Forum Post: Rightwingers Advised to Invest in Water as Fracking in Drought Areas Prompts Activism
Posted 6 months ago on July 18, 2014, 1:04 a.m. EST by shoozTroll
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"As a historic drought grips the U.S. southwest, towns in Texas and California are taking action to make sure precious fresh water is not wasted and spoiled through fracking.
At the same time, some investment advisors are urging right-wingers at the annual libertarian "Freedom Fest" to view drought and skyrocketing water prices as a major investment opportunity."
Ahh yes, a "libe(R)tarian freedom fest" reaction to environmental activism.
Privatize the water that's left.
At least like Zizek, Chomsky and Hartmann, some people are learning to identify the real problem.
Right wingers are busy in unity against Gaza right now.
Watch them all parrot the same thigns Shooz and ZD say.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/18/israel-launches-ground-operation-in-gaza-strip/
Might find a few "fuckin towel head" comments like Zenmutt likes to say. Zen he is definitely not. Just another nasty old bastard.
Sawant on Detroit/Water grab.
http://interoccupy.net/blog/detroit-water-rights-and-the-faulty-logic-of-capitalism/
(Many comments from you on this thread. NONE about the critical topic. Why's that?)
Sawant Rocks !!! Good & Important link !! But don't go needling like snooz does just because 'tc' really does give a fk about Palestinians ! Also fyi, some other people in water crisis like the people of Detroit :
http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/302 ;
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/07/16-5 ;
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4544296,00.html ;
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/30/water-crisis-gaza & ...
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/30/gaza-looming-water-crisis-friends-earth
Finally, please note the actual dates of these articles and their sources, if not their content !! Thanx.
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
Nice connection to your preferred topic. I did see the anti isreal threads you can post them on.
I support water for ALL, including Palestinians. & well aware of the ongoing crises in the middle east.
Back on topic.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/07/18/3461849/detroit-water-activists/
Grow that movement for the sake of all.
''DETROIT, MI — “I feel like I’m in a nightmare.” !!! Water Is A BIG Deal For All The 99% !! Irrespective of where we are ! I have many ''preferred topic(s)'' & you should know that .. but yes, The Palestinian Plight does focus my thoughts particularly right now, but thanx very much for your rather excellent links above.
I'm gonna tweet it and of course draw parallels to Gaza with a '#' when I do. Thanx. Solidarity but it is interesting that you use the phrase ''anti israel threads'' - when they are really Pro Justice & Fairness.
Perhaps you too see it as a 'zero sum game' of sorts ? It's NOT. We are with and for - The 99% or we are not. No Racial Distinctions ; No Racial Exclusivism ; No Exceptionalism ; No Supremacism & fyi :
Yes ''Grow that (water) movement for the sake of all'' - Bueno ! Solidaridad Siempre !! Y Viva Palestina !!!
paz y luz amigo ...
All your good efforts are appreciated.
Cheerio
Thanx. See additional paragraphs :-) I owe you many replies elsewhere on other threads. They will be forthcoming for sure later on but I have been a bit distracted lately.
pax et lux ; nunc et semper ; hic et ubique ...
Good reporting on what seems small, but will (& must) grow.
No worries on the responses, Love to have 'em, but won't take it personally if you can't.
Live! From Detroit :
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2014/07/live-from-detroit-keynote-with-debbie-stabenow-mark-schauer.html
Netroots : a likeminded org pushing the country left
If I comment on Detroit, our resident professional 'Michiganonanian' may pop a gasket right now, so I'll limit myself to recommending your excellent link on this very important matter to any and all readers !!!
fiat lux ...
Join the fight against right wing libertarian corp oligarchs who want to privatize Detroits water, & anything else they can get their greedy, lazy claws on.
The front line of people against corps. 99% vs 1%.
"life or death" baby.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/detroit-water-shutoff-life-or-death
I stand with the people of Detroit. I have no concern about others gaskets.
Stand with Detroit, gaskets will blow but we like opposition gaskets blowing. Means we're on the right track.
Trashy my good man, you know less about Detroit, than you do about the UK.
All you've ever provided on either subject has been unfettered conspiracy theory.
Completely free of factual information. As is your wont.
--Caveat emptor--
On your every comment
Other than 'removing' comments and empty, vacuous ad hominems - you have nothing because there is nothing and if there was, you should have put up some links. So go ahead now and take your best shot. You are hung on your own petard now snooz and I need say nothing more to you or about you - tho' no doubt I will ...
fallaces sunt rerum species ...
Trashy my good man your should stop ignoring the influence of libe(R)tarians in your own neighborhood.
And my God man, don't use Gaza as an excuse to do so.
http://www.occupy.com/article/exposed-leaks-patient-data-reveal-uks-%E2%80%9Cstealth%E2%80%9D-privatization-national-health-system
On your words you need print---caveat emptor---
So how's life in the cabal treating you?
Holy Crock O' Shit snooz !!! I'm NOT your ''God man'', u fkn freak !! Repent your sins now !
http://mondoweiss.net/israel-palestine/gaza & also try to read,digest and consider :
http://dancingwithpalestinians.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/a-brief-history-of-gaza/ .&.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25073-human-catastrophe-at-gazas-hospitals ~{~
minima maxima sunt ...
My, my, my trashy, my not so good man.
You still haven't responded to the Israeli Blue swastikas.
(circular thread links don't count)
Of course you don't respond much at all to events in the UK.
Kind of like you're somewhere else.
And of course.....
That's where the
----caveat emptor---
Comes into play.
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Right wing Detroit Water grab upd:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25099-thirsting-for-democracy-in-detroit-activists-resist-water-service-shutoffs-wall-street-and-privatization
FYI
Talkin to YOU!
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/military-device-detroit-protest-water-shutoffs/
When the state is using military weapons against the people on a regular basis, and the people are told their only other option is to privatize in the hands of the very same people, there is only one solution:
Step up and start leading. If they don't that water will be wholly owned privately by the end of the year.
Definitely must be a "public utility".
No privatization.
Gotta keep the pressure on the right wing, extremist, conservative libertarians who worship privatization.
And we must support all progressive efforts to prevent that grab.
It's the only way.
Pandering to the politicians is going to get you what you have right now.
Their water is not going to get turned off, they arent putting their necks out for things that dont affect em. They are politicians, creatures of opportunity and the desire to be famous/important.
Politics; show business for the ugly.
Why keep pandering to them instead of just take it over? Clearly the ones who are being pandered to dont care or dont have the stones to do anything, or it would have changed, right? Has a single politician gone to jail over this, for protesting and being too crazy? I doubt it.
Public servants who are not willing to sacrifice their jobs to make a point are worthless.
Your personal attack that I am "pandering to the politicians" is unfounded and again illustrates the weakness of your position on the substance of the issue. I didn't even mention politicians/elections)
I suggest protest,in the streets to pressure the powers that be (and their libertarian privatization worshiping pol puppets) to serve the people.
I certainly do not recommend giving up the right to vote but I know we must fight house to house, hand to hand, in the street.
It's the only way to stop the corporatist libertarians and their right wing political puppets.
Thats not a comment on you, thats a comment on society, and in regards to their beliefs of things like this:
"Gotta keep the pressure on the right wing, extremist, conservative libertarians who worship privatization. And we must support all progressive efforts to prevent that grab."
You are far from the only one who believes that is the core element of managing a society.
People can say that its insane to talk about taking it over, but really, at this point, what other choice is there?
The thing is, its going to happen eventually. People can only be pushed so far, and when you start to get to a point where they don;t have the basics of life, and there is enough of them to organize, thats when revolution happens. Its happened all throughout history and it will happen again.
Definitely MUST take it over. We can then utilize the peoples government (not beholden to oligarch privatizers),
Sounds like a plan.
(best to avoid violent revolution (as the history you refer to suggests) as that would be deadly for the poorest among us mostly.)
Personally I would prefer to not put it into a government body, where is it will then be tied to everything.
Water is one of the most important aspects to our lives. Take it out of the government, run it how it is now, and don't sell the rights to a private company. Bakunin was one that always pushed for this type of management of society- dividing the essentials up into administrative cabinets etc - among other obvious but great ideas. Extremely decentralized, extremely powerful for the surrounding population,and extremely efficient.
City water svcs should be locally centralized and remain public so as to prevent any citizen from being treated unfairly, and to acheive adequate efficiencies.
In Detroit the water svcs have fallen into the hands of those who represent privatization.
The people are no longer represented, only corporations are.
When you want to tie it to everything else, via "government" it is no longer its own body, its tied to the machine with a thousand strings, and hence will operate accordingly. I do like the term "locally centralized", perhaps if we framed the decentralization argument that way, people wouldn't be so confused. (Im not going to touch the government and fair treatment of workers issue, because we all know who great government is at being fair).
Detroit isnt so much an example of something falling, as much as it the ones that previously held it, simply letting go.
If the people take it back, and then plug it right back into the same system it is currently in now, well, congrats on coming full circle.
Is it possible to envision a scenario where the public owned something, without the government's intrusion? This is a stretch for most Americans to think like this. But just remember:
Another world is possible.
Detroit is an example of corp/oligarchs raping a city.
I support public ownership, as long the people control the necessary governance.
Decentralization is absolutely NOT the goal regarding water services.
We're in this together, & you're not on your own.
We will share water (& all resources) equally because the people will govern the services fairly.
Why would you want essential things like water being tied to the other 1000 aspects of government? I mean, you saw what happened when people tried to simply protest the state for the most horrific crimes of the century, right?
Locally centralized= decentralized (by most people's views). Its just a matter of how much political power and influence do want tied to something as basic as water? There is something called elasticity in things, of which water has very little wiggle room.
The physical aspects of most water works are already decentralized, each community having one. Its just the political ties and influence that are not, because its tied to this horrific concept of government.
Take that out of the mix, and this situation in Detroit would not be happening at all.
"Why would you want essential things like water being tied to the other 1000 aspects of government?"
I don't. Didn't say it. Didn't think it.
You made that up because you can't argue against my actual position honestly.
Do you know what a strawman argument is? Please look it up.
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Water grab update:
http://truth-out.org/news/item/25062-water-rights-march-in-detroit
Sci fi military tactics against peaceful protesters
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/21/1315395/-Military-device-used-on-Detroit-protest-against-WaterShutoffs?detail=email
People must grow this protest!
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/25074-direct-action-to-survive-in-detroit
Only way stop the right wingers nefarious efforts in Detroit (& Gaza!)
Protest, Vote. Repeat
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FLAKESnews??
Really?
You should have stuck with the links you find at prisonplanet. (or maybe that's where you found that one?)
It's more your style.
zerohedge maybe, or lewrockwell?
not so far from George Rockwell in reality.
Ya FOX, that article was posted to show how it sounds just like you two.
Guess the truth hurts eh?
A bunch of rabid pro war Arab bashing jack asses.
FLAKESnews definitely made you flakier.
You rabid racist.
LIAR..
Fuck your puppets and bot friends.
I've seen personally what a libe(R)tarian named Engler did to Detroit.
You were silent.
You couldn't even say the name.
Parts of it have looked like a war zone for years now.
The libe(R)tarians want to shut off some people's water now.
You were completely silent.
Shove your bullshit and lies.
Shove them now.
Why don't you try throwing your accusations of racism at the guy who was just calling Arabs "fuckin towel heads"...
Cronyism. A terrible, terrible thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk
He didn't post links to the John Birch Society, or Alex Jones.
You did.
Now I find out you've been antagonizing him via PM.
Have you no personal honor?
Your cronies have been attacking me ever since I reacted to your cronies attack on other forum members.
So please institute a little personal honor.
Considering the length of time that attack has been going on.
you win the terrible thing category.
I will torment racists until Im dead. Everyone has known this about him, except for you, and now the proof is right in front of you, and still you defend him.
If you want honor, try showing some right now and kicking the racist off the site.
OFF TOPIC! But we have threads on racism:
"Torment racists"? Read this for direction for your tormenting efforts.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/cant-just-the-republican-party-is-not-qualified-to/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2014/07/playing-politics-with-americas-welfare-this-time-its-immigration/
Let's torment racists together
So you are in a continual state of self torment, evidenced by your denial of events in Florida?
You should seek professional help.
This isn't the place for you.
So you are going to allow that?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/drinking-warm-gatorade/#comment-1038300
Thats ok with you? That doesnt get someone fuckin banned now? Wtf??!!!
I'm sending this shit to Justine, this is absolutely unacceptable.
I just PMed him.
So you can stop your knee from jerking now.
By rights, you shouldn't even be here. Let alone be allowed to harass him by PM.
At least he admits to his health issues.
You?
Not even a little.
A fuckin PM!!! A fuckin blatant racist running around and you send a fuckin PM!
Now racism is a fuckin health issue!!! Fuck that, and fuck anyone else that thinks like that.
You hit the ban button on a whim, but for your friend we give a pass for being a blatant racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck that!
You got your fuckin' bots and your fuckin' cabal and your fuckin' puppets, and you did PM him with the intent to irritate him.
How many times have you been banned? How many puppets have you employed? How many insults have yoyu blatantly tossed at people here ion the forum?
with exactly that intent.
to stir them to respond in kind.
try a little tenderness.
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What the FUCK are you complaining about?
You're here aren't you?
Still trying everything you can to stir up partisanship.
Yeah. Fuck that indeed.
By what right should he ''not even be here''?! So just whoTF put you in charge of anything around here ?!! Haven't you and your Hitlary loving, DNC drones hounded enough people off this forum and called people ''trolls'' or worse - for not being compliant to The DNC & Likudnik goals that you seem to subscribe to ?!!!
http://jfjfp.com/ ;
http://mikopeled.com/ ;
http://mondoweiss.net/ ;
http://electronicintifada.net/ ;
http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/ & re. OP, see thread & extensive links here :
https://occupywallst.org/forum/huge-water-resource-found-in-africa-world-bank-ste/ ~
temet nosce ; veritas vos liberabit et fiat pax ...
Go back to bed you lying name caller.
Liar, thy name is shadz66.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk
So snooz, which bit was an actual lie then ?!!! Specifics would help your case, right ?!! Go on, do knock yourself out finding some links for that which you ass-ert ! Meanwhile, I'll just repeat myself verbatim ...
''Alluding to my 'honesty' and saying that I'm in 'support of stalkers and trolls', when you have put 2 and Two together and come up with 22 is your prerogative but have you EVER said anything in criticism of The Democratic Party on this OWS forum ?!!! Or have you ever made one post in criticism of Israel ?!! Gatekeeping for The DNC or Likudnik Zionism is your right - BUT do not expect such shilling not to be pointed out and resisted !'' From :
Your problem is that I remember who said what & when. Getting too old for this game ? Take a break !
nosce te ipsum ...
It's more than you've EVER had.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/180697/congress-stand-disaster-capitalism-detroit#
Trashymonique, thy name has become shadz66.
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My neighborhood matters.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/07/activists-to-rally-in-detroit-on-friday-to-protest-water-shutoffs-call-for-accountability-for-wall-street-banks.html
You HATE yours, and that's too bad.
You have become trashy, or maybe you always were..
Trashymonique, your name has become shadz66.
Is that all you've got ?!!! You know nothing of me or my ''neighbourhood'' ... other than which country it is in - let alone know anything of what I may or may not do here BUT your deep, visceral resentment that I may have the temerity to post on this forum, just chews you up right ?!! Calling up and trying to channel Trashy-Manque' only actually shows you for what you are ... desperate (like The Neoliberal Playground that Detroit has become, sadly) !!!
Good luck with all that but don't believe that Hitlary will help you there with any that, come 2016. OWS and agitating, educating and organising from the bottom up, is one of your and our, only hopes and 99% Solidarity IS Important - no doubt but d'you really think Hitlary has any of that ?
''Who Killed Detroit City and Why? Detroit Becomes the Largest US City to Declare Bankruptcy'', by Dave Hodges : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35601.htm ;
''Detroit, and the Bankruptcy of America’s Social Contract'', by Robert Reich : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35609.htm & ... ..
''Detroit Will be Democracy's Decisive Battle'', by Glen Ford : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36705.htm .
ad iudicium ...
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Most nasty old bastard are the crusty righty type.
I have yet to meet anyone remotely liberal that refers to Arabs as "fuckin towel heads" and then says they should be lucky that Israel is there.
Your words and views are yours. Not mine.
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You are entitled to say whatever you like.
Just as we are entitled to label you a bigot for such views.
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The racist speaks. One would think a comment like that, actually a couple of them, would be grounds for a banning.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/drinking-warm-gatorade/#comment-1038300
An occupy site where racism is openly accepted.
We'll see whats most important to the mods. Keeping friends around or sticking to principle.
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Upd : Detroit water grab:
Some progress today:
http://www.freep.com/article/20140729/NEWS01/307290128/Duggan-water-department-Kevyn-Orr
Some inspirational opinion:
"In order to protect the water rights of Detroiters, as well as their rural brethren in the hills of Appalachia and people struggling all across this nation of ours, we have to care more about each other than the Kevyn Orr's of the world care about money."
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/25183-let-them-drink-pop-detroits-water-crisis-and-the-fight-for-basic-human-rights-in-the-motor-city
And a petition:
https://secure3.convio.net/engage/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=11648
Please sign.
& Abump
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Sounds like a good reason to increase the pressure.
Can't be fooled by slight of hand/musical chairs symbolic performances.
The recent cost increases are unreasonable for most Detroiters. The current massive bills to the lower income particularly should be absolved.
The wealthy corps should of course pay.
The switch is a reaction to people protests. Gotta increase the pressure, Keep our eyes on the prize.
Solidarity
Absolutely unimaginable that this could happen in America
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it will be survival of the richest, as massive investment concerns eat each other alive..
"Good start"?
http://www.freep.com/article/20140721/OPINION01/307210122/detroit-water-shutoffs
Not good enough!
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Be strong, The obvious nature of the meaningless downvoting simply reflects the power of the oligarchs. Even on this inconsequential forum.
Stay frosty, don't let the bastards get the best of you. They like pushing buttons, don't give 'em the satisfaction.
Peace, & Solidarity w/ you & the good people of Detroit
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Sounds like you understand them correctly.
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It's not going to stop until it directly effects them.
I love libertopia. It's another one of those groups of individuals that need to be run out.
You mean like the ones around here that keep trying to change the subject in nearly every thread, and yet have nothing of substance to offer?
They are doing everything within their power to change the subject.
Hey genius, theres a war going on, and innocent people are being slaughtered. No one is changing the subject.
And combine that with the fact you have people on here calling them "fuckin towel heads" and I think we have some serious credibility issues.
Off topic! Capitalists preying on the 99% & our life sustaining water supply is the topic
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Standing-Up-to-Disaster-Ca-by-John-Nichols-Capitalism-Over-Humanity_Detroit-Bankruptcy_Politicians_Propaganda-140717-734.html
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/policysocial-context/24507-stalking-horse-detroit-water-crisis-as-possible-precursor-of-privatization.html
Get informed! Get a clue! Get outta town.
Put your partisan bashing, & personal attacks on a thread that doesn't matter.
personal attacks mostly, and PMs to stir up those they think they can.
All based in partisanship.
Same old BS they've been practicing for years now.
Then they want to blame someone else for low level of participation on the forum these days days.
Right, because nothing gets people united like seeing people call the Palestinians "fuckin towel heads"..
Calling out the pro war supporters is now a bad thing? I'm assuming your silence means so, and you refuse to utter ONE SINGLE WORD against it.
A war has started, and throughout the entire day not a peep. I mean, considering yourself political and all, and not a single peep all day.
What else would you expect people to assume?
OFF TOPIC!!
Water wars
Got anything? No.? STFU! Wanna talk about the middleeast? There are threads for that.
Gosh, I just reviewed the many threads on the VERY REAL issue of water.
Not a single word from you.
Water rights are a Worldwide issue.
Not a partisan issue. Like the ones you keep trying to stir up.
Yet not a single lucid comment from you.
Yet you HAVE posted from the John Birch site as well as Alex Jones .
What should people be expected to assume about you, based on those behaviors?
Now racism and israeli oppression, war and murder are partisan issues.
Keep talking.
maintain your silence.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/17/watch-fl-suspect-for-attempted-murder-refuses-help-from-negro-public-defender/
Here's the truth, as I see it.
I think it's horrible that Israel is doing this, but I also thinks it's horrible for HAMAS to launch random missiles into Israel, as well as it's various and sundry car bombings.
Now you want to talk about racism in Florida?
It's something you've patently ignored for some three years now.
Racism is racism no matter where it happens, and its all around us.
Doesnt matter if you are in Florida or on this site. What matters is how you act when it rears its head. And for that, you RIGHT NOW get a failing grade.
As far as Palestine goes, you think someone should be able to come into your neighborhood, carve the place up, declare it theirs and everyone should just go along with it?
I don't want to hear another one of your exercises in LIP SERVICE.
I want you find it!
Post links to it!
And provide actual commentary on the event.
Not yet another return to your attempts at partisanship.
You went along with Engler's attack on Detroit.
Even after I PROVED his ties to ALEC and the Koch's.
I remember you have a great deal of difficulty even saying the name.
Pope as well.
Now you want to REALLY talk about events in Florida?
I don't expect you to give a shit about Michigan, especially Detroit.
It's a bad word around.
One that garnered further attacks on me, at every posting.
But c'mon, show a little love for your own community.