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Forum Post: Requesting Info on Microwave Weapon

Posted 2 years ago on March 22, 2012, 5:13 p.m. EST by RedSkyMorning (220)
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I saw this posted a while back; that the National Guard would be using a Microwave Weapon. This isn't a non-lethal weapon, or was not invented as such. Could anyone provide me more info on it.

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[-] 2 points by Rebdem (71) 2 years ago

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[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

it is something that should never be.

non-lethal weapons lead to terrible deths and injuries when given to ignorant fearful people.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

"non-lethal weapons lead to terrible deths" did you really just say that

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

did i stutter?

"taser-related deaths = 715+ in north america" http://truthnottasers.blogspot.ca/2008/04/what-follows-are-names-where-known.html

"Boston police recently shot and killed a local college student with a "pepper pellet" gun." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4694419

and lets not forget Scott Olson who could have died, and was injured badly by 'non-lethal' weapons.

and then there is stuff like this; "62-year old Nick Christie was tortured and pepper-sprayed to death by police at the Lee County Jail. Although the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide, the law enforcement officers who kept him strapped naked to a chair and then pepper sprayed him until he died have not been charged in his death." http://www.care2.com/causes/florida-man-tortured-and-pepper-sprayed-to-death-by-police.html

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

no but you misspelled

im sorry yes these people died it sucks i feel bad but we have better issues to worry about than this. It looks like there is less than ten deaths a year from these weapons. That isn't concerning to the general public to do something about it. Again it ti sad that these people died but more people die from slipping in falling each year. Over 800 died last year from falling. But can you ban slippage, no because it occurs all the time We as a society need to stop worry about little things and moving on to bigger issues before we crumble

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

wow, you are dense like lead. it is ok that people are needlessly killed by so called non-lethal weapons, because it is only a few hundreds? "need to stop worry about little things", freedom from being killed by our own police forces on the public street is a 'little thing'?

Please try to employ logic in your reasoning. Comparing falling accidents, with police torture and murder under the guise of 'non-lethal' is absurd. Currently the police abuse people using these 'non-lethal' weapons and when the 'suspect' ends up injured or dead, they just shrug and claim "I felt threatened" and it was only a 'non-lethal'. The net is full of videos of cops assaulting people with these weapons for little to no reason at all, often prejudicialy and with open malice.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

No I’m a realist I see things in the way of humanity I base things of ethics not morals. The police did not torture those people that got tasered most of them died do to cardiac arrest which was triggered by the electric shock that went through their heart. Most of these people could have been have lurking factors that we don’t know about such as heart conditions if they were wet or not and if they had metal plates in their chest. Honestly I’m going to say most people do feel bad about this happening. As a person who has been both tasered and pepper sprayed, voluntarily I add, I still encourage that most people carry these devices since I know that they are effective at what they do of incapacitating people

The point of the falling down deaths was to prove that statistically it does not compare to normal deaths each year. The point of moving on to bigger and better things is there will always be bad people you can’t control it all those who think they can are stupid and wrong. I would like to see the police pull their guns less often because when people I know join the police academies they were taught only to kill will the gun was pulled most of the kids now who are join this are being taught it so maybe it will be better enforced in the future.

Even though our police forces are questionable at sometimes they still human and behave as such. We must respect them so they can respect us and even though they may not respect us we still must respect them; because as you do that you can be the better human than them.

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

Check this out http://www.rt.com/news/weapon-us-microwave-cannon-363/ Protesters in that matter have to wear motorcycles helmet made out of steel to avoid radiation and also use chain armor . The Operator of the microwave gun pointed out the aim to protesters line. Instead of stand and scream protesters have to react fast and run away randomly. But! not away from the weapon but against to it and stands right in front the vehicle. that way operator cant reach the protesters who stands right in the front because of the narrow angle of attack. as we can see on the video it taking some time to aim the target...

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

These are the sort of reasons why, assuming we're in this for the long haul, we need input from scientists. I'm not sure if something would be deployed against OWS protesters, or how mature this technology is, but I know there's some (so called) non-lethal technologies coming out that use heat to deter protesters or large crowds. Here's something I found:

The ADS works by firing a high-powered beam of 95 GHz extremely high frequency waves at a target, which corresponds to a wavelength of 3.2 mm.[10] The ADS millimeter wave energy works on a similar principle as a microwave oven, exciting the water and fat molecules in the skin, and instantly heating them via dielectric heating. One significant difference is that a microwave oven uses the much lower frequency (and longer wavelength) of 2.45 GHz. The short millimeter waves used in ADS only penetrate the top layers of skin, with most of the energy being absorbed within 0.4 mm (1/64"),[11] whereas microwaves will penetrate into human tissue about 17mm (0.67").[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Given the limited effectiveness of this weapon, I would think that proper clothing could be worn that would prevent penetration to the skin (but I could be wrong). Of course police already have tear gas (and without a gas mask, there's really not many ways to deal with tear gas).

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/v/eP8s2ASp734?version=3&f=videos&app=youtube_gdata on your shield window you have to patch metal net from microwave door

[-] 2 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Thanks! Protesters will have to break a line of riot police to do this no doubt. Surround them? In advance?

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Did u link to the right thing?

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

dunno. http://www.behance.net/gallery/StopWars/440610 arrange dem massquerade!

[-] 1 points by Rebdem (71) 2 years ago

The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military,[1] designed for area denial, perimeter security and crowd control.[2] Informally, the weapon is also called the heat ray[3] since it works by heating the surface of targets, such as the skin of targeted human subjects. Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced-range version of this technology.[4] The ADS was deployed in 2010 with the United States military in the Afghanistan War, but was withdrawn without seeing combat.[5] On August 20, 2010 the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department announced its intent to use this technology on prisoners in the Pitchess Detention Center in Los Angeles, stating its intent to use it in "operational evaluation" in situations such as breaking up prisoner fights.[6] The ADS is currently only a vehicle-mounted weapon, though U.S. Marines and police are both working on portable versions.[7] ADS was developed under the sponsorship of the DoD Non-Lethal Weapons Program with the Air Force Research Laboratory as the lead agency.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

dont you think looking that up on line would get you more information?

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Sure, if I weren't awful at engineering.

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

How about this. Is there a way to stockpile metal shields and stay in formation like a Roman legion? Will the energy still have to be grounded?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

just Google it

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

The answer to all state secrets are on Google.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

ok....?

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[-] 0 points by Ray1 (22) from Chardon, OH 2 years ago

Yes the idea would that a Microwave weapon would disoreint any crowd by slow cooking there brains when pointed at them. Been tested. Now what would happen if I rigged my microwave and pointed it with the door open at my neighboors dog?

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

I can't figure out how to make notifications go away with answering.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

it doesn't cook your brains it gives you bad sunburn

[-] 0 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 2 years ago

Microwaves cook soft tissue first and will eventually cook it all. However, simply leaving the door open will not shoot out a focused beam of 750-3000 watts of MW energy.

Now if you couple the kitchen magnetron up to an appropriately sized luneberg (around 8"), or parabolic (around 5'), the 750+ watts becomes decisively, much more lethal than just bypassing the interlock on the door, which will hurt a human.

As far as the weapon from the OP, I've yet to see any of the high level pentagon or military brass subject themselves to "testing" of it.

[-] -1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Depends on how long you leave it on.

[-] 2 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

From what I understand, they are not microwaves, but rather larger wavelengths and thus they contain much less energy. They are meant to cause discomfort to the outer layer of skin but they will not penetrate like true microwaves.

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

It's supposed to used for five seconds. It burns the lower levels of the epidermis after that. That's a really dangerous weapon to be using for crowd control.

[-] 2 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

I agree with Mr Barton here. If used for under 5 seconds it will only cause pain and no actual injury it is likely better than other crowd dispersal methods such as rubber bullets, tear gas, batons, tazers, etc.. Anything can cause injury if used inappropriately, but I would take these waves over any of those other methods I listed.

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Glad to hear your not scared of it. Sounds like bum rushing the operator is the solution.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Well that is where the line between non-lethal and lethal may get crossed. I would seriously think twice about bum rushing either the cop or marine operating one of these because in that case they would likely use lethal force.

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

I know. It's a horrible idea. Does anyone have anything more practical we could do. There must be a way to disrupt the machine. And we can't make full suits of armor.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

it is not at all the worse it can do is cause second degree burns.It doesn't cause cancer it doesn't do anything except heat the surface of your skin. Its considered safer than water cannons

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

All they did to their test subjects was cause accidentally cause second degree burns. The poison is in the dose

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

"cause accidentally cause"

Yes and water is poison to if you drink to much. The Ray isnt designed to kill. This isnt a bad thing if it is used no one will get skin cancer no one will die in any way. This is a safe way to disperse a crowd of people

[-] 0 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 2 years ago

First thing radiation cooks is the eyeballs......... several conditions, resulting from radiation exposure are well documented. If it causes physical pain to the body, it's doing worse to the eyes, which do not tell the brain about the pain, and are the fastest healing organs in the body.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Looks like it will "fry your brain" if you stand in front of it too long. Just a matter of time before someone sues because of sustained injuries.

I think using "paintball guns" would be a better solution and they can tag the perp with indellible ink to identify them.

[-] 2 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

Funny. But cops misuse tasers all the the the time and get away with it. They tasered my brother 20-30 times when he asked to be arrested because he was having a psychotic episode. He has seizures now but the police claim its not related. My foot. I've seen no justice in our system. We should prepare before it happens. I.care bc my grandfather quit being a goverment contractor over this weapon. Why he told me I.blame on senility since literally I'm the only one in his extended family that knows jack crap about engineering.