. What underlies the argument is fear. Fear so great that the election of the other candidate would result in the worst possible outcome. If we can figure out a way to defeat that fear, the rest will be easy.
The closest thing I can find so far, is an address in DC.
District of Columbia Board of Elections and Ethics 441 4th NW - Suite 250 Washington, DC 20001 (202) 727-2525
It's kind of like they don't like hearing from us little people.
If I can find something else, I'll post it.
Nice post. Rocky would be a real game changer.
See. I'm not a total putz.............:)
I fully back every opinion I've offered in this thread.
I'll add this.
We need to get the money out, and we need to get the burgeoning media fully back in service to the public.
I will back you on this 100% in return haha. Is this a trap?
Not at all, unless you want to argue about the details..........:)
Perhaps it would be wise to re-institute the list of demands.
Just these two things being done, would take care of the lions share of what was on the list before it was dropped.
"I've had infinitely more management and executive experience than someone like Barack Obama before he was elected to the White House." Rocky Anderson. If that is all he has; he ain't got much...
I'm not saying I back anyone in particular.
I'm saying I want their voices to be heard on a national stage once again.
As they should be
When the system works as well as it can, even those that don't get elected can have an effect and an affect on the national discourse and course of action.
Thanks shooz - I will have to read it later - it is late and my eyes are starting to cross - Good Night.
YES. If we hadn't spent the last 30 plus years voting for only rep or dem we w(uld not have lost our representation in government. People complain about the lack of choices while blindly voting for their team.
Yes.....the whole thing began to go sideways when Reagan repealed the Fairness Doctrine.
That's what really turned a political carnival into a two ring CIRCUS.
One of the points I'm trying to get across, is that if you accept the fact that corporations have undue influence, that makes it at least a triopoly.
The duopoly paradigm is just to simplistic to work well.
Yeah, they think that, but they have yet to prove it, and lord knows I've asked them enough times.
Mostly when I push the question, they come up with stuff like duopoly.
Like it means there is no need to think beyond that.
The president has a lot of power which is not dependent on Congress. Elect Rocky and he will end the wars. His justice department will prosecute banksters. He will drop the appeal on NDAA.
The NDAA was challenged in federal court and the section 1021 found unconstitutional and the judge issued an injunction barring its enforcement. Obama has appealed that ruling. The president has the power to drop the appeal and let the injunction stand. This would have no effect on funding.
State authorities cannot prosecute federal crimes, - and most crimes involving banking and securities are only federal crimes. That is beside the point anyway. The president has the power to prosecute without any approval of congress.
The president could stop prosecuting Bradley Manning and release him.
The president can also end the wars. Today.