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Forum Post: Rep. Walter Jones's bill to "wrest" the power to unilaterally go to war

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 2, 2012, 7:12 p.m. EST by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai
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Thomas Hedges, writing for the Center for the Study of Responsive Law, has written a strong article endorsing Rep. Walter Jones's (R-NC) HCR 107 bill to "wrest" the power to unilaterally go to war from a rogue Executive, and restore that power to Congress.

In his article posted Sept. 30 on truthdig.com, Hedge's reports that Jones, "along with retired military officers Col. Lawrence Wilkerson and Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer as well as former Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Fein denounced President Barack Obama at a news conference Sept. 21 for overstepping his authority in wartime and warned that unless war powers are restored to Congress, the country could soon be involved in a battle with Iran."

The article highlights some of the crucial points made at the press conference, especially, as Lyndon LaRouche has emphasized, that Obama is a killer. Obama "claims and exercises authority to surveil every ... individual on the planet," Hedges says, and according to Fein, "If ... you're an imminent danger to the United States, you get vaporized. Predator drone. Any judicial review? No. Any congressional review? No. Any disclosure of the profile of the intelligence that justifies the finding you're one of the terrorists were going to vaporize? No."

Quoting Fein, the article says "the United States has killed well over 300,000 people, although the country faces no existential threat."

"'Those 300,000 killings,' Fein said, 'are murder. Because legal war makes whats customarily murder, legal. But if you're not at war legally, those are homicides.'"

He also highlights the danger of direct confrontation with Russia, quoting Col. Larry Wilkerson, who said, "I could paint you a scenario where we start a NATO no-fly zone over Syria, and wind up, in a year or two, with a general regional war. ... I wouldn't be surprised to see the Russians ... begin to sell their most sophisticated air defense missiles to Syria. Then they're going to start shooting down NATO airplanes; not one or two, but lots of them."

The author's father is Christopher Hedges, the lead plaintiff in Hedges et al. v. Obama [U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, No. 12-cv-331 and Hedges et al. v. Obama, 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, No. 12-3176)[1][2]], the lawsuit filed January 13, 2012 against the Obama Administration and members of Congress by a group of activists and journalists challenging the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. On Sept. 12, 2012, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in New York granted a permanent injunction against the indefinite detention powers of the NDAA — which the White House immediately appealed to successfully overturn.



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[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 5 years ago

Jones Key Votes H Amdt 95 - Prohibiting Use of Federal Funds For Planned Parenthood - Key Vote

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 5 years ago

Jones votes for:
HR 3409 - Stop the War on Coal Act of 2012 - Key Vote

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

Jones became well known for leading the effort, along with GOP Rep. Bob Ney, to have french fries renamed "freedom fries" in House cafeteria menus as a protest against French opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 5 years ago

As our times become increasingly desperate, we shouldn't hold the past of certain individuals against them as they regain their sanity. Having powerful individuals "switch sides" to the 99% can be a tremendous boost to our cause.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 5 years ago

NUTS- how would they get Obama to sign it ? Obvious right - wing stunt by Rs .

Fein is a real winner: As a scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), and in collaboration with the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, Fein actively participates in the Armenian-Turkish dispute with regard to their shared history
and denies the Armenian Genocide constituted a genocide.

Bruce Fein has penned more than one column on the topic, including in The Washington Times and The Huffington Post.[17] As opposed to the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Fein asserts that the fate of Armenians during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I should not be characterized as a genocide, arguing that racial, ethnic or religious motivation for the deaths cannot be proven and that a 'political or military motivation for a death falls outside the definition.' [3] He argued: "Armenian casualties from starvation, disease, and Ottoman Muslim killings were painfully high, perhaps 300,000-600,000. [...] The tragic Armenian losses and suffering deserve sympathy and commemoration, but no more so than their Ottoman Muslim counterparts."


During the campaign Jones appeared as a guest on the radio show The Political Cesspool hosted by James Edwards, whom the Anti-Defamation League considers to be a white supremacist, During his appearance on the show, Jones discussed the bill he cosponsored, HR 107. that " which states that President Obama's handling of the military intervention in Libya is an impeachable offense."

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 5 years ago

I can see where this is going. They'll be trying to impeach Obama for the next 4 years. Nice distraction.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 5 years ago

Do you support kill lists?

Do you support drone strikes?

Do you support a war with Iran over the claim of alleged WMD's?

Do you support the wars?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

ITs all impeachable. Bush should have been impeached. But when Hillary and Biden voted to go to war, I guess that doesnt matter anymore.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 5 years ago

The liars bush-cheney-rice-tennant-powell could not be impeached because lying is not an impeachable offense.
I'd advocate war crime trials. The congress people were mostly dupes of the admins' lies
stupid but not crimes

when did we know nixon was a crook? before he was VP
when did ronnie have Altzheimer's ? before he was elected
when did we know shrub went AWOL ? before he was elected

too many gullible, stupid Americans -

the recent willard lies arethe BEST example of
too many gullible, stupid Americans

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago