Forum Post: Recognition for the people
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 2:49 p.m. EST by Ghost126
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from Pittsburgh, PA
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The occupy wall street movement has been going on for almost two months now, and our world leaders still haven't given the 99% what we've been asking for. they send police to shut us up temporarily and continue to play the casino games they play with our tax money. When this movement began I had such high hopes for change by the sights of the masses across the world but after all this time our voices are still being blatantly ignored. I have a stronge feeling our peaceful protests and civil disobedience will never work. It is my personal belief the banksters and illuminati must be physically destroyed before the final stages of Agend 21 are initiated on the masses and the future of humankind is destroyed by them. I am not an anarchist, nor a violent person. I am simply a father and a very concerned occupant of this wonderful planet we have named Earth. This is why we must seek out our allies who have been trained to search and destroy and spread this message to them in hopes they will find and destroy the evil rulers of our world so that our children and their children aren't raised by them to live like them and accept slavery and greed on a global scale as the norm.
Honestly, two months is not much. This will take time. This is not the microwave version, its going to have to bake a while.
My parents lived through the depression. If they had given up in TWO months I wouldn't be alive today. Name one crisis that the country has faced that has been reversed in TWO months? You would give up your belief in freedom and justice under law because daddy didn't fix it in TWO months? Maybe you should try holding your breath.
What kind of example are you giving your kids if you would turn to killing people without benefit of a trial because life isn't fixed in two months? You aren't violent person, you want someone to do the killing for you. That's honorable.
Sunshine Patriot is what the founder called people who quit this easy.
Yes but expecting people to live in tents all winter on occupied land and expecting social services to freeze out there with them, to support a cause, is costing OWS all it's credibility. David Koresh much OWS? The 99% want this occupation to end and want OWS to go to work on the list of grievances in preparation for a National General Assembly which is only eight months away. Tick-tick-tick Read the 99% Declaration! https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
I think it is fairly ridiculous for anyone to think the occupation should continue all winter. There are more important things to do, exactly like you said. When the point of the occupation turns into just an endurance test, what's the point? The problem is there needs to be a strong exit strategy with clear next steps that build on the momentum. National GA / Virtual GA are good next steps. Spending all your time money and brain power on just keeping warm is silly.
The strongest exit strategy is pretty easy to figure out. Declaring an end to the occupation (i like 11/11/11) would send shock waves around the world. It is just as powerful as the act of occupying land because it says " we have assumed / are in control". Simultaneously announcing the NGA/VGA and intentions (basically lifted right out of the 99%Declaration) should have the sad occupiers on their feet cheeering! Every rat in the system would see their lives flash before their eyes!! OWS comes out "smelling like a rose"
You are spot on.
I don't expect people to live in tents all winter. I have done some winter camping and I know how tough it is. I believe there are ways that we can still keep the pressure on. There are many people who have claimed that this and that and something is costing the movement all of its credibility. IF the were all correct it would have been over three weeks ago. Maybe it is because those who think that are too close to the action to get an appreciation of all of the things going on. And I see it growing in more and more cities and towns across the country.
In Denver 14,000 people moved their bank accounts out of the big banks and into credit unions Friday, $100,000,000. In a town the size of Denver that amount of money moving makes some noise. Across the country $4.5 billion moved out of the big banks. I think a significant amount will move this week. Lots of people canceling the credit cards. I cancelled my Chase card. Will use my Credit Union Visa.
We are talking about virtual occupations, Smart mob occupations. Huge databases of OWS 99% coordinating activities is a scary thing to theb1%. Their imaginations run wild. They lose sleep. We have to be creative and use the tools at hand. They are worried about about us being everywhere, all of the time, able to convene a meetup of hundreds, thousands, right in the middle of _. Koch Brother little meeting with the Americans for Prosperity (AFP) - surrounded - guests couldn't get out of the building for the swirling crowds. They were panicing.
I admire the steadfast souls that have been toughing it out in tents but I also admire those who, when the bell rang to meetup and demonstrate at a strategic location, they were there. And they got the attention of the targeted individuals and the media. There are more and more people to share the load. Hang in there.
From here it looks pretty promising.
I still believe the "oven" the 99% are in has a lock on it so that once the "bread" is done we will be burned to a crisp.
While I understand your impatience, this analogy might make sense.
You if your take the loaf out of the oven too soon, it won't be bread.
It takes time to affect change, it takes first awakening those who have been apathetic, it takes encouraging them to take action along with those who have already awakened.
While it isn't obvious to some, there is change happening, small changes in attitudes, changes in the way some of those who have more view the tax question, voices are being raised and some of those voices are being heard.
Here is something that, perhaps, will bring you hope.
http://westandwiththe99percent.tumblr.com/
http://wealthforcommongood.org/
I think if everyone were able to vote the few would not be able to suppress the many
Exactly. Read the Declaration then start making demands of your general assembly. "We are the 99%, We are the 99%!!!!! https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
Yea yea yea...now shut the fuck up and go shit in your bucket
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I've seen it.
But we're not able to honestly vote. The second term of bush's administration proved that. Are votes do not matter. Voting is simply a part of our system to make us believe we have a say in things but history has proven we don't.
The "we are the 99%" can change voter apathy. No one said this is going to be easy. the USA isn't Eygpt (well i hope not ; ) Please read the 99% Declaration. it outlines the legal process. I haven't seen any better suggestions that can be acted upon right now, and naive platitudes need a reality check. The 99% DOES have the tools https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/