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Forum Post: Redux K: Proof That This Forum Is Infested By Pro-Regime Propagandists

Posted 12 years ago on May 27, 2012, 7:38 a.m. EST by 00110100 (-4)
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Proof That This Forum Is Infested By Pro-Regime Propagandists

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Paid or not, GypsyKing, DKAtoday, Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, shooz, bensdad, VQkag, beautifulworld and others here are pro-regime propagandists. The real proof lies in simply following their postings. But there are thousands of them, and more keep coming every day. So generally speaking, here are the key points to note:

Their overall aim is to co-opt Occupy Movement protesters and supporters into the Democratic Party. They do that by giving the Republican Party the blame for everything that is wrong, and giving the credit for what little might be right to the Democratic Party. They do that by ignoring irrefutable proof that the Democratic Party is controlled by the same corporate fascist elite that controls the Republican Party. They do that by claiming that OWS could somehow magically co-opt the Democratic Party, ignoring irrefutable proof that cannot be done. They do that saying we should support Democrats because they are "not as bad" as Republicans, as if once again voting for the lesser of two evils would actually change anything. They do that by focusing on social and other wedge issues that divide us, while ignoring the issues that unite us: They refuse to acknowledge that what the Republicans and Democrats agree on is far more damaging and dangerous than what they disagree on. They do that by ignoring irrefutable proof that the two major parties are merely the puppets on the Left hand and puppets on the Right hand of the same ruling elite. They do that by claiming anyone who disagrees with them is a "Republican, Repelican, RepubliCON or Koch Whore" and either a "coward, blind marcher, zombie or troll". And no matter how many times you call them out or correct them, no matter how clearly you lay the facts down in front of them, they go right on posting the same "Get out the vote (for Obama)!" propaganda day in and day out.

And curiously, no matter how viciously or often they insult their detractors, they never get banned or even shadow-banned. Yet that will likely happen to me now just for posting this obvious truth. That's already happened more than once:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-regime-pr/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-reg/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-2-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-3-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-4-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-5-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-6-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-7-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-8-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-a-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-b-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

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http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-f-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-g-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-h-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

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[-] 2 points by JPB950 (2254) 12 years ago

What difference does it make who they support as far as elections go? Everyone is free to work for the changes they feel we need in their own way. Personally I don't see any reason why Occupy couldn't attempt to co-opt the Democratic party, rather then being taken in by it.

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[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 12 years ago

It doesn't change my point. Someone's opinion on Obama, Romney, or presidential elections isn't relevant. We're all free to work for change in our own way. If the people you are so upset with see Obama as the better of two bad choices, so what? Short of revolution, it's Congress that is the important branch for initiating change. A president is more important to secure the direction of the court.

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[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 12 years ago

I would be as happy as all hell if i never heard another word, or an inference to, or about partisan politics here. For anyone who wants to vote, they should vote their conscience. If they want to promote canidates, they should go do that somewhere else. In all my trips to NYC over the last eight months, I can truthfully say that I cannot remember anyone talking about promoting one canidate over the other. The one exception is back in November when people were carrying Ron Paul signs which I detested.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

Who is deleting these posts? There is nothing here that brakes the rules,. and in fact this is important,. if an actual admin here is deleting this post over and over they should not be an admin. The two party partisan game is a major issue as too many people still fail to see the hand up that ass of both parties is attached to the same corporate bankster cartel.

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[-] -1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

It's also very divisive, jph, and a way to shrink the movement. While we all may not agree 100% we must work together.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

It's divisive because IF we are the 99% which now I'm hearing from certain people we are not really, lol, we are pushing them away if they do not feel welcome here. These people are not evil. I do not agree with them 100%, but I know their intentions are good.

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[-] -1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

working together, is not spamming about party politics to a movement that is beyond party. that is spam,. and that IS against this sites rules.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I agree this movement is beyond politics and should not engage in party politics, however, we are supposed to be the 99% and include people of all political persuasions. It says that on the home page of this website.

I believe the goal this person has is disingenuous. I believe he/she is merely trying to shrink the movement. A corporate plant.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

Anti-gay postings are hateful. Dem supporters are not hateful.

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[-] -1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

"We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic."

So who exactly is deleting this post over and over??? it essentially reiterates the above forum rule,. .

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I have no idea. I certainly have no magical powers. I am not looking for the post to be deleted. I am looking for an end to the corporate bullying. The greedy corporations would just love to see OWS divided down to nothing. Then they win. And, they will stop at nothing to do this. They will even dissemble themselves as being anti-political OWS supporters to do so.

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[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

What is corporate in the post? Nothing can divide OWS, it will always be a loosely affiliate group with some common aspirations, and a wide diversity of views. Perhaps the problem is that you and the others in that list only see change as coming from inside the current political regime. That would make divisions a problem for creating the voting blocks the dems/repugs love. However, real change will never come from inside this corporate-banking system. How could it? Diversity of opinion is a good thing not a bad one, we need to be divided as well as together,. unity is easy to co-opt and steer, and tell stories to,. like "change you can believe in" and other such fairy-tails,. change your community by building new community organisations and a resilient food and energy system locally. Permaculture, Degrowth, Relocalize, SlowMoney,. . One world, One people, One.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I don't belong in his lists. He just added me there a few minutes ago because I am annoyed with him/her. I don't think change can come from within the system, but I'm not going to shun people with good intentions and shrink the movement just because some people aren't where I am.

There's nothing corporate IN his post, but what it seeks to do which is shrink this movement would have the greedy corporations doing a jig which is why I think it may be a corporate troll.

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[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

no one is shunning anyone, just saying this is not a 'party politics' blog. How does pointing out the rules of the forum shrink anything??? Most people active in the OWS movement do not, ever,. read this forum.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

So, why do they care so much? If they don't want to participate in a thread, don't participate in it. There are moderators who could well decide to enforce those rules. We don't need bullies doing so.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

The only bullying I see, is the repeated deletion of a post calling out a simple forum rule. The co-option I see is people being lead astray into believing the two party system holds any solutions to our issues with that 'representative' system itself.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

We need to talk to these people, not at them. Build bridges, not walls.

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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

True, but maybe you are too? There are many angles at which to get what one wants. If the goal is to shrink this movement then what you do is effective.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

Again, that's spam. I've seen it several times here this morning. It's a very good depiction, okay? Happy?

I'm just not into hubris and bullying. I'm into building bridges, bringing people together.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

This is troll spam.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

Spam is when something is repeated, cut and paste, over and over, as this was this morning. It's interesting that according to you people we are no longer the 99%. Sad.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

how is it troll like? how is it spam?
all those links where this same post, and some how, they have all been deleted,. yet the post is pro-ows and brakes no board rules.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

He/she is posting it all over the place, thereby making it spam. I understand the content, I also think it is divisive and an attempt to shrink the movement. If Obama supporters can't be part of OWS then we are in trouble. We need to work together.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

you can be a part of OWS but you can not use this forum to propagandize for a political party. 'Representative' government is the problem, we need a functioning democracy, not more of the pendulum of denial, that is party politics. It is not posted all over the place,. it is re-posted each time it is wrongly taken down.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

No. I've been on here for a while this morning and it is posted in several places making it spam. I don't disagree with you that this forum should not be used for political posturing, but pushing away good people who have good intentions is not the right thing to do. This is bullying and an attempt to shrink the movement.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

How does this push anyone away, being called out by name for breaking a forum rule repeatedly, seems to me an attempt to keep people on point, not push them away. Unless they really can not see beyond the silly coming election of the new face of our perpetual rulers.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

We're supposed to be the 99%, right? Okay, so most of us regulars on here are pretty informed, but lots of regular people read and visit the forum. Many of these people, I can only imagine, are Obama supporters. They should be welcome here. We need them. We should not be pushing them away.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I don't use this forum to do anything for any political party. Read the threads. I'm just not going to be divisive and watch the movement shrink and eliminate people with good intentions.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

I don't think we are,. this is not an OBAMA forum there are plenty. See; http://www.democraticunderground.com/

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

If we're not the 99% then that is a whole other matter. In my mind, we are still the 99% so I want to be inclusive.

[-] -1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

Once again;

"We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic."

Obama supporters are of course welcome in the movement,. they are just not encouraged to propagandize for party politics on this forum!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

So, let the moderators decide what to remove. We don't need all this constant bullying.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

I don't "let anyone decide" I make my position known.

"Their overall aim is to co-opt Occupy Movement protesters and supporters into the Democratic Party."

I agree with this post, that there are many here that are actively attempting to poach OWS folks, and steer them into the system, into the Democratic party, and into going back to sleep!!!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I think a lot of these people are on their own journey. I don't think they have bad intentions. Talk to them, not at them. Build bridges, not walls.

[-] 0 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

so,. shadow banning/deleting posts that break no forum rules, is talking to people,. looks like a wall to me.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

I never said I agree with that either.

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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

You are spamming.

Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages).

Quit bullying. You've been trying to take down this forum for many months. It hasn't worked. It's not going to work.

Your only goal is to take down OWS. You use arguments to divide and shrink the movement.

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[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23828) 12 years ago

How'd ya know?