Forum Post: Rise Up Or Die!
Posted 10 years ago on May 20, 2013, 2:51 a.m. EST by RiseUpOrDie
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Rise Up Or Die -- Chris Hedges
"Rebel. Even if you fail, even if we all fail, we will have asserted against the corporate forces of exploitation and death our ultimate dignity as human beings. We will have defended what is sacred. Rebellion means steadfast defiance. It means resisting just as have Bradley Manning and Julian Assange, just as has Mumia Abu-Jamal, the radical journalist whom Cornel West, James Cone and I visited in prison last week in Frackville, Pa. It means refusing to succumb to fear. It means refusing to surrender, even if you find yourself, like Manning and Abu-Jamal, caged like an animal. It means saying no..."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/rise_up_or_die_20130519/
reposting the full text with interview. too powerful.
We are too weak for rebellion - We live in Peace! Believe also in me....
Lauryn HIll ~ Neurotic Society ~ Lyrics On Screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl0u_m0TeB4
I'm especially getting tired of chris hedges global warming rants. He seems more and more like an opportunist rather than someone who actually gives a shit. he seems to be using every empathic gambit he can find, from native americans (who btw. were slave traders and nearly extincted the buffalo) to basically everything that is in the public sentiment to bolster his following. When he speaks about banks vs people there's a lot of truth to that but he seems to just go full out full spectrum to rally as many people as he can around his banner. And quite frankly i'd put noam chomsky in the same category, i'm really getting tired of them both, noam more than hedges though. They're acting like ringers, but they took the opportunity to make themselves relevant through this kind of thing.. And the two of them combined, which is sad.. are saying some parts that are just absolutely spot on, but the other part is just so full of shit that it makes you cringe..
Hedges, an "opportunist"? And what might we label you?
~Odin~
someone who doesn't want the lambs being lead to the slaughter.
you're taking it as if i critize everything he's ever said or stood for.. no, he's said some very well put things and is very astute in what he talks about. it just seems lately he's shifted gears a little bit towards being a bit more lenient towards a violent uprising.. And i don't think that will pan well for the people in general..
Invoking things like the indian holochaust and shit like that, i doubt that's necessary or even appropriate.. this has nothing to do with racial warfare but about peoples rights and accountability aswell as a sound exchange of people in power? One doesn't sound like the other..
Anyone taking part in non violent direct actions is not "a lamb being led to slaughter"
Everyone has to make up their own minds, but at this point in time, as i see it there is little else we can do
As more and more people get the feeling of empowerment, these actions/protests will be more powerful
~Odin~
sure as long as it remains non violent but it's much more important for people to think for themselves than to pick a new philosophical leader like hedges or chomsky. One flew out of the cookoo's nest and into the next best cage?
Especially those invoking racial segregatory remarks and/or inflamatory calls to violence. And to stay far away from those groups who do such a thing. Especially anti white groups like la raza etc., yeah i said it.. they are far more of those type of groups than there are delusional white supremacists.. and hedges seems to be aligning with them, and the elite are using these groups to facilitate their agenda in the US. That's why i'm becoming increasingly sceptical about him. Because if this is going to matter whatsoever, we have to be in the same boat, not to overthrow the "white man".
I guess my question to you is why you are not batting an eyelash about it?
but i have to say that hedges is a very well spoken guy and it's a pleasure to read and/or listen to what he has to say.. Don't get me wrong i'm not trying to divert or distort anything he's representing.. And he's really on the spot with a lot of it.
In all honesty, I'm a bit skeptical about you
I do not pretend to be an intellectual, but i have no trouble processing information and drawing logical conclusions
And long before i read Hedges, I knew that we were in a very precarious situation that could not be solved by traditional mehtods
Your extrapolating his writings out of context into trying to convince us that he is a hate monger is amusing to me, and it speaks volumes
No matter what Hedges says or does though, this struggle is far bigger than him, and eventually it will end up in the streets
~Odin~
*You're ridiculous in trying to say that i'm somehow trying to decieve people. I'm voicing my oppinion find someone else to lead your conquest. I expect people to think for themselves. I certainly do not mean to obstruct anything. It's great that so many people are waking up but in that process there's a risk of severe radicalization that you seem oblivious to. Who funds the whole la raza conquista for instance.. rockefeller foundation.. do you think they care about peoples wellbeing, no they're fostering a confrontation.
I never said he was a hate monger, i said he was being opportunist to promote himself rather than the cause. And that i was sceptical about the classification he's been engaged in. I also said that he was an eloquent speaker and was right about a lot of what he was saying.. If i'm not a complete fanboi and have an inkling of critical thought does that mean i should be "shamed" here, oh please? get over yourself chris hedges is no sacred cow by any margin.. and noam chomsky damn well isn't either.
"No matter what Hedges says or does though, this struggle is far bigger than him, and eventually it will end up in the streets"
that's what i'm concerned about. And this struggle shouldn't be anything violent or racially motivated, do we agree on that.
Our struggle will be "racially motivated" in terms of inclusiveness, healing and acceptance
This is a non-violent struggle and it is a radical one in terms of not going through the traditional channels of grievance and redress as that system broke down long ago
We have awoken to the realization of how the 1% has used divisions to further their agenda, and now you seem to be picking up their baton
Anyway, much of what you rag on about is just a bunch of phooey in which you search hard for something that could be ambiguous and then snowball it into something nefarious
~Odin~
More effective than Assange, Lakin and Manning because our future resides in legal, peaceful revolution.
Article V The revolution every 20 years that Jefferson envisioned. We've been ripped off for 100 years. In 1911, 31 states of 48 applied for a convention, but congress violated the law, the constitution and their oath.
Congress did that for reasons. To enable a major infiltration of the US government, including states. To protect the status of corporate personhood, to move from the gold standard to fiat money. Many reasons which ART5 would have interupted.
Wow, does this mean even one of these great invisible men of the left would come down off their high horse and condescend to talk to us little people down here?
I don't know about you, but I'm sick of the great invisible egos, the insiders, the cliqueish populist elitists that pass for leaders of the American left!
If Chris Hedges wants to say something then let him fucking come here and say it himself. Same for Noam Chomsky and the rest of them. I'm tired of this reverence for those who won't even lower themselves to talk to real people, at all, ever!
These aren't populist leaders, they're little preeners basking in a completely unwarrented celebrity.
Who the hell is Chris Hedges to tell us Rise Up or Die! I don't believe he's ever risen for anything more than a good breakfast!
I'll tell you what, we don't have any leaders, just arm chair radicals and gutless academics.
PLLLLIIIFFFFFT!!!
there are those committed to the struggle and those who have been for decades. apathy is the opiate of the masses and it is dispensed liberally. what are you looking for a person, a party?
Whatever it is I'm looking for I'm not seeing it . . . anywhere.
ahhh i know what you need. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mt3FCaJkF8
And when have you?
The bullshit meter rises if people urge others to rise up through violent means. Because that's exactly what the establishment wants and has been preparing to fight. So they can label all who oppose as terrorist dissidents.
Anyone who does that is an absolute shill. They're sending you in prison by doing so.
Got that right. Rise Up or Die is a tool.
The "great leaders" are posturers, drinking up praise with their very nice wines, paid for by public universities, which haven't done a damned thing for the common American in decades.
So where does that all leave us all folks . . . where?
Actually that description fits a lot of posters here. Don’t you think?
especially you, conformist.
That description fits the deplorable situation for the common American. I don't know the answer, but we had better look facts in the eye. You tell me where we go from here.
I'm going to ground.
Buy guns, lots of ammo. Learn to live off the grid. Doom is upon us.
Sorry for the drama, couldn't help myself.