Forum Post: repeated attacks on republicans
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 21, 2011, 7:08 p.m. EST by jmack
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The more you all blame republicans/fox news the bigger the divide will get.You all are giving the right leaning media all it needs.You say you are not taking sides yet you only seem to go after republican.This is why much of america and the world see this as a push from the left and Obama.
It’s called fighting back.
You don’t really expect people to sit in front of their monitors day after day and watch conservatives, Fox, GOP cheerleaders try to disrupt this site and parrot their right wing horse shit.
Anybody that’s been on this site awhile quickly realizes that there are a bunch of pricks that do nothing but post ridiculous and disruptive crap.
I can only speak for myself, but I am no longer going to pretend they don’t exist. If we can’t have meaningful threads then we might as well expose their stupidity
republicans and fox news are evil demonic entities that must be stopped. Obama is a problem, but hes nowhere near as evil or dangerous as fox or any given republican. The essential standing position of OWS from the 99 percent declaration is we will give the current power structure a short time to respond and change. If it doesn't then we will form a new third party and remove all dems and all republicans. Either way Fox news will end up confiscated and its assorted players will end up in prison for treasonous crimes against the truth and lying to the public.
The ONLY reason why people are seeing this as a push from the left and obama is because the far right spin doctors and liars are SAYING so. If you believe them, you are a dupe.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Liked, again.
Civil war? You really should think about this. It will not be as easy as tossing folks out. Much of America , middle America are very much republican.
and how long do you think those people will continue to support the republicans when the assorted crimes of the republican leadership are unmasked and made public? How long do you think that the wool can be pulled over the sheeple herds eyes? Even the republican dupes will see the light at some tipping point, it is only a matter and question of getting our act together to present the truth to them. As it is, OWS is already COMPOSED of about 20 percent republicans. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, closer to 30 percent. You are kidding yourself if you think the republicans can hold their sheeple herd in constant ignorant dumblefuck. The gig is up, the republican party is a dead party walking.
As is the democratic party... etc.
They will own the next election. Everyone knows that. I grew up during the cold war. I saw what the folks who lived in the Eastern Block went through. I will never let my family live through that. Civil war first.
who will own the next election? "they" is a bit vague. are you arguing the republicans will? that would be delusional. Maybe you haven't put your finger to the wind but dissatisfaction with congress is at an all time low, and this new "supercongress"? the approval rating is in single digits and dropping. Its likely to go into negative numbers before the election. Get real.
republicans will win. Like I said before, most of us are happy. Most of us have jobs. Check the gridlock on the Southern Cal freeways everyday. Folks are going somewhere. Work.
not bloody likely, "happy"? is a relative thing, the sheeple are miserable in their fake happiness and wouldn't know real happiness if it bit them.
Having a job? being a wage slave? like thats some kind of armor against truth or reason? "US" ? lol. You are a republican. Your time as such is coming to a close. Your mind can't shut out the truth forever.
Folks are running in a rat race and waking up to see that truth. You can't stop the awakening, and "republican" is the dino ISM thats not going to make the evolutionary cut.
There are millions of us. All of middle America. Millions listen to Rush everyday. Millions. Millions watch Fox. It still is the number 1 news station for a reason. I think we will have civil war 15 years from now. The Dems are no longer just the folks across the isle. They are the enemy. We feel the same way about you as you feel for us.
wrong. we don't see you as the enemy, we see you as duped members of the 99 percent. You seeing us as the enemy only proves you are duped. listening to rush limbo only proves you are duped. listening to fox news only proves you are duped. The dupage can only go on so long.
and its not all of middle america. its an increasingly shrinking 30 percent.
15 years from now if both the dems and republicans aren't ancient history, 7 years from now civilization will collapse due to mass distribution network failure. You "think"? lol. Your ignorant, a duped and ignorant tool.
You don't feel the same thing about us as we feel about you. quite the opposite. You are all involved in a fucking war of the ideals, and every last one of the ideals you all hold is wrong, stupid, evil, ignorant, and self destructive. We are involved in an evolutionary process which includes you, and understand quite clearly that you are only hurting yourselves.
Grow up. Quite being a pwn.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Then why are we so happy? I work at a large theme park and everyone that comes in is happy and excited. The parking lot is full of nice cars. People on vacation. People spending money. The Fed Gov is hiring. Go to Jobs USA. How come so many people I know, young and old say to me all the time "Who is OWS and are they still protesting?" Also, it may be hard to change the entire State of Texas.
Again, you claiming that everyone is happy is pretty fucking silly, in a nation thats on edge and over it, amped up on drugs, committing suicide in record numbers, ... thelist goes on. You CLAIM people are happy. You have no real meter on that other than your biased projections and perceptions.
the state of texas won't be as hard as the city of SB. Some places will flip easily. 72 percent of new york agrees with OWS. Larger metropolitan cities already claim an absolute majority. And thats only two months in. Even stupid evil fucks who are trolling and playing games will end up either crossing over or being plowed under, you can't keep yanking our chains forever. The chains are coming off, and your gig is up; your number has been called. Its only a matter of time.
Well, not in my neighborhood, we are happy. I asked my grown daughter about OWS today and she did not know what I was talking about. She was just planning Thanksgiving dinner like most of us. I did not say everyone is happy, just most of us. To the middle and upper middle class, things are pretty good right now. What about the millions of Federal and State and city workers? They are fine. What about the military? They are doing well. Millions of us are doing fine. I'm sorry that you are not. Check it, not one swear word! A lot of folks do not know about you because you are getting little news.
sorry, not most of us. you can live in an isolated little backwoods poohick town, its just going to take time for the double think to creep up and for you to realize; you ain't happy. you think you are but you have nothing really to measure it by. What you ar ealso doing is making an argument for OTHER people. MOST americans ARE NOT happy, as evidence by only a single digit approval rating of congress, and all of the social symptoms of unrest including poverty, crime, drugs, and everything else. You can't speak for everyone; you can only speak for yourself.
To the middle class and upper class things are not that good unless you are stupidly and brazenly double thinking that you WANT to be happy.
The military is doing so well that suicide deaths now outnumbers combat deaths. everyones sooooo fooking happy.
I am plenty happy. you aren't sorry one bit you are a fucktard troll playing a con scam ruse on what you think is a dumpty. fuck you.
a lot of folks don't know about us because we are getting little news. duh. we knew this already there are t shirts "the revolution will not be televised." thats because the evil bastards who run the media don't want you or your daughter to learn the truths that would make you uncomfortable enough that you'd stop trolling.
republicans aren't demonic, the republican party may be though. don't waste time bothering with silly things such as bad mouthing the opposition! don't stoop to their level!
Then shut up and raise those god damn taxes on filthy rich pigs. Stop being a bunch of god damn cry babies when it comes to taxes. Do that, and I for one, will be on your side. I already agree more with your party when it comes to crime, guns, and abortion. But you're fucking wacked in the head when it comes to tax reform. You won't even close corporate loopholes unless it's part of an overall plan to lower taxes on the rich.
So god damn it. Shut the fuck up, quit throwing a bloody cry-baby fit over taxes, and raise them on those making over $250,000 per year. Then, if and when things improve for all 5 quintiles (income vs actual cost of living ratio), we can talk about a new tax structure. But until then, just shut the fuck up and raise those god damn taxes on the rich. Just god damn fucking do it you sold out bloodsucking corporate rich pig suck-ups. Just do it.
No? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT.
God damn rotten sell-out bastards.
Man take a second and think about the concept of taxes... Please. Taxes take money from those in the country, and give it to the government. The government then wastefully spends our money because it is essentially a monopoly, and then decides to TAX EVEN MORE.
Although it may be hard for a person that never ran a business to understand, JOBS COME FROM SAVINGS AND INVESTMENTS, it all goes back into the economy for the people to be prosperous.
IF YOU are calling for increased taxes, you are calling to kill jobs and investment, and you are calling for more incentive for a corrupt government to grow. STOP IT!
The problem is the federal reserve which facilitates government, and corporations to continue to screw us, taking OUR MONEY and increasing INFLATION. STOP THAT.
Its not that hard to understand, if you just open your damn brain.
Bullshit. I've done my homework. From pre-depression era, to mid-depression era, to 1976 (best year ever for the middle class), to the '80's, '90's, and now. I've done my homework. You may be tempted to call me out on any issue related to growth, jobs, spending, taxes, inflation, debt, or entitlements. Go ahead. I can promise you I will back up my position with facts and statistics. I god damn promise it.
Raise those god damn taxes on those making over $250,000.
Have you read up on any Austrian Economics?
Have you read up on 'trickle down' economics? Have you found a single example of it working for the middle class in any country?
The ugly truth. America's wealth is STILL being concentrated. When the rich get too rich, the poor get poorer. These latest figures prove it. AGAIN.
According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans (actually, more like 98%), saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively. The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.
The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion. In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009. Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. In 1928, the rich were already way ahead. Still, they were given huge tax breaks. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated 44 percent of all United States wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the lower majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed.
Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, some US wealth was gradually transferred back down to the majority. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. By 1976, the richest 1 percent held less than 20 percent. The lower majority held the rest. This was the recovery. A partial redistribution of wealth.
Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own 40 percent of all US wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes are sharing the rest. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause. No redistribution. No recovery.
The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.
For the good of society, stop giving so much of your money to rich people. Stop concentrating the wealth. This may be our last chance to prevent the worst economic depression in world history. No redistribution. No recovery.
Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. Most major cities have daily call-in talk radio shows. You can reach thousands of people at once. They should know the ugly truth. Be sure to quote the figures which prove that America's wealth is still being concentrated. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.
I am fully against trickle down economics. That is where the Federal Reserve gives trillions to their buddies at the banks and big corporations. The banks get it at 0% interest then loan it out to the serfs with high interest rates. Now we have students with a trillion dollars worth of debt that Joe Biden made it impossible to claim in bankruptcy. The banks got the houses if the serfs missed a couple of payments. We have shows about people getting their cars repossessed while the American public is entertained. Just like people watching the show "Cops" and being entertained at a bunch of minorities getting pwnd by the drug war.
The FED gave out 12 trillion dollars from 2007 to 2011 to their already wealthy friends. They gave it to the rich so obviously the rich got richer.
Alright. I thought you were about to defend trickle down. I'm fed up with the spun up optimistic BS about it.
Great point about bankruptcy and student loan debt but they can claim it under extreme circumstances.
Are you sure that next to last line about the 12 trillion is true? It sounds pretty high. Can you elaborate on that figure of 12 trillion so I can look it up?
Yep, it was $12 trillion. Thank you Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders led the senate in getting Ron Lawl's Audit the Fed bill passed even though it didn't get a full audit. That is where we discovered the FED gave almost a third of it to foreign banks. Including the Bank of Libya.
I've read up on it.
Have you ever found a single example of it working in any country??
We had the closes thing to it in America which is why we got so wealthy. But unfortunately we gave up on that freedom and gave more money and power to DC thugs who used it for them and their friends personal gain.
"We had the closes thing to it in America which is why we got so wealthy. "
When?? Give me a time span when it was tried here and when the prosperity came.
Free Market capitalism is what many of the founders supported such as Thomas Jefferson. This country was founded on Freedom. I would say 1776 to 1913. Then we slowly became more keynesian until we reached this breaking point. Even John Maynard Keynes knew that this model was not sustainable.
So you're saying that before the Fed was created... Even though the First National Bank and Second National Bank had existed prior, everything was free and that's when we enjoyed the most prosperity??
Back in the days of slavery??
Back in the days before Henry Ford had invented the assembly line??
Back when China, India, France, and UK were all much larger economies than the US??
That's when we had the most "wealth" in your warped revisionist history??
Obviously libertarians don't support slavery. Henry Ford payed his workers the highest wage in the industry without any Unions. We became the wealthiest nation because we had more freedom. Tyranny has been around for ages and it always makes the poor poorer and the rich richer.
Libertarians support virtual slavery... Where businesses can collude to reduce a group of individuals to selling all their future labor for a piece of bread just to stay alive. What do you think happens when all private property is bought. It's essentially used to exploit people. It's Neofeudalism and Austrian School economics has never worked without a dictator imposing it on people using violence.
Volunteerism is the exact opposite of slavery. Freedom is the exact opposite of slavery. Now you are just making statements without any merit at all.
volunteerism is good for the soul, but I don't see how it could be good for putting food on the table. am i missing something?
You are asking a good question because not much people understand volunteerism. It deals with people making their own choices on who to trade with and who to deal with. OWS is very much volunteeristic because the people their choose to be, they choose to help each other or trade with eachother. But then we get involunteerism when the police state (government) arrives and pepper sprays faces of people who do not want to be sprayed.
So, it sounds like a healthy society would need a good dose of both. The cop chooses to volunteer his time to the common good while putting food on his table. Where as those that are not happy with the direction our nation is going is volunteering their time after work to protest. But, at least in my opinion, those who struggle to feed their children are not going to see the feeling of pride (maybe too strong of a word) and goodness that derives from volunteering. no?
I agree with Heffran. We need both. Nobody wants a totalitarian state where nobody is given any choices because, of course, that's slavery. But all the purist Libertarian views off the opposite political agenda simply achieve the same thing, but with benevolent intentions.
While I don't like the notion of the government telling me when and what I should eat, I do enjoy the fact that I can eat what I bought at the grocery store without having to test it on small animals to see if it can kill me first because I can safely assume the FDA has tested samples from that company and it would lead to repercussions to that them if could kill me.
You gain nothing by name calling and cursing inanely. Please remember, if you want to prove a point, seemingly on behalf of the 99%, argue effectively, do not call people names because they may not agree with you. Raise taxes? Lower taxes? WHO CARES! Just be accountable for the spending with the taxpayers' money! We must have that before we can even decide how much, on what and even if we collect and spend taxes at all!!
I'm all for ending this train wreck of waste, abuse, and outright theft on the part of our sold out leaders. But with such a daunting task, it can't be used indefinitely as an excuse to kiss rich pig ass. Raise those taxes.
According to the Social Security Administration, "In 2010 total wages and salaries came to $6,009,831,055,912.11.That’s a bit more than $6 trillion."
Our current National Debt is more than $15 trillion dollars. If we took EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR earned in this country for the next three years we'd barely be able to pay off that debt (I included interest). Every dollar. Not every "tax dollar"-EVERY dollar earned. At all. And THAT is only if we stopped spending even ONE dime until then!!
It doesn't matter how much we raise taxes-because until we control our spending and STOP digging the hole, we'll NEVER have enough "dirt" to fill it in. ALL the dirt we have, or will have, for the next three years still isn't enough to fill it because our government is shoveling day and night.
Federal income tax represents less than 1/2 of all government revenue. Anyway, those wages and salaries are top heavy and have been for the last 35 years when 95 percent of our national debt was racked up. They have been partially subsidized from the same pie we all share. They don't account for the trillions held in reserve by industry or the trillions in private wealth which have been accumulating at the top for 35 years. With a high concentration of wealth, more revenue is needed for financial aid. Also with record high charges (and profits) in health care, energy, and finance even more need for aid becomes necessary. I'm all for cutting waste but there is a strong relationship between 35 years of rising national debt and 35 years of concentrated income and wealth/capital. We don't need to pay off the national debt in 3 years or 5 or 10. After all, its been accumulating for decades. We only need to bend the curve and get on track to pay it off eventually. This will always be mathematically impossible until we address the concentration of income and wealth/capital. Most of which comes from the same damn pie anyway. The rest is legally held overseas or illegally hidden by rich pigs overseas.
Raising taxes is not the answer, the people who make $250K or more a year area already paying more in taxes than those making 100K since they are in a different tax bracket. They also tend to spend more money on larger ticket items which equate to more taxes. I love how everyone answer to everything is tax the rich. Well these rich people are also usually business owners which employee people, more taxes equal less new jobs. Also depending on how their business is set up they could actually net profit much less than $250K but they would still have to pay the higher taxes! Read more and stop listening to the liberal media!
Bullshit. Corporate profits have been partially subsidized with federal, state, and local revenue. This benefit has been hoarded at the top. Business managers make up the largest group of one percent club pigs. Plus 40% of the market is owned by the top 1%. Their record territory dividends have been partially subsidized by federal, state, and local revenue. The benefits have not been shared proportionally with the little guy. The lopsided division of growth across quintiles proves it. The highest percentile has grown more than 10 times faster than the middle percentile over the last 30 years. This is true EVEN AFTER taxes. When you account for inflation and the actual cost of living (tied to record high profits in energy, finance, and healthcare), the middle class have actually lost relative buying power while the top 1% have drastically increased their income and bottom line wealth. In 1976 (when their taxes were much higher), the top one percent reaped 9 percent of all private income and held less than 20 percent of all private wealth in America. Now, they reap 21 percent of all private income and hold 40 percent of all private wealth. Meanwhile, the lower majority (those who are still employed) are working more hours and have less to show for it. Also, small business creates more jobs dollar for dollar and shares more revenue with the little guy than big business. And god damn it. When I threw out the figure of $250,000, I was referring to personal income. Not business revenue.
RAISE THOSE GOD DAMN TAXES ON THE RICH!
Let's see, I owned businesses in my life and I always paid taxes on the ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME, not on the gross.
I deducted all legitimate business expenses, as allowed by the tax code. It doesn't matter how a business is set up, it's still only taxed on the adjusted gross.
Special interests, corruption, where and how do they fall under the "general welfare" clause?
No one in this country should pay taxes.
you need to shut your fucking mouth. there is no way that this great country will do that shit so lazy peices of shit like you will have a free pass through life.
Another stupid assumption about my own status in place of any attempt to debate the issues. Nice try kid. Now go play.
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you sound so smart in that post. 2 thumbs up.
Pay more taxes so we can have more wars and a bigger police state? No thanks.
Pay more taxes in part, so we can pay the military what they deserve, cover the bill, and prevent a complete societal meltdown. Which would inevitably result in a police state.
Bring the troops home and we can decrease the amount of money needed for the troops. We can save money and pay for the people that have become dependent on the system.
We certainly don't have to spend more than ALL of the rest of the world combined on defense. How about cutting it to, say, three times that of the top two defense spenders other than us? Then we could cut about $200 billion a year, or $2 trillion over the period the super committee was trying to cut $1.2 trillion. You're welcome.
ModestCapitalist is a liberal idiot who thinks he's so far ahead when really he's so very far behind.
How much in tax did you pay last year?
If you spend all your money what do you do? Do you work or demand handouts?
This country doesn't have a tax problem. It has a spending problem!
A dollar bill is taxed everytime it changes hands whether it's called a tax, fine, fee, toll, or surcharge.
Imagine if you owned a convenience store. If a customer buys something for a dollar then he will pay a sales tax. The dollar is revenue for you, so you'll pay a tax. You will use the dollar to pay your employee. The employee will pay income tax and sales tax when he spends the dollar at your store.
Consider a 10% tax rate, if a dollar bill changes hands 20 times then it generates $2.00 for government. Tax rates can be as high as 50%.
As usual, the same old half-wit assumptions and grade school psychological crap. The substance of your post isn't much better.
Tax rates on average are lower than ever. As a result, revenue as a percentage of GDP is down to 15%. That's about as low as it's ever been. That's not a spending problem. That's a tax problem.
Like I said before, I'm all for cutting waste and abuse. This includes some entitlements for those who sit on the couch when they should be looking for a job. Also outrageous payments for over priced prescription drugs, payments for unnecessary medical testing, subsidies for the most profitable industries in the world, outrageous no-bid contracts, unnecessary poorly planned wars (Viet Nam and Iraq), hundreds of unnecessary military bases around the world, and bail outs (the share holders should lose whatever returns were paid during the period in which the capital was lost. All bonuses paid within the period should be returned.).
Your point about taxes on every transfer is common knowledge. It doesn't change anything.
Close those corporate loopholes and raise taxes on the rich.
As a liberal, I've suffered all kinds of insults for 30 years.
They've crashed the economy and refuse to admit it, because FLAKESnews told them so.
Now they insist on more of the same of what crashed it, in the first place.
So does FLAKESnews.
So yeah, you could say I'm a little pissed.
They've been attacking me for years.
I don't call names, but I will disagree with them.
well no doubt. It's time.
Everything this article claims OWS is, stands in direct ideological contradiction to everything repelican . . . .
Occupy Wall Street redefines integrity By Brian Winkenweder Published: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/11/occupy_wall_street_redefines_i.html
Uh . . . hasn't it been the protesters who have been subjected to attack? The only attacks Repubs. have been getting that I have seen are attacks of indigestion after watching Karl Rove try to dance.
A study by Fairleigh Dickinson University proves what most no Fox watchers already know. http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
The Revolution has a theme song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8&feature=related
http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/
OWS is more than just a push from the left and Obama.
I'll tell you what I think about OWS. With the amount of stress people are under due to injustice, economic deprivation, political talk about rich versus poor etc., most would say it is no wonder a movement manifested. However, with how stringently controlled the media is, it could be speculated that such things were previously highly suppressed, but are gradually being revealed in bigger loads. Why? For people to become violent. When people are thinking with their emotions, they are incredibly easy to control and manipulate.
Some are saying what is manifesting in the U.S. is like how the protests swept across the Middle East. The problem with this is that I do not think it naturally happened and is essentially being instigated. It could be by foreign government or elements within a government that seek eventual permanent solidification of power. This issue with social networking being used as a tool by civilians to organize and rally people for protests can actually be used in the exact opposite. It could be used to manipulate the mass populace to or not to protest certain things, at certain locations, and at certain times for any agendas.
The media always reports in half truths, which when it does or doesn't report about something, that can not be used as a validation that it specifically censored something. Everything is censored, which if something is released or suppressed, it is to get the mass populace to respond in a certain way. It is the ultimate manipulation device, which social networking is its cousin and may even be a more effective means of control. Control isn't limited to the capability of stopping people, it is also about the capability of making people do certain things in order to produce a desired outcome.
The wave of protests and riots that happened in the Middle East weren't exactly unpredictable and neither was this supposedly new social networking phenomena. About two years before Egypt plunged into riots and its government turned off the Internet, there was something very significant that happened where the following correlation is not discussed in the news or (as far as I can tell) on the Internet. What people have overlooked of the past is that Egypt's Internet went down for about three months, which that segment of the world was essentially cut off from the rest of the world. The reason this happened was because supposedly undersea water cables had been sliced in half. Initially, it was blamed on a submarine, but then the blame shifted that terrorists may have cut the cable. It can most logically be speculated that Egypt's government was testing out a complete shutdown of its Internet if it ever desired to do so. Likewise, it can most logically be speculated that it was known that the riots in Egypt were going to happen because it is far too coincidental when joined with this tidbit of information. This lends to the idea that what happened in Egypt and across the Middle East was deliberate.
Now using this logic, it can speculated that some of the blackouts that have happened in the U.S. over the past six years being blamed on malfunctions or possibly terrorists are deliberate. Remember the huge blackout that happened for the whole Northeast? This would explain why the U.S. didn't jump on Egypt over the correlation of this information because it can very easily be applied to any country that has such incidences occur in the past or future.
Literally, you can't believe anything released by the major news medias. All you can do is read the information over a time span and hope your memory and analytic intelligence is good enough to identify abnormalities or hiccups.
That is what I think of the Wall Street protests and why I think it.
Oopsy! I guess I let the cat out of the bag!
I think the main problem, generally, is that people watch way too much f*ing TV.
It's difficult not to hate Fox. I've been there myself.
It took me a while but I learned to laugh at most of it, see when they actually do made a valid point and learn how to explain the difference to people.
I don't say I'm not taking sides. I'm not happy with Obama, but the Republicans are just beyond lunacy. Sometimes you have to stand up for reality. The right wing media is not going to do anything but lie and distort anyway.
THe MSM leans so far left is nearly tipping over.
The media of today often claim that both parties are to blame. While there may be corruption on both sides of the aisle, I do not believe that that corruption is equally divisible.
I do not know all of what others have been saying about repelicans. I only know what I have been saying about repelicans. It is a party in decay. I made this opinion of mine quite clear even before this movement began.
here:
-- Upon the Question of Default of Our National Debt July 6th, 2011 http://zendogblog.net/blog/
And here you will find someone who says almost the same thing I do, but he does so with a great deal more clarity and insight:
-- Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult Saturday 3 September 2011 by: Mike Lofgren, Truthout | News Analysis http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779
Both Lao and Sun Tzu wrote of cycles. I say the repelican party is trapped in a cycle of their own making - and hopefully we will make such a spectacle of the trap they are in that it will remain a chilling lesson for politicians for generations.
They have told lie upon lie, and now they cannot escape the fruit of these lies.
Global Warming is not real.
Torture of terrorists in U.S. custody is a legal and justifiable U.S. policy
Placing social security funds into the private sector will increase the security of our seniors - and just today the stock market fell to a one year low as repelicans refused to confront the fact that the Renquist Tax Pledge was a blunder of epic proportion. Not one of them have the courage to stand up and tell the truth.
Not one.
Global warming is evident outside every single window pane in the U.S. Those still in denial will soon cease with such foolishness, or find themselves alone.
And all of them will be angry.
If we the 99% expel all Republicans, are we still 99%, or 55%? Since we are leaderless, and pretty much agenda free, then I think we need to keep all except the 1%. I think it should be strictly 99% v. 1%. If your income/wealth puts you and your family in the 1% then you are the enemy regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, or political affiliation. Otherwise, we loose our creditably..
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Good. It is. Obama is the lesser of all American political evils...still sucks...no balls. Should have gone after Republicans. The Republicans have destroyed this country and...Continue to do so. Super committee? Joke. Republicans are so racist that they won't approve any Obama action even if it was their idea.
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We like it. All of us republicans have known from the beginning this was all about raising taxes and had nothing to do with,,,,,, oooooooooooo, "revolution", oooooooooo.