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Forum Post: Right Wing Media trying to snuff out OWS.

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 7:39 p.m. EST by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY
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As usual, Right Wing Republican corporations who are starting to feel threatened by the growing OWS movement, are using their corporate "news" outlets to slow the momentum of our cause. They are publishing their usual lies and misinformation to convince the public that the OWS is a small bunch of "hippe radicals" who want to destroy society. I've seen articles forwarded to me claiming that OWS and the NYCGA are demanding everything from free income to never having to pay for anything- completely false statements. These "news" outlets are lying to the public to keep them from joining the movement. Next they'll be saying Al Quaida is behind it I'm sure- anything to stop our growth. Tell your friends to be mindful of what they are being told by the Republican-owned media!

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[-] 4 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

WARNING:

They do not do this to stop people from joining the movement.

They do this to demonize you so that you can be ATTACKED without exciting popular outrage.

That is the only reason they are doing this.

This is how killing wars are justified. This is the way an American citizen was summarily executed, with a 'secret' authorization, and a PR campaign. It works. It worked for BURNING THE CHILDREN at Waco. "They deserved it." I actually heard this. It will work on you.

Think about it.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS.

[-] 2 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Good point Hank, thanks for sharing. Will stay peaceful for sure.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

Thanks! Not sure if most people realize the power and purpose of popular meme-building, but this tactic ranks right up there in the elite toolbox.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

keep your camera handy

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

Yep, could backfire on them. But they will do it anyway, if they think public opinion is ripe enough.

[-] -1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] 2 points by Lork (285) 3 years ago

Right wingers are infiltrating this board too -

http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-percenter-ready-to-join-if/

He SUPPORTS the Fed AND is FOR the Flat Tax Scam.

For more on flat tax -

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flat-tax-is-unfair/

I will also copy my response here -

"If the Flat Tax rate were ever instituted it would be horrid. It would actually lead to LOWER taxes on the rich!

Example Country -

Suppose the Flat Tax did get implemented. Everybody pays 35% of their income. With the addition of living expenses, sales taxes, etc. and the stagnant or declining wages of the poor and middle class, the new 35% flat tax takes their toll on the middle class and the poor get shafted worse. The rich - untouched.

So the middle and poor class demand lower taxes. So taxes go down to 10%. Now the government LOSES money because -gasp- the rich are paying only 10% of their income! With the revenue from taxes lost, the country is forced to turn to "austerity" and the government has no money to operate their regulatory agencies and provide basic social services that conservatives love to take for granted. The government is "starved" and the condom breaks.

So it's either

A. Kill the middle class and make it just Rich and Poor.

or

B. Kill the government and turn into a full blown corporatocracy of Rich and Poor.

Either way - the rich win. The government is a condom (albeit a thin and permeable at times condom) to protect the middle and poor classes in -some- way. So they hate the government because the rich are the STD. The middle class -can- be used, but you take too much from the middle and the middle will scream to the government. Plus - damn those dirty social climbers! How dare they!? So the rich don't necessarily hate the middle class but they hate the "audacity" that the middle even exists. And the poor? Well not even the middle class gives a shit about the poor what with their "big dream to be rich someday!" so the poor are completely "harmless".

It's a great scam they're running here.

And btw - no it is not -spoiled- to demand higher rate of taxes from someone who makes $10 mil a month let alone a year. Especially since they are the same people who stole our jobs after buying our government for round after round after round of Rape Trade Agreements. Yeah that's right - RAPE TRADE!"

[-] 2 points by Frankie (733) 3 years ago

Hate to be the one to break it to you but it's not just the "right wing media." I'm about as independent as they come and take in a wide range of news sources and the general sense from pretty much all of the "main stream media," other than maybe the opinion shows on MSNBC, is that it's a small bunch of "hippie radicals" with lack of any clear direction or coherent message beyond some major themes. They do in fact get and report the major themes.

But it's hard to deny that there are some who in fact DO want free income and similar fringe things like that when people are on camera saying so themselves. lol And you can see a lot of the same points of view in the posts here, so don't pretend like that doesn't exist. If you don't like being viewed in that light, then that's largely on you to correct and not them.

Actually, what I've seen from Fox and CNBC and some other "conservative" outlets, while obviously having some fun with the whackjobs, have given it a pretty fair shake as far the major points are concerned. That includes articles and interviews by major guys on "Wall Street" like Bill Gross and the Trustee for CalPers basically agreeing with a lot of what's being said as far as the system being rigged and unfair.

Some of you guys don't seem to understand that conservatives have been pissed off about the bail-outs since they happened, as well as the sketchy back-room deals made, obscene bonuses and parachutes to people who F'ed up, ratings agencies rubber-stamping things, unemployment, etc., etc.. You're a few years late to the party on all of that. The social justice and redistribution type stuff isn't common ground, but otherwise there's a lot of room for agreement.

[-] 2 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 3 years ago

Hmm, which is worse, trying to snuff you out or trying to co-opt you/claim to support you for their own gain? Don't they both arrive at the same end?

Just a thought: some of the alternative media has been covering OWS and has expressed support for the people without trying to add spin: Wide Awake News, Activist Post, and Collapse Net.

[-] 1 points by mantaseed (36) 3 years ago

Ron Paul suporters are also hard at work.

[-] 1 points by bythepeople (56) 3 years ago

I think you give them more credit than they deserve.

Fox News, Limbaugh, beck, Palin, and the rest are driven by only one thing: MONEY.

They prey on people's fear and perpetuate their extreme wack-a-doodle scare tactics not because they believe what they say, but because people buy it.

Don't buy it. The more they are ignored, the sooner they will make no profit and fade away.

[-] 1 points by Ernest99 (16) from Aurora, IL 3 years ago

Are you Serious? Right Wing Media?

The media is not left or right, it's just covers for the corrupt two party dictatorship.

There is an effort by Democrats to take over this movement in the same way that the Republicans took over the Tea Party. They play the "good cop, bad cop" routine, while the corporate news media does its part to manipulate both the protesters and every other American into falling for it. For God's sake don't!

TO HELL WITH BOTH PARTIES!

[-] 1 points by tritone (36) 3 years ago

I'm actually surprised that there aren't specific picketing events at Fox News at Rockefeller Plaza. Fox and conservative talk radio (and CNBC) are the primary mouthpieces for right wing corporate/wall street. There could be signs that have specific lies and/or distortions spouted by them. i.e. "Obama is a Kenyan Commie with no birth certificate." Or that "the Dems are solely responsible for the economic mess we're in now." Or just have sign that says "Fox Lies" or "unfair, unbalanced". It seems to me the primary tools for spouting the right wing/corporate propaganda are sailing through, completely unscathed. There should be a blistering white hot light blazing on these lying organizations!

[-] 1 points by coolnyc (216) from Stone Ridge, NY 3 years ago

Time to occupy Fox News. Time to protest the corruption of our mews media. Time to call out the propaganda machines for what they are. God I miss Walter Cronkite (yes I'm old!) and the days before lying to the public was an accepted political tactic.

[-] 1 points by tr289 (916) from Chicago, IL 3 years ago

This is why i haven't turned on any of the MSM channels in months. I don't really care what they are saying.

[-] 1 points by RationalReaper (188) 3 years ago

Even Liberal media is trying hard to ignore it or discredit it. Think msnbc...I swear Chris Matthews is a dino.

Kieth Olbermann has been giving in depth coverage of occupy around the country...so far there are over 1100 cities demonstrating.

Keith can be watched on Current TV live at 8:00 pm and I think rebroadcast every 2 hours

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 3 years ago

It is pointless. Let the Fox nuts babble back and forth. Get legitimacy where you can.....carry cameras everywhere and out the people stirring up trouble.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

Any entity with a legal existence can be sued for that. Basically it is endangering our futures and undermining support for the Constitution, if that is what OWS also stands for.

[-] 1 points by jdog (146) 3 years ago

The OWS movement does a pretty good job of snuffing itself. This is OWS on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI - over 380,000 hits.. OWS in Washington had 53 people - that is less than .0099% of Washington's population... There are a lot of people in the US unhappy about the way our government has handled things, but the OWS movement does not articulate popular thinking on the problem.

[-] 1 points by ribis (240) 3 years ago

Everyone's aware of the threat. Regardless of OWS's own inclinations, Murdoch media, Clear Channel (AM Radio), and most of the GOP presidential lineup have come out strongly against OWS. It isn't automatically partisan to point out that these groups are opposed to OWS. Nevertheless, don't lose your cool and fall into the two-party trap! We've got a long way to go, and a hundred ways to fail along the way. There are libertarians and conservatives who still sympathize with OWS; we want them with us.

[-] 1 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Correct ribis- I'm not in a party, I was just seeing these Right Wing articles making up lies. Not to denounce them, just to be wary of what some of them are saying. Especially new people who don't know what OWS is about. People need to do their own research and not always listen to biased media. Cheers-

[-] 1 points by gandhirocksmysocks (26) 3 years ago

Yeah, blame the money-grubbing Jews. Go Arab Spring! Viva la terroristas!

[-] 1 points by ribis (240) 3 years ago

Purple junipers and tinfoil hats to you, my non-sequitur spouting respondent.

[-] 1 points by gandhirocksmysocks (26) 3 years ago

Love the junipers myself. What's your agenda? PM to talk more.

[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

that my point by blaming both sides equally is misleading and gives the media right to assume we have no message stop the fox spin

[-] 0 points by ribis (240) 3 years ago

How about we simply say, "Stop the spin."

IMO, the opposition you're talking about is most akin to a circle of trolls. Responding in kind just encourages more crap.

Accept decent reporting and good PR, and spurn/ignore anyone (right OR left) that wants to co-opt or mischaracterize OWS. Internet people should know how to handle trolls by now.

[-] -2 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] 2 points by ribis (240) 3 years ago

Stop spamming. You've said that a half dozen times.

[-] -1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

stop pretending your ows

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

Yeah, welcome to the spin room. It happened to the Tea Party, didn't it?

You can measure your success by how rabid these misinformation attacks are. The press is not your friend! Have you ever known them to report on anything without slanting it to their agenda? Do not demand or expect anything different from them. The best thing that can happen is that they lose the trust of their viewer, readers, and listeners. The ones that believe it are beyond reach anyway.

[-] -1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 3 years ago

I don't listen to them. Neither should you anyone else. They only promote fear because they are scared.

Faux Noise is top on the list of fear propagonda. Turn them off.

[-] 1 points by Gileos (309) 3 years ago

Trust me, the only threat this chocs up to is a bunch of people feeling bad for the cops that will be demonized for doing their jobs. Maybe you should take a tally and ask all these robots marching what exactly they want instead of spreading assumptions/lies yourself.

Thank you

[-] 1 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

You're welcome Gileos! Point out the lie or assumption that I mentioned and I'll kindly remove it. As for what they want, refer to the OWS website and read the Declaration of the OWS. It's that simple. Oh, and I don't trust you because you sound more like a robot.

[-] 2 points by Gileos (309) 3 years ago

Id much rather listen to the personal testimonys of the people involved in the marching then be led around by propaganda. I do prechaite it though.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 3 years ago

The more they scream, the more they empower us, but what we need is a comprehensive strategy, and related candidate, that implements all our demands at the same time, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:

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Join

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

if you want to be 1 of 100,000 people needed to support a Presidential Candidate – such as myself – at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.

[-] 0 points by halcyon (1) 3 years ago

OWS needs to TAKE BACK THE FLAG. I'm a union carpenter and the unions are always portrayed as a socialistic communistic under-miner of the USA. Not as people looking for a fair living wage and their piece of the American pie. We are always made to feel that we never earn our wages. The right claims to be patriots. OWSers are like the patriots who fought our revolution for many of the same reasons as being vocalized today. The right doesn't own the flag. The 99% do. We need to display the American flag. The 99% in the past sacrificed the most in all our wars. So it is ours.

[-] 0 points by halcyon (1) 3 years ago

The right wing media wants to keep their ignorant and stupid listeners and supporters unthinking. Keep the poor slobs busy trying to stay ahead of their bills to require a media to think for them. The right fears OWS. The attacks will be more often and more intense. They fear truth.

[-] 0 points by secretweapon04 (2) 3 years ago

Here are links to 6 spots I produced which help counter the mass media message and promote this weekend. Please use and link if you feel they will help.

http://vimeo.com/30460101

http://vimeo.com/30460982

http://vimeo.com/30461589

http://vimeo.com/30462254

http://vimeo.com/30462827

http://vimeo.com/30463850

[-] 0 points by recallScottWalker (20) 3 years ago

republicans commit treason. Senate republicans killed 2 million jobs yesterday. What do you do with republican senators who kill 2 million jobs?

[-] 2 points by goeib1 (163) 3 years ago

GET MORE ELECTED JUST LIKE THEM!!!! God, your ignorance just amazes.... Do you even care that two Democrats voted no and then HARRY REID changed his vote to no after he saw there was no way in the world this shit would fly. I guess that means nothing to you since it is soooo much easier to say "republicans killed 2 million jobs".... what a joke. How do you create jobs by taxing the hell out of everybody.... your twisted mind could surely come up with something...

[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message

[-] 0 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Funny how the brainwashed Right do everything they can to distract the point of the post- that their media is lying about the OWS. They would rather promote lies then take responsibility for their precious good ol' boy control club.

[-] 1 points by goeib1 (163) 3 years ago

I see many reports showing the extreme left/ socialist bent of many protesters. But since this is your ideology also, you brush it off as a lying right wing media. How can you say it is a lie when all they do is show these wacko's with their protest signs among YOUR group. Are you saying those people are NOT among you? Now that would be a lie. By the way you describe any balanced TV media (OK, just one of those and that is FoxNews) it shows how closed minded you really are. Yet you probably try to sit there and tell everybody how fair minded and inclusive you are. That's what you call listening to all sides? Whatever.... You all keep proving my points by your actions...

[-] 0 points by crypto666 (50) 3 years ago

pffffttttt!!!!

yeah, maybe fox news and the WSJ can stop OWS and overcome the NY Times, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, LA Times, CNN, etc. etc. etc

these boring, boilerplate histrionics give the movement no credibility. might as well add even more 9/11 truthers to the mix and self-implode.

[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] 1 points by crypto666 (50) 3 years ago

you should leave the protest and join the fine, upstanding folks at the DNC.

they like your kind of babbling boilerplate blather.

[-] 1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows majority are dems tax the rich is not a republican

[-] 0 points by Mariannka (63) 3 years ago

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[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] 2 points by crypto666 (50) 3 years ago

"all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement"

really? all of them?

who knew?

you know, oceanweed, the adults at ows are not going to be happy with you making their non-partisan protest 100% partisan.

both parties suck.

[-] 2 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

True that crypto666. I'm not for any party, only the People.

[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

I am ows stop the fox spin you are dividing the movement

[-] 2 points by crypto666 (50) 3 years ago

stop the msnbc spin, kid.

the movement claims to not be partisan hacks. you seem to be a partisan hack.

both parties SUCK equally.

[-] 1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message

[-] 2 points by Gileos (309) 3 years ago

Dont you know that the majority of halfway smart people are trying to put a gap between this movement and politics? Nice job turning away potential followers.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Not sure you were aware of this, but most media outlets lean left. When you generalize media as "Right wing" you sound like a moron.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Fox, CNN, CBS are all to the right of center. ABC, NBC, NYT are basically centrist, MSNBC is pretty left-leaning. All are corporate whores making them part of the right/"free" market/neoliberal/oligarch bloc.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

LoL. Could you be any less informed?

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

Educate yourself.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Let em get this straight. I hand you a link to impartial and objectively gathered scientific data, and you declare it irrelevant by handing me an editorial piece that supports your opinion?

You are a prime example of how our schools are failing us.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

The data in 2004 is not relevant, any "objectively" gathered "scientific" data on bias is suspect, and so I hand you two editorials and one liberal study that does not hide its affiliation. All present the facts for you to judge on your own.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

" any "objectively" gathered "scientific" data on bias is suspect"

lol. Just phrase it honestly and say, "Any data that does not support your viewpoint". How long have you been fighting with the concept of gravity?

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

"Citing references from think tanks..." Like every editorialization on Fox cites a think tank. It's an absolutely incomplete sample of what's needed to determine overall bias. And it's from 2004.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

So let me get this straight. Now you are saying the UCLA polysci and University of Missouri Economics department are right wing think tanks?

LoLoLoLoLoLoLoL

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Nope. I opened your study and the method they used to measure bias was counting how often left/right think tanks were cited.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Either way, I see you back peddling to talk about Fox, which is in your "gimme" category. Tell me again about CBS and the NY Times?

LMAO

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Not back-pedalling at all, used them as an example of exactly what right wing news media does not do - cite references.

Further, on the methods used in your precious study. Define "left" think tank. Center for American Progress? Not my left. Corporate New Democrat shills They are the part of right as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, CBS - they only matter for their absolutely right-leaning Sunday talk show and MarketWatch... NYT - oligarch central.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

1) Citing Fox as biased is as useless as citing MSNBC as biased. Why waste your time?

2) If you read the study, you would understand how they ranked the think tanks.

reading is your friend.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

The point was, using think tank citations as a measure of bias is patently ridiculous. The only way to measure bias is brain scans of the 1%er minds that are the news directors/editors of all these outlets. They choose the stories. Your stories are chosen, and presented from your perspective, far more often than it swings my way, even on MSNBC.

[-] 1 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

It is patently ridiculous because it doesn't produce the outcome you would like. Other, non-editorialized(yah, your supporting data was all editorial) studies use other techniques such as the quantity of times negative and positive press is run for politicians from both sides of the isle, and the results are the same.

Its cool man. I know it is unlikely you will accept any evidence, no matter how objectively collected. Its a bit like trying to get a christian or muslim to provide some evidence for their magic man in the sky. Science and facts are entirely irrelevant to strongly held beliefs.

Just be aware. Partisan mupets like yourself are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

I've said nothing partisan tool. Left/right is about ideology/morality. Most Democrats are stooges of the oligarchist right.

[-] 1 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Of course you are a partisan muppet. Non-partisan free thinking people don't repeat crap that conflicts with all available data, or at least they correct themselves when shown hard evidence.

Your very characterization of why "Most Democrats" are bad was a statement of partisanship.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

It's a statement of reality. And I've thoroughly refuted the so-called "objective" basis of your source. The science is flawed, as would any science be about studying bias, which is by its nature, hidden and obfuscated.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

OMG! So now, nothing hidden or obfuscated can be studied?

One sec, I gotta get some food and get my wife over here to read this shit.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Certainly not by counting think tank references.

She must be proud.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

So what is your educational level, and what type of grades did you get?

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

MS, Biology, dual BS Biology, Ancient Near East History. Probably about 3.7 avg.

Design a study and I'll let you know if it meets my approval. fMRI should probably be involved, as well as outlet ownership and editorial staff investments.

[-] 1 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

School? Employment?

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Not giving out geographic hints. Develop informatics software.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

So you went to a crap school, don't sweat it. It was obvious when your Masters in Biology qualifies you to be a software developer.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Bioinformatics, tool. No interest in management. That was the purpose of your line of questioning? Pathetic.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

A software developer is a software developer. Just driving home the point of how our schools have failed us. In your case, with a Masters degree, I'd go with major fail.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

So, nothing substantive to defend the study methodology, pure ad hom tactics are your closing argument. Solid.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

The study provided plenty of documentation to defend it's methodology, and your counter arguments were feckless. You can't just click your heels, close your eyes, and make it go away, Dorthy.

Also, pointing out that you are using your Masters in Biology to develop software is hardly an ad hom. I'm sure it will be about a year before your job is replaced by someone from the Unviersity of Dehli with two years of education, and a 2.0 GPA, willing to work for half the money.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Sounds pretty ad hom to me, you obviously have no idea what I do.

You have provided nothing but deflection and personal attacks since I questioned the methodology.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

No I wanted to get a feel for who you are when I discovered you had a problem with facts.I quickly decided arguing the methodology with you would be a waste of time, especially when you provided editorial as a counter argument to a scientific study.

Knowing your background helps me understand your motivations for thinking like you do. I'm sorry if you find my assessment of it to be insulting or ad hom.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

You don't mind continuing the personal bullshit, why not spend the time defending the methodology?

My point all along has been that the pieces I provided which present tangible, current facts are as valid as the methodology and relevance of your study. You've not convinced anyone otherwise.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

You will have to excuse me if I don't consider an editorial clip citing one or two examples of conservative bias in a particular media outlet to be evidence that is in any way comparable to a study that covers a broad scope of media outlets with an impartial and scientific eye.

The fact you find the two comparable is what lead me to question your analytic thinking skills in the first place. What is the point of trying to convince someone that the earth is round, if that person uses a picture of the earth printed on a flat piece of paper as his evidence? What is the point of arguing about math if one person in the argument cant agree that 1+1=2 ? You are that person, MS Biology and all.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

And still, nothing. Character assassination is the only reliable tactic for trolls.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

You are probably one of those guys who is against calling mentally challenged people retarded, aren't you. Calling something what it is is not character assassination. Figure it out, if you can.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Still waiting.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Wait in one hand, crap in the other. Let me know which fills up first.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

You get paid for this? Amazing.

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

It is a community service I provide for free. I consider it giving back..

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

Truly a humanitarian.

[-] 0 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Point taken MikeyD, I stand corrected. It's just the false statements I've seen were coming from the Right. Have yet to see Liberal news do the same, but I'm sure they would.

[-] 1 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

Most of the stations I've seen calling OWS radical have left wing leanings. Sure Fox is leading the charge, but the rest are playing the same tune.

What "lies" have you seen the "Right" say, that haven't also been said by the left?

[-] 1 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Agreed. I don't want this to be about taking sides, but rather the point being to not fall for the lies.

[-] 0 points by schnitzlefritz (225) 3 years ago

Of course, that all depends on where you're viewing it from. Although it's hard to fathom, there are some that are so far left that the MSM looks right wing :)

[-] 0 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 3 years ago

There are ways of looking at these questions objectively. Here is one study among many. They all say the same thing.

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

When you say the right wing MSM, you better be talking about Fox, otherwise people will stare at you like your an idiot, and rightly so.

[-] 1 points by schnitzlefritz (225) 3 years ago

Objectively? That's no fun. Thanks for the link.

[-] 0 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

the only solution to this is strong organization, which is why its crucial for us to have a wiki and sub forums, and why you should pm jart and remind her- that her failure to provie these things is long past an emergency and she needs to put up a wiki NOW- two weeks ago.

assuming that she continues to fail, we must put one up some place else.

and my links and everything else- you need to actually start following and answering these links and contributing to the organization instead of scrawl and more noise.


http://www.oligarchyusa.com/

http://www.istockanalyst.com/finance/story/5390832/some-fascinating-stats-about-our-corporate-oligarchy

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/category/21st-century-challenges/ethicsandeconomics/

According to a 2008 article by David Rothkopf, the world’s 1,100 richest people have almost twice the assets of the poorest 2.5 billion (Rothkopf, 2008). Aside from the obvious problem – that this global elite has their hands in everything from politics to financial institutions – …

http://theprogressiveplaybook.com/2011/09/occupywallstreet-an-american-tahrir/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ght22PnCXy0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/wisconsin-is-ground-zero_b_825321.html

http://last-lost-empire.com/blog/?tag=global-corporate-oligarchy

To the extent that we, the people, are removed from control over our lands, marketplaces, central banks, and media we are no longer empowered. In practice, those few who do control the land, central bank, media and "free market" are the real rulers of our corrupt and declining "democracy."

Due to propaganda from a corporate-owned and edited media we are kept from knowing, much less debating, the nature of our system. Due to a central bank owned by bankers, media owned by a few global concerns, and trade regime controlled by global corporations (i.e., one designed to remove the people from control over their markets and environments) the vast majority have become little more than latter-day serfs and neo-slaves upon a corporate latifundia.

To restore a semblance of effective democracy and true freedom Americans, and people around the world, need to re-educate themselves as to the true nature of their political and economic systems. Toward this end, OligarchyUSA.com is dedicated to providing old and new information, books, links, reform ideas and debates not easily found or accessed today in establishment media.

OligarchyUSA.com is but one more site and sign of the times as ground-up counter-revolutions arise around the world... all in response to a forced and freedomless globalization of a ruling global elite perfecting their top-down plutocracy and revolutions of the rich against the poor. In short, democracy is no longer effective today. For this reason, it is toward a restoration of truly effective and representative democracies, and natural freedom, that this site is dedicated.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/organizational-map-2/

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 3 years ago

everybody knows this. even the tea party. it's only a few that care what fox says, the rest just hate anyone who isn't a redneck.

[-] -1 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message

[-] -1 points by johnlocke76 (9) 3 years ago

Republicans commit treason by killing 2 million jobs yesterday. May God damn their evil souls to burn in hell for eternity.

[-] 0 points by gandhirocksmysocks (26) 3 years ago

Amen brother man! Let 'em BURN baby!

[-] -1 points by JohnnySuburban (88) 3 years ago

see OWS can't hide who they really are...claiming to not be right/left while still demonizing Republicans, FOX News, the Right Wing, the Tea Party.

OWS...you're so transparent.

we all see it.

just admit it.

[-] 1 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Ok I admit it! I can't stand Right and Left wing people. These one-dimentional thinkers are racking up quite a toll on this country.

[-] -1 points by Skippy2 (485) 3 years ago

Sorry to burst your bubble but, Republicans only have one network. All the rest suck for the DNC.

[-] 2 points by LetThemEatCake (43) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Regards Skippy2, there are way more than one Right Wing media outlet especially when it comes to online "news". But same goes for the DMC media. Point is, they are lying to the public. Shockng to hear, I know. Hope I didn't bust your bubble.

[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 3 years ago

ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message