Forum Post: Republicans Would Outsource Their Own Mothers!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 1:28 p.m. EST by ithinkergoiam
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Sixty thousand US Factories moved to China under the auspices of the US Chamber of Commerce and it's political puppets - the Republican President and Congress...
With this Great Transfer, six million US jobs went with it...
Make No Mistake -- Republicans and the Greedy 1%, Buried America...
No, they'd privatize her.
democracy means compromise. That is something the jackasses in DC have long forgotten. Both DEMS and REPS work for the same corporations and have paralyzed DC because that is what the corporations want. No legislation means no regulation and no regulation means they can continue to loot the country for their own gain. Bank on it.
Indeed - Republicans would outsource their Grandmothers too...
Fuck you and your divide and conquer trolling, OP.
Political parties are fronts for the ruling elite mafia.
OK....
Now what...
Grab your ankles.
Basic macroeconomics. Year one college stuff right here. Outsourcing raises the net welfare of the economy as a whole, even if it hurts a small number of individuals.
Man - I had three semesters of economics, and I don't remember that...
David Ricardo's work (On the Principles of Political Economy and Taxation) did not apply to labor...
Say what? The Democrats were in charge of the ENTIRE government from 2009 to 2011, and all of Congress from 2007 to 2011 - so what's your point here? Get yourself out of the L/R paradigm and oppose the FED!!
Ron Paul 2012
OK. This is the 'awakening' that is taking place here in America. So, what we do next... is we identify SPECIFICALLY the most notorious of Corporate offenders... whether it be 'outsourcing'... 'lobbying'... 'misappropriation of Federal bailouts'... 'tax evasion'... 'environmental pollution'... or 'mass layoffs'. I think you should start a list and call it something like, "THE CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE RUINED AMERICA"... and then we tie your list to the Washington D.C. bureaucrats who are PUPPETS to these mega-Corporations. Once you have published this list... we can all use it as a method of BOYCOTTING nationwide these criminal-minded entities.
Sounds like a plan...
http://www.getmoneyout.com
Just added and published my own signature. Good start. I look forward to seeing a list of those Companies that are the biggest offenders.
Just added and published my own signature. Good start. I look forward to seeing a list of those Companies that are the biggest offenders.
Cool
Guys, sorry to break it to you, but people don't "send" jobs overseas like you would postcards. They flow overseas depending on a multitude of criteria.
Yes - the primary criteria is the 50 cent per day labor rate.
The secondary criteria is the complete lack of a legal system and the unbridled abuse of workers and the environment...
Is this what you want for our country?
out of a total of approximately 134 million jobs, it's 4.4%. It's not zero, but also not a number to get excited about.
More jobs have disappeared due to robots/computers in the USA. We all have a picture of robots replacing workers on the auto assembly line, but a more devastating "hidden" loss is among middle management jobs where one manager with a computer today can do the job of 10 middle managers of 20 years ago.
It is called progress. A robot can ensure quality to a very accurate degree which you enjoy when you car runs for years without a problem. This reminds of a story I read about a Frenchman candlemaker in the 1700's that wrote his representative to persuade him to make a law requiring people to close their shades during the day. Then they would buy more candles and more people would be employed making candles.
I just re-read Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. 1952 novel "Player Piano" about a society where machines do ALL the work. It should be "must" reading for everyone today.
Love your candle story. A favorite one-panel cartoon I have is of a man standing in his living room, in front of his shattered bay window, holding a brick with a note attached that says "window broken? call Acme Glass..."
My wife is in management at our local hospital which is having difficulty primarily because of population moving away. She asks how to "market" a hospital and I reply, "well, I don't know, but how about doing an door to door insurance survey and for those who say they do have health insurance, take out a bat and break their leg?"
Dude --
60 thousand US Manufacturing plants are now in China - those plants are not employing robots...
yes, I was talking about the USA plants who use robots and computers. You are looking at the small percentage of companies who have located to China. I'm looking at the ones who are still here.
And it's a huge misconception to think Chinese factories are a bunch of peasants sitting around hand-assembling everything. Most Chinese factories are highly automated using state of the art equipment. The Chinese government finances and subsidizes almost everything. The next "industry" to leave our shores to go to China and India are higher level education, including medical education. Both countries are building state of the art hospitals and medical schools, staffed mostly by USA educated and trained Chinese and Indian doctors of the past 25 years.
I hear you...
But the vast majority of those US Jobs that move to China are not replaced by robots...
I've lived this industry sector for 25 years with business dealings and numerous business trips to China..
And not a single job went to China under Clinton, or even Obama. Oh, I get it, now. Thanks for enlightening me to that simple truth.
If you read my many other posts you would know that the Democrats now realize that they made a huge mistake with NAFTA
Unfortunately, the Republicans still don't realize this...
And your answer is to bring all of those jobs back and protect them with tariffs? First of all, even with 96% employment (commonly known as full employment) there would be so much inflation due to the increased costs of producing things here that standards of living would decrease because many products would be priced out of range of some Americans.
Remember Smoot-Hawley? Now that was a good fix for the economy, now wasn't it.
Well --
Since the Chinese render a 25 % tariff on all goods imported from the USA. I would not be oppossed to that idea...
The fact of the matter is that the average American saves just under 1700.00 dollars per year from the goods imported from China. The Average American, on the other hand, has paid a much higher price for those cheap Chinese goods...
How about the "Opportunity Cost" of having an 18,000 dollar per year income from Walmart as opposed to a 25K to 35K dollar per year job from the Whirlpool Factory that used to make refridgerators in Indiana, as an example...
I completely disagree with you dude..
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C'mon now, let's keep it honest. Whom is the head of Obama's finical team? The CEO of GE whom pays no taxes and sends thousands of jobs over seas. When Obama was giving his joint session speech Immelt was his guest of honor and he is the worst of them all.
I agree....it is not just Republicans it is every politician in Washington D.C. including Obama and even members of the Supreme Court. All of them are bought and paid for: as are all and I mean ALL National News Sources.
Reminder: do not respond to the Trolls, naysayers and surly types.
Why do you republicans have such a fascination with Immelt?
I'm not defending GE or the President...
Fact is 60 thousand US Factories (over 6 million US jobs) went to China under the auspices of the previous President and his financial backer "The US Chanmber Of Commerce"
I support free trade but I am a stonch supporter for keeping jobs in America. I am not republican, I am an independent conservative who votes for the best person for the job.
Good --
Let's focus on the real issue -- JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!
USA Jobs!
Bring back the 60 thousand factories that went to China in the last ten years!
Then the Republicans are running this site, all of the donations have been out sourced already.
I came to this site Friday night to offer my assistance as a non-profit organizer. I can do basic coding of web pages, accounting, and other functions.
Mainly I wanted to get some sanitation facilities out to Zucotto (sic) park.
In a matter of about 20 minutes I found over 15 contact listings, and left vmail and email on every one of them.
24 hours later, no response. They aren't even updating the site anymore.
Where did everyone, and the "tens of thousands" http://afgj.org/?p=1765#more-1765 of dollars go?
Well, the General Assembly never was in the US, they are operating out of a hotel room somewhere in Nicaragua, and the money has been deposited in a Central American bank.
How could the people do this to our citizens, how can members of our government support this?
They have to know, it only took me 20 minutes to find out, and they had days and hundreds of people on their staffs.
"Left vs Right" thinking is "Inside the box" thinking. It is a diversion used by the 1% to keep the 99% in line.
OWS is "thinking outside the box" i.e. from a new perspective.
Dude -- if I offended you with labels sorry...
Truth is that Right Wing has and continues to OUTSOURCE everything, and this is the real reason that there are NO JOBS dude...
Not so much offended by the labels. The Truth is all of the corrupt Replicrats (Republican/Democrats) are part of the problem.
If you have a computer with a hardware problem no amount of rewriting the software will fix it. The system (hardware) in America has been rigged (broken) by the 1%. It needs fixing (by the People). Arguing Left vs Right is like rewriting the software -- it's pointless.
I hear ya man..
But the fact of the matter is that the Republican Stronghold on policy is indeed bought and paid for by their donors...
Democrats are bought by workers, not the wealthy 1%...
Why would you want to help further the polarization of US citizens? Most Republicans are part of the 99%. This is not "me against you." It's "us against them."
Yes but those Republicans are indeed voting against their own best self interest because they are indedd being mislead by the Big Money Intertests of the wealty 1% and it's political puppet - the Republican Party
We all know that stuff is bad right now. We all have that in common. Pointing fingers at each other is not going to help solve the problems. In fact, keeping us fighting amongst ourselves is a great tactic for quelling the uprising. It's true that many of us are misguided by the media and politicians via corporate interests. That is why I believe that a great first step is to take the money out of politics. I think 99% of us can agree on that.
I'm completely onboard with ya...
Money is the problem -- but remember the Right Wing Supreme Court Decision last year known as Citizens Unitied?
Bleck. Don't even get me started on the Supreme Court. Lol. This is just a sign that our system has been broken for a very long time. Like politicians, our media is motivated by corporate funding and interests. Getting the money out of politics is a great way to get the ball rolling on all of these issues. It's not an overnight cure. Once the politicians are working for us, our concerns will be addressed one by one.
Do you know Dylan Ratigan?
http://www.getmoneyout.com
I hadn't heard of him. Thanks so much for the information, ithinker. This looks like a proposal I can endorse.
Cool
So, no talk about the taxes? Union labor? Regulations? Come on man. At least your mother did not find you inconvenient.
If you really believe that Unions and Regulations are responsible for this migration, you really have no clue...
Remember Chinese Labor rate is 50 cents per day with ZERO regulation...
Is that the America you want dude? No regulation from the blind corporate greed that would rape it's own people and planet?
Duhhh..
The fact is that it's been a PURE RACE TO THE BOTTOM with the Republican supported Outsourcers...
As I expected. Please look into the cause and effect of why corporations had to move offshore. Educate yourself.
Dude as I said -- I've spend the last 25 years working at the cutting edge of manufacturing industry in the USA...
I've studied this issue probably more than anyone on this forum...
Oh -- and I'm a successful electronics engineer and accomplished software engineer who has designed and developed dozens of industrial and consumer products...
RACE TO THE BOTTOM dude..
RACE TO THE BOTTOM to satisfy the short term Wall Street imperative...
So, you think there should be a ban on using Indian engineers? The resources will find themselves to the best use regardless of whatever laws you put forth.
No -- there should be a strong emphasis on Science and Engineering education in our schools...
It's not about enginnering - it's about manufacturing the products that our engineers invented right here in our country..
Think about it - virtually every single major technology was invented here in the USA. Much of this was done using taxpayer money in the form of publically funded R&D vis-a-vis our Universities and Natioal Laboratories...
We don't and are not benefiting from this by doing the manufacturing...
So Apple was born in a uni? Come on man.
Again -- I'm an Electronics Engineer that has spent his entire career designing and developing products...
Apple was not, but the device known as the Transistor and another device known as the Integrated Circuit Chip was indeed funded by US Taxpayer money - - infact the entire Semiconductor Industry was funded out of DARPA and the US Defense Budget...
Facts dude...
Did you ever think at some point that helping other countries industrialize will create a larger pie in the long run. But nope, you want to hoard your proportion, even if its dwindling because you feel like a bigger fish in a small pond.
Outsourcing doesn't actually industrialize a country.
It cripples the autonomous businesses in that outsourced country so they can't compete with their corporate imperialists.
And they are paid low wages...
You mean like how it destroyed taiwan, Japan and the Asian tiger economies from the 60s onwards?
Japan was industrialized prior to the 60's. How else could they have participated as a dominant power during WWII (or even WWI)?
Basically, what you're saying is that creating factories in a particular region brings all the benefits, education, and autonomy of a completely industrialize nation. But as we can even see in our OWN country, Detroit did not reap any of these benefits.
When that factory decides to close, it cripples the workers. And if the Detroit workers aren't able to create their own factories, then they are worse off than they were before.
Thats because they did not reinvest in their future. No, building those factories provide an opportunity. Parents in the asian tiger economies slaved off in the factories so that they could pay for their children's education. And within a generation or so, their kids became engineers and managers. The problem is not a matter of opportunity but a matter of not blowing your savings on the next large SUV or Pool or 5 bed room house you can't afford so your future generation will have a shot.
Example:
Taiwanese factory worker at a Disney toy factory in Taiwan works to send her child to the United States for an eduction. The kid studies "toy manufacturing" at Harvard, and then comes back to Taiwan to create her own Taiwanese toy company. However, now she has to compete with Disney--a multi-billlion dollar a year conglomerate.
That's the problem. Taiwan can't create it's own successful toy company because Disney has enough money to corner the toy market.
Additionally, the Taiwanese student displaced an American student in college.
uhhh, way to show your complete ignorance with regards to value addition and supply chain. So what really ended up happening was that that student probably studied something useful and had a future like electrical engineering and went and started another FAB (semiconductor plant). Which ended up lower the price of ram and HD and processors which feeds back into moore's law. Because of ever lower costs for electronics, Apple and HP and other systems integrators can keep selling better products at lower costs, allowing american consumers to buy ipads, iphones, etc.
Yeah, allowing AMERICAN consumers to buy iPads, iPhones, etc.
But what about in Taiwan?
GDP per capita rose 10 fold.
Where? In Taiwan? But they don't reap the revenue from an American company. Disney's facilities in Taiwan produce revenue for Disney, not for the Taiwanese factory.
Same thing if I replaced Disney with IBM or Apple. It's still Steve Jobs that took the money and ran.
The point was that it was better than farming, and the surplus you gained if reinvested properly on future generations, will ensure prosperity. I am not talking to you anymore, you exhibit the reasoning skills of a 12 year old.
Uh huh. And you exhibit the understanding of economics of a brainwashed college student.
Of course, you operate under the assumption that technology = better. Not sure why people do this. You've bought into another fabrication of industrialization. Oh well. "Forgive him, father, for he knows not why he's a fool."
then GTFO the internet and stop posting on forums
Because I can talk to stupids like you and maybe learn you something.
Guess you're lost. My mistake.
Not happening...
Evidence thus far is it won't happen, at least not for The Average American. The pie doesn't get larger - it gets radically smaller...
Duhhh...