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Forum Post: Representative King Ups The Game

Posted 1 year ago on April 25, 2013, 8:10 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Fox News reporter Greta Van Susteren asked Representative King about the appearance of Magistrate Marianne Bowler at the hospital bedside of the Marathon bombing suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Kings response, as reported by The Washington Free Beacon:

PETER KING: My understanding the FBI did not invite the magistrate. The FBI was conducting its interrogation and the magistrate arrived which I think is unusual. I haven’t practiced law in awheel but I haven’t heard of a judge coming uninvited or unannounced to conduct an arraignment while interrogation is still going on. That is one of the issues. And also, apparently there was an Assistant U.S. Attorney with the magistrate. I don’t know if it this was arranged by the Attorney General for the Justice Department, it just raised very interesting issues.

This report has been echoed throughout the Fox News empire, and goes so far as to quote Janet Napolitano as claiming "Right Hand Didn't Know What Left Hand Was Doing"

On April 20, King was one of four elected representatives advocating for the intrusion of military authority in the pursuit of Justice.

This has the feel of a carefully choreographed political campaign, with the purpose, in this case,

of deliberately subverting the United States Constitution

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Previous Post on this matter: Any comments on the Movement to Impeach?

Petition to Impeach Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and Representative Peter King (R-N.Y.)

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Since when does the FBI invite a magistrate? That would be very unusual, I would think. It very may well be the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing-as far as the FBI was concerned. It may also be a not so secret little war behind the scenes.

I suspect that this will be very public and intentionally so.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I thought I had heard a report on the news where the FBI refuted the idea that they hadn't finished their questions. I can't find it repeated anywhere.

Maybe they had, maybe they hadn't - either way, King is clearly campaigning to expand military authority in these cases.

It looks like he has backing.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Looks to me like Greta is attempting to provide cover for certain elements of this nonsense - I'm sure the judicial system can hold someone over the weekend if they are jailed on Fri eve for example - we don't universally hold court hearings on Sat am -

What she may be providing cover for is the political pressure that obviously has taken place surrounding this issue. Her report refutes the contention, widely circulated among Fox affiliates, that the interrogation was interrupted - but even as it does so she again lends credence to the entire philosophy that enemy combatant status is appropriate with the following quote:

She assumes the facts will come out, and so provides cover for her own reporting and the way it has been used with that quote.

I would also point out that in her other report there is a significant typo - as copied faithfully above which reads:

  • I haven’t practiced law in awheel

This could easily be a simple error - it could also be a signal, one with a specific purpose, to be understood by a very select few, likely relating to any off the record remarks that took place between them.

She is in my view, someones very specific, and very well paid, tool.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I bet it's a shit editing job. For myself, I don't see her as lending credence to enemy combatant status. In fact, I see it as going the opposite direction. But, I agree with everything else in that she knows the truth will come out and she is covering her own ass.

It's like a Nancy Grace interview with a prosecutor or attorney and that person says, but you know that isn't how it works. She knows. It just doesn't fit her agenda and she banks on other people not knowing.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the quote:

  • the official said they had no real option under the law, saying “You can’t hold people without charges.”

to me suggests the law as it is, is insufficient. The absence of any further information or context enables people to fill in around the statement and what they use for fill will be informed by their own knowledge or experience, their individual bias, and current reporting.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I don't understand why. If we keep the fact that in the background is this is an American citizen and that this is the right jurisdiction then it alleviates the fear of indefinite detention.

[-] -1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

because that is exactly what they are lobbying to change - whether U.S. citizens may be handed over to military authority in a criminal matter.

The fact that you cannot hold U.S. citizens apprehended on U.S. soil is the fulcrum of this hoopla. One side says yes, the other no.

It is, at present, a rather delicate balance - and the more confusion created around the timing of his miranda reading and the more it can appear that this adherence to due process hindered a terror investigation, the more weight is lent to the wrong side of this . . . debate.

They are not debating on the merits but rather on the ability to persuade the public.

And there may in fact be a means of measuring any public opinion shifts just by measuring electronic data, rather than actually conducting an opinion poll.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You know what? You're right. She makes no bones about her stance and that would start from the beginning.

Zen, did you see the typo?

Ok, I have been looking at this too long and I need to get ready to go.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm still looking but, I just read something about mom and dad. http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s2999603.shtml

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I had seen that in other news reports. She's freaked.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I bet. I take it she has a warrant on top of all of this.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That I haven't seen - the construct of this article presents the possibility, it may be credible. I wasn't sure, some of what I've seen made me think someone might be embellishing the story line surrounding her. It was minor, can't recall what made me think that, and I was headed in another direction and getting no where.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

shoplifting and property damage. I just came across another article that says that she is wanted and thus implying that she has a warrant

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Link? I'll read it tomorrow

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Since court records are public records we must assume that she does have a felony warrant out - and a felony warrant for shoplifting suggests the possibility of ties to organized crime. It suggests shoplifting in bulk, which is usually resold, and that usually involves a network of individuals acting in cooperation - some of these networks can be sizable and elaborate.

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I wonder what differences a careful and detailed analysis might reveal regarding the way the media and politicians have handled the issue of bomb suspects family in other cases?

Imarat Kavkaz -- the "Caucasus Emirate," in English -- has its roots in the 1990s Chechen insurgency against Russia. . . . founded in 2007 to bring together various jihadist groups fighting to create an Islamic state in the region.

. . . leader is Doku Umarov, a veteran Chechen guerrilla who claimed responsibility for the the 2011 bombing of Moscow's international airport. According to a 2011 report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Caucasus Emirate has significant ties to al Qaeda.

"The evidence of the Caucasus Emirate's integration into global Jihad is overwhelming. Umarov has repeatedly associated the Caucasus Emirate with the global Jihad," the study concluded.

Suspects: Immigrant dream to American nightmare

Separately, a U.S. intelligence source told CNN that investigators are looking into whether Tsarnaev had any connections with the group. The source said Tsarnaev had several computer links to the group in his social media activities and investigators are looking into the possibility he may have received "operational plans" from this group.

Why do we allow wire taps of U.S. citizens who connect internationally? Ostensibly to detect this exact kind of association, in part using a rather large data base which parses the data on the basis of key words. That no intercept of this individual took place as a result of posting links to this group is an indication of nothing other than denial on the part of the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

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  • Graham: 'Ultimate blame' for Boston attacks on administration

    • Washington (CNN) – Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Thursday the administration is to blame for not preventing last week's terror attack at the Boston Marathon finish line.

    • This marks the first time the attacks have been so politicized in the search for answers for how the two brothers suspected of the bombings slipped past government anti-terror detection measures.

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It seems to me there is a good deal of political theater taking place, none of it is good, some of it is down right creepy, as this article documented last night about 11:30 pm - wherein I copied the following:

  • Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said in a CNN interview that the city should have been told earlier.

  • "Even though this may or may not have been spontaneous, for all we know there could be other conspirators out there, and the city should have been alerted so it could go into its defensive mode," he said.

  • in a show of force, police cruisers with blinking red lights were lined up in the middle of Times Square on Thursday afternoon, and uniformed officers stood shoulder to shoulder.
  • "Why are they standing like that? This is supposed to make me feel safer?" asked Elisabeth Bennecib, a tourist and legal consultant from Toulouse, France. "It makes me feel more anxious, like something bad is about to happen."

  • Above the square, an electronic news ticker announced that the Boston Marathon suspects’ next target might have been Times Square.

NOTE: the article above has since been edited and reposted with a date notation of: 04/26/2013 5:35 AM By COLLEEN LONG and JENNIFER PELTZ - that would be early this morning, and much of the text I copied last night no longer appears in this version of the article.

The comments by Elisabeth Bennecib and the note about the electronic news ticker have been edited out.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Since court records are public records we must assume that she does have a felony warrant out - and a felony warrant for shoplifting suggests the possibility of ties to organized crime. It suggests shoplifting in bulk, which is usually resold, and that usually involves a network of individuals acting in cooperation - some of these networks can be sizable and elaborate.


No, the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony shoplifting charge is the value of the items taken.

Isn’t shoplifting considered a minor offense? What determines if the charge is a misdemeanor or a felony?

Shoplifting is theft and a criminal offense no matter how much a person steals. However, the actual charges are determined by the amount and value of the merchandise stolen. What that amount is varies from state to state. For example, shoplifting is generally considered a misdemeanor (petit theft or larceny) if the value of the merchandise is less than $200 - $500. If the value of the stolen goods exceeds $500, it is often considered a felony and a person can be charged with grand theft or grand larceny. (Refer to Shoplifting Laws by State below to find the shoplifting laws in your state.) http://www.shopliftingprevention.org/shoplifting-laws/shoplifting-laws.html

So, lets say that I walk into a store and attempt to steal some necklaces, a bathing suit, two pairs of earrings and a few dresses. The total value is something like $550 and now it's a felony. Give me a sec to read the rest.I just wanted to address that first.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Suggests the possibility - not a confirmed fact, yes, the value of goods taken is what determines whether a felony or misdemeanor has been committed.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I am unwilling to make that kind of a leap. I just thought that on top of trying to process what has occurred and having one son dead and the other in a hospital that she was also in fear of being arrested.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That is a pretty big leap

You may be right - I've seen a report from 60 Minutes I think, and I'm honestly not certain of the significance this possibility might present. If it did happen to be the case, it would provide the FBI potential reason to have followed these individuals more closely than has been acknowledged -

and this entire piece can have - or be having - a negative over all effect on the immigration debate in a subtle and unstated manner.

The suggestion will exist in some minds, given a familiarity with the subject matter.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It is a leap, yes. Not sure how big of a leap it is.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That is a pretty big leap to jump from someone who may have attempted to steal merchandise that is valued at a felony level because they wanted it to working for organized crime. I can't do it.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What is a CNN analysis of social media? An account with Spokeo? I keep reading through that article and I am noting what they do not know. When did a CNN analysis of social media become legitimate fact versus what is inferred.

It does look like a lot of theater.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

What is a CNN analysis of social media? An account with Spokeo?

haven't seen that - but it is clear that Graham is blaming the admin for an intel lapse that had to begin with NSA - and that is theater, I have no doubt.