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Forum Post: Reality of Islam : Revolution against Corruption, lie, oppression and Injustice (Such as OccupyWallStreet Movement)

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 8, 2012, 2:44 p.m. EST by smmv2005 (106)
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Do you know USA and his friends are trying so hard to introduce Al-Qaida and Taliban (Wahhabi & Salafi) as real islamic model to world, Whereas this groups are created by themselves to destruct the prestige of islam?

They are exactly in conflict with Islam. islam is different as 180 degree with their way.

PLEASE study islamic books such as Nahj al-Balaghah To understand the REALITY OF ISLAM....JUST STUDY...PLEASE.

HTML Source: http://www.balaghah.net/nahj-htm/eng/ or http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

Documentation (PDF): http://www.iric.org/Nahjul-Balagah-English.pdf

Saying of Imam Ali (A.S.): A fool's mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a wise man's tongue is under the control of his mind.

Particularly read Imam Ali's letter to Malik Ashtar...

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[-] 6 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

In my opinion, this forum has nothing to do with Islamic views, whether it be for them or against them. This is not a topic that requires defending or persecution, since here in America, all individuals have the right to worship "under their own vine and fig tree". In other words, freedom of religion! The problem is not the religion itself, per se, but the sickness of the individuals who use that religion as the basis to kill, rape, destroy, annihilate, ravage and maintain horrific dominate control over individuals. Most religious doctrines have been rewritten, manipulated and polluted by individuals for their own selfish gain. So...if you must defend one religion, defend the others because all of them have been misused by mankind!

[-] 2 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

no no no... islam (real islam, not salafi or al-qaida) is the real cure for all ills of human society, just study islamic books such that to notice yourself.

our problem is that we think religion and politics are separate, Whereas politics should based on Faith, (true faith, It was not something that priests in the church give people to eat!!!).

Just Study Islamic books such as Nahj al-Balaghah : HTML Source: http://www.balaghah.net/nahj-htm/eng/ or http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

Documentation (PDF): http://www.iric.org/Nahjul-Balagah-English.pdf

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

are you crazy.. you cannot force a particular behavior or morality on free people..thats the basis of a free society its fairly idiotic to think a law can make someone believe something that is scientifically unprovable besides.. islam says you cant get drunk on saturday nite.. no thank you

[-] 0 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

God has forbidden those functions because they 're so harmful to humans, , is it a bad thing?!!!

Are we best aware of what is good for us, or that God who created us???!!

Also I did not force anyone to accept that subject. Everyone has own wisdom and his mind.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

no jesus said.. 'if a man sorrows let him drink wine' so no god did not forbid drinkin on a saturday nite. he did say avoid drunkeness .. thats like those that get drunk daily the other thing is that god gave us freewill to do and act as we please as i understand islam.. people can be punished by the courts for not adhering to religious behaviours thats why you cannot put religion into politics or government its against gods will for all to be free to do as they please.. it is an insult to god when men try to enforce the rules.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

except muslims.

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

if you're a muslim in a totalitarian theocracy, and you want to leave islam, you'll be put under a death threat and in all probability , murdered. so much for tolerance from the " religion of peace".

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

What is a totalitarian theocracy, and would that co-relate to the Crusades or the Inquisition, or the Salem Witch trials, or to England and Ireland's religious wars? I'm just curious?

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

im sure you can look up the words. as for examples, iran, saudia arabia, any islam based country.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Germany, Ireland, England, Poland, Australia, Finland, Spain, Rome and Greece and any Protestant, Catholic, or Christian based country as well!!

All have killed in the name of their ONE AND ONLY god!!!

No one is immune in your bigoted world!!

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

The rest of the world had grown up,muslims are the only ones STILL killing in the name of their so called god.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I am sure you could give the Klan a run for their money with your modern philosophy! Good luck convincing them that god ain't got nothing to do with that cross boy-e-e-e!

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the KKK has nothing on the barbarians of islam. muslims murdering people every day in the name of their phoney moon god.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

there is a similarity between the KKK and "Black Bloc" the people wearing masks at the occupy events and working in groups

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

problem is.. everyone else got over that about 200 years ago.. all religions except islam they still kill no other religion kills for religious sake anymore because people have become educated .. islam is the only religioun that still thinks its ok to kill people for not adhering to certian behaviour mostly because they refuse to educate the general public as to in your face reality

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Why are you replying to me with this nonsense?

As I stated.....Islam is a religion of Peace...there is no passase in the "Holy Koran of Mecca" that states man should raise his hand against man or any other inhuman(e) atrocities are condoned. If it is written or part of the Holy Koran of Mecca's doctrine (as you all claim) then present that writing as proof of your condemnation of a whole religion. Now, show me in the Bible where it states that man should not kill, besides the 10 commandments? Show me in the Bible where killing, human and animal sacrifice has been stated as being against the law of god or that man should not take up arms to kill the 'Phillistines'?? Show me where the good book has none of that and then I might listen to you all's rabid tyrannical rhetoric...Until then....read this!!! http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_cults.htm Are these or are these not members of the Christian faith? Your arguments are moot my dear children!

Now, leave me alone and let me go communicate with my God!

[-] -1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

it isnt the book.. its the fact that islamics kill other islamics almost ever single day. you do not see any other religion killing other religions every single day. that is the proof

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

No because Christians from other countries as well as the so-called Israelis are killing them to set you all's minds at ease!! This is all about the oil, not Islam... you know why? Because people kill each other every day! America has the highest murder rate in the world, then comes South America, Australia, Great Britain, and all across the globe, in Canada, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, China, North and South Korea, people are murdering, raping and killing one another just for the hell of it...Why do you target the religion of Islam? What are you afraid of? Personally, I would think you should really stop to wonder what is going to happen here when the stores close, the trucks stop bringing in food and water and over all the nation it all shuts down because there is no oil! So, why are you really concerned about the east? Is it the oil or the fact that these people are doing no more than what the people of the United States and Europe have done over the centuries to one another on a full scale all across this planet and on individual basis? Like I said....your arguments are moot, outmoded and just plain ignorant!! You are on here as a rebel rouser, to keep the ignorant ignorant and the sleep asleep. I am neither and I don't buy into that cock and bull s***!!

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

In the course of my life, I as an American, have been told to hate at various times, the Russians, the Vietnamese, the Nicaraguans, the Cubans, the Venesuelans, the Iraquis, the Pakistanis, the Iranians, the Salvadorans, the Guatamalans, and the North Koreans to name but a few - the French, for having the temerity to create a health care system that works and makes ours look bad; and even the Canadians for the same reason.

We somehow even managed to fight a "war" with Grenada at some point or another, to boost the populatity of the disgusting embarrassment of the Reagan regime.

Well, I'm tired of it! We have become the most warlike power in history, finding enemies anywhere we can to feed a bloated war-machine that keeps us poor, and enrich's the global ultra-wealthy.

I'm sick of it - just sick of it! It has to stop!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Well said.

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

i dont.. islamics brought themselves into it when an islamic took down the two towers.. i could care less if they kill each other everyday and i dont think america should get involved but they have to understand that they cannot bring that mind set out of the middle east if they want to live in civilized society they have to understand they cannot impose their religion on others. why is that such a hard concept?

[-] 3 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

There is no point talking to you...on one post you say the rich are turning this into a third world country and then here you say Islam brought down the two towers? You forgot....that it was the rich that owned the towers, the rich who owned the planes, and the rich who taught the "alleged" terrorists how to fly those planes right here in America! The rich knew they were here, so did the government, and the FBI and everyone else involved in the 'CONSPIRACY'. Where were the jets to abort this plot? Where were the guards after the plane disembarked in Cleveland and then made its way to New York?? But, yet, the jets, radar, the Pentagon, even the CIA, ...who by the way are also funded by the rich....didn't have a clue??? You my friend are either just plain dumb or part of the "CONSPIRACY"

LOL..

[-] -1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

noone cares what you believe.. only that you are presumptuous enough to think you can force others to believe it. if you would just kill each other and not bother anyone else , you would just be a paragraph in a social studies book like you should be.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

You are truly ignorant....I don't have to force a damn thing, that is the systems job and those who want to maintain their own domination. All I am saying is wake up and smell the coffee!! It continues to brew, no matter where, when or how, and you can't get rid of it!!

Plus there are 2 sides to every story!! Not just your version or side!

[-] -1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

none of that would have been necessary if the islamics had stayed home.. they actually think the world cares what they believe!

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Obviously... you all do and it is showing!

After all, what else are you discussing on here? Let it go, get some rest...trust us....Islam isn't going away!!

Even after all that has been said and done....

They are still here, there, and everywhere... Isn't that what you all are really afraid of?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

We a mostly Christian nation killed 200,000 or more people because we thought they had weapons of mass destruction...or was it to get rid of a despotic ruler who no longer played ball with us.....or was it to bring democracy to their country...or was it to get al-Qaeda who weren't there? What was the real reason we killed all those people??? It's always been amazing to me and sad as well how we are able to think that we have a higher set of morals than everyone else.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

we killed all those people cause bush had a grudge.. and there were people stupid enough to reelect him.. we did not hide under cover of god for a reason for this killing. had bush said we are gonna start a war because they dont believe in my god.. he would have been put away. besides, im sure we only killed about 5k.. the rest was them killing each other.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

ignorant.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

Yes, you are !!

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

exactly.. of course .. they kill you if you refuse to join too! let them stay away from the free world would be my prayer to what ever god would listen

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

They have already infected the free world.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You and gesto live in a hate-filled, ignorant world, which will move on without you.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the barbarians of islam are stuck in the 7th century.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I am very much aware of the true and divine creed of Islam(ism), just as I am aware of the true creed and beginnings of Christianity. No one needs to convince me or try to show me where I can find these truths. The problem with society is they don't know how to uphold religion in its proper perspective or how to deal with one another as equals, regardless of religious beliefs!. Besides, no religious indoctrination can be drummed into a person. Individuals must have that divine spark within to begin with in order for it to be cultivated. . A person without that spark is just like soil without healthy seeds, nothing will germinate, just like a garden...bringing forth nothing but useless weeds!

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

If you catch a child early enough, ANYTHING can be drummed into it. That is the method most of the religions of the world use to further their beliefs. What person, in their right mind, would blow themselves up just to kill a few unbelievers? Someone that has been indoctrinated. Man has no inherent nature to be either "good" or bad".

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

What person in their right mind would hang a defenseless man from a tree? Or firebomb a house, or smoke meth and destroy neighborhoods with their labs, or rape little boys in the name of god, or sell children over seas for sex, or grab white women and put them out to other countries as prostitutes?

Get your head back to reality fool....those folks don't have a monopoly on murder, hatred or illogical thinking!!!

Find out who started the wars and why....then use your self righteous, holier than thou justice and save the innocent ones!!

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

For every "bad" thing that you have stated there is also a corresponding "good" thing. My self righteousness? Read your own comment and then look up the meaning of that word. If you wish to see a fool, look in a mirror.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Just answer the question!

Your rationalization is that of a child! It is apparent your life has not developed fully otherwise there would be intellectual responses from first hand knowledge, not just generalizations. It is obvious that your education has not gone beyond that other than what the system wanted it to...which is that of a drone! Be gone!!

[-] 2 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

I'm 87 years old. I have a masters degree in Mathematics. I taught math for 30 years. I spent 12 years in the military through 2 wars. I was a ships master for 50 years. I have written and published 55 books. Be gone, idiot!

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Then you should be ashamed of yourself because you know the truth and you are on here perpetrating lies?

How could you?

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

Forgive me for sounding anti educational (which I am b.t.w.) but how does teaching math better our society? I've often wondered and regretted the many years of wasted math lessons I had in school and college. I only use basic math and maybe some proportion conversions from interest to dollars only.? OR another question may be, if math was so important, why would someone end up getting his bills paid by poor people, such as his students, instead of apply the math skills in the world if it is so valuable?

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

I have NO idea what you mean by saying you are anti-educational. Obviously you have been educated--to an extent anyway. Teaching math betters the world as much as teaching you to wipe your ass. Explaining all this to you is a waste of my time. Applying math skills? You do it every single day.

I AM with you in one respect--Educational methods have been left wanting for fifty years. Thankfully we now have the internet.....If you want to know something, go find it. But then, someone would have to tell you what you want. Somehow I doubt you could figure that out all by yourself.

It is no wonder that, when someone tells you that 2 plus 2 equals five, you tend to believe it.

B.T.W.--In my spare time I ran three corporations.---successfully. I knew what I wanted and went after it. I was born in a tar-paper shack in 1924. My mother used to say you could throw a cat through the cracks in the wall. That was a step up from my sister---she was born in an abandoned freight car on a railroad siding.

You are a crybaby. I wish YOU were born to the same world I was. You think you have it bad. Throw out this damn computer, give your cell phone a toss, get rid of your TV and walk instead of driving your car. Oh, yes. I know you have all these "necessary" items that a person who knew a little about math has provided for you.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Life is a bitch at times, you either die, do nothing and deal with it, make the world better or you make it worse. It is choice and it is your choice. I enjoy discussions and conversations with the "elderly" that still have a quick mind and the balls to speak it. These conversations and discussions are usually informative and I prefer to learn by the experience of others.

I grew up under a bridge and on the streets after both parents were killed in two car wrecks, my father when I was 9 and my mother when I was 15. I fought in my own war and have the bullet holes to prove it was a war.

An education in mathematics is the precursor and often the perquisite to understanding and solving complex equations and/or concepts. Without understanding the fundamentals of complex equations and/or concepts, solving or even identifying complex concepts is difficult at best and impossible by others.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

wow that is an eyeopener, I believe you sir. I feel indebted to my pro genitors because of their struggles, and I do enjoy a good life in comparison.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

"I do enjoy a good life in comparison" This is exactly the point. Many people still have it bad in some parts of our country. Kids go hungry, people can't find work and our educational system sucks. Some of these people have no way out and the kids are going to be made to suffer.

@Budcm doesn't need to be a part of this for his gain. He does this for others. He deals with ignorance and stupidity so that others will benefit. I won't profit from the OWS movement monetarily. I will benefit because society will be better, kids will have a chance at education and to make this country even better.

Even after all the shit I dealt with as a kid, we, me and my wife, are financially set. We have a choice. Help and work with the OWS to better this country or walk the fuck away from it.

We have made our choice.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

the difference is.. those people do those things for thier own personal satisfaction. they do not do those things for any god. they do not do those things to others because the others think differntly than them they do to make themselves feel good and at least they do not insult god by claiming that god told them too. if they do claim that.. we know they are psycopaths!..there is a very large difference.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I would bet that all those priests were able to justify their pedophilia in some sort of divine way.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

no the priest did not try to justify anything.. they tried to get away with it.. but did not justify it.. there is no scripture to use to justify sin.. there is the difference .

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Have you ever read the Old Testament...it's quite brutal by today's standards. If literal interpertation and adherence to it were carried out...Christianity would be quite frightening.

Have you ever lived with, eaten dinner, or worked alongside of Muslims? I have, and I learned that they cry, and laugh for the same reasons we do. Most importantly though, they like us simply want a better life for themselves and their children.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

i can believe that. i have nothing against them per se.. except for thier idea that they can impose what they believe on anyone else. thru murder and hate and intimidation. free people have fought long and hard against just these types of coercion .. they cant seem to grasp the idea of ' im ok - your ok'

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Don't you see they are not OK...ever since the west found oil in the middle-east...which should have been a blessing to them...it has been nothing but trouble....invasions..carving up states....despotic rulers that we prop up......our carte blanche support of Israel.. and the list goes on. All so we can control their oil.

If that were you, would you be happy...might you be a terrorist after having witnessed one of your children die in a drone attack? Finally, Muslims.... being as suppressed as they are, it should not be surprising that they look to their Quran for comfort and inspiration. Don't we do the same with the Bible? Yes, some people misinterpert its teachings, much like some of the Holy Rollers in this country do .....but is that reason for you t.o castigate a whole religion? Think about it.....please.

I do know from reading your posts that most of the younger people in this movement do not share your point of view.... I urge you to rethink your positions ....you may well see yourself being left behind... for your own sake,not mine....rethink you beliefs.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

i think most of the younger ones do agree . unless they are blood thirsty. of course in this society. everyone want to allow everyone else to think and believe as they please. thats the right way to do . and everyone is allowed the right to think as they please.. up until the point they believe they can kill, coerce or intimidate those that dont agree .. how can you get around that ?

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I have put forth my best effort, and could continue to do so, but I won't. Believe what you will.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

You probably know the quran better that I do - but I have read numerous translations of many parts - Sura 9-5 for example-
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.


wars since the year 624 http://www.howardbloom.net/militant_islam_timeline.htm


currently- the muslim war on Arab christians http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-the-global-war-on-christians-in-the-muslim-world.html

[-] 0 points by relthinkr (64) 2 years ago

u took it out of context, the very next one says....

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. 9:6

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

REAL Islam ?! The fundamental problem with ALL The Abrahamic Religions (and indeed perhaps other religions as well!) is the belief that only the believers have unique access to eternal, metaphysical & spiritual 'truths' purely by accident of birth or even conversion.

This side of "shuffling off this mortal coil" and leaving this "vale of tears", agnosticism and a life lived with an open heart and under the precepts of Love and Logic are probably the best we can do.

Thus, for you and other readers : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzLQ8xOa9Q & please do try to reflect on the lyrics ;-)

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 1 points by Nicolas (258) from Québec, QC 2 years ago

"It's really a good system! It's just never been implemented correctly!"

Yea, that excuse works for pretty much everything, from communism to capitalism to christianity to feudalism. You could say islam is untested though, while "christian" values have failed. It's not like there was once a muslim state with superpower status which collapsed under the weight of its own corruption! Oh wait. That's exactly what happened with the Ottoman Empire.

Let's keep away from magical solutions and wishful thinking. No prophet or god or miraculous snake oil will save us. We have to do that ourselves by hard, long work.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

Folks, I believe the OP is Iranian and is reaching out to OWS. Poor guy. He is concerned (I think) about our govts policies and the media portrayal of Iran/Islam in general. You are not being very receptive or genial, but that may perhaps be because you do not understand who he is and what he really is trying to do.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good luck with that freakyfriday...you have just opened up a can of, not worms, but maggots...these people on here are too full of hate...so chow!!

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

"but the sickness of individuals who use that religion as the basis to kill,rape,destroy,annihilate,ravage, and maintain horrific dominate control over individuals". That's islam for ya.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Can we say Christianity, Popes used to be Warrior Poses.

[-] 1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

Key phrase "Used to be". muslims are the only ones around STILL murdering daily in the name of their so called god and phoney religion.

[-] 2 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Right... you keep telling yourself this if it brings you comfort. We took this country from the original people, Christians had crusades, Christians killed millions but that a long time ago so let's just forget about it.

I was watching a recent story, within a few years, where a author was targeted by the Christian church in Europe for writing a book. IRA, the war in Iraq, the devastation of the economic sanctions used around the world to get people to tow the American Democratic line. The net result of starving citizens without access to information is creating an army driven by hatred of Americans.

Hitler was Christian as were almost all the Germans while burning Jews, blacks, homosexuals and any others they found to be a problem. Try the French, the English, and almost every other European Country. Remember Africa, Haiti and ever other country where Christianity was brought.

There simply is no god. For thousands of years humans have attempted to relegate to religion, nature. Pele made the mountain erupt, Thor created storms, Zeus created lightning. All of these predate Christianity and Judaism, the basis for the Muslim religion.

You have the intelligence of two, very small, spoonfuls of dirt.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Completely agreed. Leave Thor out of it next time though...that's my heritage man, and we do need the rain that comes with the storms. hee

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

I meant no disrespect to Thor [Tor]. He was and is well thought of. Him and his goats :-)

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

The so called "original peolple" were not native to north amercia. They migrated here from asia , using a now non existant land bridge. judaism and christianity are NOT the basis of islam..

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Before God was conceived of.

[-] 3 points by WarmItUp (301) 2 years ago

I am not going to study any religion....religion is not real...I can't believe that in 2012 people still think there is this magical man in hte clouds granting wishes to everyone....study a science text book and stop telling people to read your silly religious fantasy books...and if everyone stopped shoving there riligion down each others throat all wars would end immediately...almost every war in this world was over differeing religious beliefs...how can you kill millions of people all because of something that is not even real...2000 years ago bibles were the science text books....I hate to break it to you but we have come along way in understanding how the world works so stop being a bigot. you do not have the one and only true religion....neither does anyone else....you are mentally ill if you believe taht some magical being created you...dig a hole and find some bones ...read a book called origin of species by darwin...

[-] 2 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

It' s your fault, islamic teachings exactly based on various sciences.

Just should Study the Interpretation of islamic Teachings, to know what the real islam is.

islam gives us the best life program, based on what human needs to reach human perfection, not somethings that they are common between humans and animals.

[-] 1 points by WarmItUp (301) 2 years ago

Just saying "islam gives us the best life program" is just setting you up for a major fight with people who believe theire religious point of view is the best way to live their life. And no opression of women may be the best life program for you...but not for the women you oppress by making them cover their bodies or by not letting them have a voice in the mosque or by promoting the idea of having multiple wives or by not letting them vote.....and on and on and on....all human beings should be treated equally...no exceptions...just because some book says a man had a delusion that he was a prophet does not mean he really was. mormons believe that whoever is the leader of the church is the prophet...anyone can claim to be a prophet...any psychiatrist would tell you that they suffer from paranoid delusions and schizophrenia...go on keep promoting that you know the best way for others to live their lives, how about getting an education and focusing on your self rather than forcing your nonsensical 2000 year old rules on modern humans

[-] 2 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

some of these things you say is not true, and You have deceived by these false contents (such as prevent free vote).

And other things have a rational reason for each of them.

for example islam has recommended body cover for women to protect them against aggression.

Woman is a precious creature, if you have a precious thing , do not you hide it?! Do not you protect it?!

As long as flower is in flower pot, it will be fresh, but when it is picked up the value is set to be faded and it will be Withered.

Also if you know the concept of spiritual pleasures, you don't exchange them with any physical pleasure. (such as sexual pleasure or joy of eating...)

Indeed, Praying in mosque or home is the food of the human spirit.

Second, Think for yourself, what modernity has brought you??? Now you arrive to that cohabitation with animals is legal in your country!!! Is this a sign of progress???

Know, All these things that human science has come to against the knowledge of God is like a drop in the ocean.

Modern sciences do not deceive us...

Can do human beings to prevent his death? Can do human beings to find the end of the world to billions of years?!!

Who has created this world? Who has created molecules and atoms?

why everything that human needs to it, has provided for him in nature?

Do you think past people's events is tale and legend?

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

Do you think it is legend? Keep going back. Man did not appear on this earth in the form that he now has. He evolved from the same molecules the rest of the world evolved from. You ask people to study their origins? No. YOU study your origins, and go back farther than 600 AD. To deny mans evolution is to deny millions of years of facts. It is called a "theory" because we are still learning about our origins.

[-] 2 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

So tell us who create the first origin?!!!

And how these origins were created these intelligent creatures spontaneously?

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

All intelligences created spontaneously? That's a laugh! Do you speak with authority? Do YOU know? Are you SURE you are not just spouting something that someone else has said? Or told you? or convinced you? Did you speak to God, not through some scripture, but face to face? Convince me, please, that He has actually whispered in your ear, or in your mind. I am at end of my life. I really DO want to know! I fear, however, that you are no more or no less than all all of the other self styled prophets...A legend...in your own mind.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

So far I have met few intelligent creatures. Most creatures I meet believe in God in one form or another and that that entity created everything. These creatures think they are right and everybody that doesn't believe the same way they do need to be forced to believe the same thing or be killed.

I meet sad little creatures mostly.

[-] 1 points by Budcm (208) 2 years ago

NOTHING was created spontaneously. Man did not appear when two palm trees sprung apart. Intelligence is not something that came that way either. It, too, is ongoing, though I somehow doubt it when I read some of the comments about it on here.

[-] 1 points by WarmItUp (301) 2 years ago

Um yes all of the things I said are true, women are not allowed to drive a car in some countries! Oh that is to protect women who are too stupid to do amnything for themselves, women are not allowed to vote in some countries, women are not allowed to go out alone. I certainly am not saying christianity is any better I am saying all religious texts that were written over a thousand years ago have a great deal of sexism and racism if find spirituality in these texts that helkp you in your life that is great but you have absolutely no athourity over another human being all humans should be protected equally under the law. And what are you talking about having sex with animals has never been legal in the united states...what an absurd statement. I don't care to hear you preach religion to me why is not good enough for you to do that for yourself you are someone who thinks it is acceptable to force your way on others why not embrace the diversity of the world around you. you will find that there is much more to this world than your narrow view...there are so many beautiful human beings doing great things living very moral lives without shoving ancient books down their throats...

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

what do you think you are trying to say?

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Most entities on the planet share some DNA and genes. There was one entity that was found that was based on cyanide, I think it was, which destroys our DNA.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good Grief Charlie Brown!

You will never, ever, ever, never bring forth the truth about "Your origins" and you know why!!

Do you believe all this mental bondage on this earth is for naught?

Look....here is the truth.....TIMES UP!!!

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

Protect women from aggression by dictating what they wear . What's the matter with muslim men, have they no sense of self control?Cohabitation with with animals? you're not talking about someone living with a moose or a giraffe or a water buffalo, you mean that islam prohibits/forbids anyone from having a pet . islam is fascism.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

It all goes back to the forced amalgamation of the species...Find out when that took place and then you will understand why the world is backwards in thinking!! Otherwise there are no easy or right answers....

I will say again....look around...smell the coffee...ummmmm!

Times up!!!

[-] -3 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

islam has really messed up you brain. as long as a person is a muslim they will continue to be a barbarian.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Oh, like your bloodline of old? Puh leeze.....I know who and what you are and where you came from...so let's not go there.....OK???

I think you are fixated because you don't have the ability to learn further or any function that will help to expand your brain power in order to grasp information other than your own ignorance..... Am I correct...your education is limited? And really, I do understand that fact...so....I'm not mad at ya...just a little sad that you have nothing whatsoever that you can teach anyone on here!

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

I come from the United States of America. YOU come from a long line of muslim dog barbarians.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Sorry, but the founding fathers were not of this country, neither were their followers, or the immigrants (1800 and 1924 fifty-million immigrants left Europe, and came to America) who came after wards. This is no mystery so why continue to act as if you got something coming? Do your share as an American citizen and earn your keep on the soil that is not your own!! Now, you must remember who amalgamated with the muslim dog barbarians all across the globe... and then realize, you just might be their cousin, or perhaps their brother or sister, one never knows where the "seeds of doubt" have been planted.. So you should make sure you know what you are talking about....Oh never mind....I forgot....education is not your expertise!!

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

You know nothing of American history. In fact, you know nothing of value at all.

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

Don't talk Nonsense, I'm at home breeding ducks. But sex with animals in Iran is considered as the most heinous acts.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

you think that americans have sex with animals? here it is called bestiality and it is against the law but not because of religion.. because it is a mental illness. and no women are not 'precious' women are strong and capable of anything a man is capable of, and here.. men that are aggressive towards women are criminals.. not the women. the men are held accountable for being mentally ill enough to be aggressive towards women. we teach our boys how to respect women and we understand that agression towards women is not based on sex but is based on power and control. if you were educated you would know this. men who rape or beat women are sick.. not normal men.

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

How about having a dog or a cat as a pet?

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Obviously the individuals who are putting down Islam here, truly know nothing about it other than what has been shoved up their asses since the Crusades!!

Sorry folks, but you all are behind the times, lost in your own fantasies of an unseen enemy, and totally unprepared for the changes that are coming your way......here is your new reality people!!

Plug this story in on your internet search!!

"A disturbing report prepared by the Ministry of Defense circulating in the Kremlin today states that Russian Military Officials were rebuffed by NATO yesterday after questions were raised regarding massive troop and war equipment movements in the United States region of California and said to involve over 78,000 soldiers from various countries."

Islam is not the problem...the problem is you and your way of illogical racist thinking!! Islam won't kill you, but your own kind will!!

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

Oh please, muslims kill their own people for not being muslim enough. The sunnis and the shiites.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

So, how many muslims have you lived with and witnessed such acts other than the media?

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Besides is it better to cut a throat, or pee on a corpse after you shoot them in the head...You be the judge!!

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

I got a koran at a yard sale and use for kindling. sometimes we line the birdcage with it.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

Now your bird is more intelligent then you are.

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the bird craps on the koran.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

At least it's got some reading material. You should try reading books instead of burning them. But you would rather proudly have something in common with a nazi. Good job.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the koran, a fascist book is not worth reading.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good for you..if that makes you feel like a human being! I would never desecrate the Holy Bible since it narrates on all the first families of the "Islamic" faith...believe it or not!

Poor slob!

[-] -2 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

wrong again .the people of both the new and old testament have NOTHING to with that pedophile mohammed or the crap cult he invented.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I don't see any indoctrination of pedophile written in any ancient "Holy Books" do you? Give me the passage where that is written..so I may understand your logic.. Also, remember, there were about 10 or more Muhammeds (Mohammed correctly speaking) that came with different versions of the Quran...so which one are you referring to? There was Mohammed the conqueror, Mohammed the Prophet, Muhammed the interpretator of one version of the Holy Quran, and so on and so on, and so on

So, are you saying that the same god who forgives these individuals will not forgive anyone else?. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/catholic-leaders-ask-forgiveness-child-abuse-190438789.html Boy, I'm glad you don't have to lead a flock, everyone's mental functions would be just like yours....straight out of where the good lord split ya!!

Read further and understand...."Mohammed, "the Praised One", the prophet of Islam and the founder of Mohammedanism, was born at Mecca (20 August?) A.D. 570.
Arabia was then torn by warring factions The sources of Mohammed's biography are numerous, but on the whole untrustworthy, being crowded with fictitious details, legends, and stories. None of his biographies were compiled during his lifetime, and the earliest was written a century and a half after his death. The Koran is perhaps the only reliable source for the leading events in his career. ..." This is what Catholicism teaches to their followers..about Mohammed.(notice the correct spelling they use?) So what is your excuse?

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the pedophile self proclaimed phoney prophet mohammed.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I am ashamed to say that you are a fellow American.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

If you are going to post crap...post the basis for the crap...OK??

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm

This site speaks of the Quran....I speak of the "Holy Koran of Mecca"..the original book of the Islamic teachings which are hidden in the Vatican fool!!

Just like the Bible, there are different versions written, but the true ancient writings do not propagate death, lewdness, murder rape, violence or disrespect of women and children or families.

That is why I understand your ignorance and all those like you!!. Be gone!!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

There is a big world out there, it's probably too late now but,....you shoud have taken time out in your early life to travel, break bread with, work alonside of, and celebrate life with people from other countries.....you would have a much better understanding of life....as you would have found that no matter where people are from..there are good and bad people all over..and where you live or what your religion are makes little difference.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

i have traveled to many countries on 4 continents. islam does make a difference, and not in a good way. it's against the law to wear a cross or star of david in saudi arabia.. so much for tolerance.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Why do you think that their religion should be at the same point in tolerance as ours. Within Christianity, in terms of acceptibility there have bee many things that have changed within the last fifty years, ....in both our lifetimes perhaps...from women wearing slacks to ..heterosexual or gay unmarried people living together...divorce.. and as I pointed our before we tolerate young adolescent girls dressing up like harlots. Your views are ethnocentric. It is very doubtful if we all practiced the Bible in the way it is written, that we would be able to tolerate the inconsistencies that I have brought up, and even within Christianity, some religions don't tolerate them.

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

islam is a political system ( fascism) masquerading as a religion

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Maybe if our culture didn't encourage 13 year old girls to dress up like little harlots on halloween...and year round in some cases... and we didn't go around the world supporting brutal dictators...maybe then, you would have a moral leg to stand on. What about the teachings of the Old Testament and all the brutality in it? You could even find many passages in the New Testament that would be difficult to defend or explain in terms of 21st century acceptability and compassion that most people posess, no matter what religion.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Hmm, sounds a bit like the founding fathers here!! Isn't that why they fought to separate church and state...doesn't that include all religions??

Everyone has the choice and truly, I would rather a Prophet lead me through Peace, than to have statesmen, kings, Rulers, Leaders, politicians, Wall street conglomerates with their knights in shining armor lead me... to death!!
All our worlds have been distorted for their own bloody greedy selves!!

People, we have seen the enemy and the enemy is yourself, and your own ignorance of the weaknesses of mankind!!

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

I lead myself to whatever end comes.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

if you're muslim, the enemy is YOU

[-] 2 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Help yourself to another small spoonful of dirt. Three very small spoonfuls of dirt are smarter than you kid.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

mohammed was the inventor of the dirt called islam, with allah its dirt god. why don't you go play with your zib.

[-] 2 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Here's another small spoonful of dirt kid. Enjoy.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

isn't time for another in a daily series of forced prayers to your dog god?

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Better a Dog God than a god that doesn't exist :-) Try to stand on your own two feet kid. Take at least some responsibility for your life.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

so, you agree that allah is a dog. good start.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Schools teach reading and comprehension, you should have been much more attentive in class kiddo. It is not my responsibility, nor is it the responsibility of others, to educate you, at some point you became responsible for yourself and your life. Take the responsibility to educate and inform yourself or continue on and others will say...

You are a stupid as a post, you have as much common sense as a door knob, a turnip.... or that you are as dumb as a stump, a box of rocks, a teaspoon of dirt...

For allah to be a dog allah would have to exist and just for your edification kiddo, allah and yahweh are one and the same. Like Judaism, Muslims believe who you believe to be the son of god, to be a prophet, like Muhammad.

You might actually consider reading other text from other figures in the bible. Try the Berlin Gnostic Codex, Apocryphon of John. Both interesting. You should get out more.

You should really educate yourself about the subject you attempt to speak about kiddo.

Anything else you need help with..., I am feeling charitable today and am willing to help the needy, destitute local idiot, i.e. you kiddo.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

YOU said allah was a dog god, read your own post.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

You have to do better kiddo.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

"Better a Dog God than a god that doesn't exist :-) " and "For allah to be a dog allah would have to exist"

What a sad tiny liar you are kiddo.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

go back to playing with your zib.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Quote the post. Can't, I wonder why....So you are a liar as well. Sad little boy.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

scroll up and count. it's the 5th post ( in response the 6th post )above this one.

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

the koran mandates which hand you use to wipe yourself after you dump. the koran mandates which hand you must use to feed yourself with. fascism.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

Science has yet to fill the void of the mysteries of the universe that religion has always claimed to fill. Are you familiar with quantum physics? While based on logic and reason it is so unbelievable and inconceivable that I do not blame people for still holding on to their religious beliefs. I am not religious but I have seen things and thought of things that science can't explain. Not everyone that believes in "god" believes that it is some magic man with a beard that created humans in it's own image and blah blah blah. For many people the concept of "god" is just a way of coping with the unknown that science has not been able to explain. For instance what is the scientific explanation for the origin of a thought? Where are these thoughts coming from that I am typing right now? Are they just chemical reactions? Are my thoughts a form of unknown matter?

The way I understand it science is guilty of much of the same guesswork and conjecture as religion. I am not knocking science by the way just saying it is not logical to trade religious beliefs for scientific ones. Something deeper is happening here and I believe the study of both science and religion have merit.

World war I, world war II, Vietnam, etc. were not religious wars but based on capitalism and domination of resources. Religion had virtually nothing to do with some of the most destructive wars in recent history. The genocide of the Jewish people did not occur because they were a different religion but rather because a highly scientific nation believed they were inferior creatures and they used science to propagate these lies and get the support of their people to put them in camps.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good grief! When did Bibles become text books? When did religion begin to be equated to some winged man or child in the clouds? Have any of you ever seen that except in your own imaginations? Mankind needs that type of mental illusions in order to understand the awe of the Universe! Without that hocus pocus being perpetuated he can't conjure up faith enough to believe otherwise! Mankind is too weak to let faith reign, so until mankind's minds get stronger, (which I have no faith in whatsoever) watered down religions will continue to rule!!

[-] 2 points by Risp (24) 2 years ago

Muslims are not reponcible for this economic crisis. Nor did American people lost their homes becourse of Muslims. Muslims are not responcible for the poverty in the United States. Therefore, this dicussion/post is leading to nowhere.

There is not one type of Muslim. Muslims are in many groups. Therfore it is insane to blame the Muslims as a group. You are reading the koran exactly the same as the fundamentalistic Muslims do. And by doing so, you are making it very difficould for the not fundamentalistic Muslim, they are beeing caputured between extremist Muslims and extremist you. Again... this dicussion is non productive, wil lead to nowhere, it is a insane post.

Again, Muslims are not responcible for this economic crisis nor did you lose your home becourse of Muslims. I have a suggestion to you all: put your priorities in order !!!

[-] 2 points by Risp (24) 2 years ago

There are no Islamic soldiers in Western countries. There are a lot of Western soldiers in Islamic countries.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

the dust of dozens of islamic terrorist soldiers are in the midst of thousands of their victims.

[-] 2 points by Risp (24) 2 years ago

Dozens Islamic terrorists… WOW !!! And can you tell me how many Western soldiers are in Islamic countries ??? How many Western combat planes, tanks and artillery are there in Islamic countries ? Can you count them in dozens, how many dozens Western soldiers, combat planes, tanks and artillery are there in Islamic countries ? And how many Muslim people suffer from this ???

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I did not lie-
and claim "There are no Western soldiers in Islamic countries." You may be very surprised to here me say this - I am ashamed and disgusted by what America did to Iraq . Can you tell me what actions of Iran that you are ashamed of and disguste d by?

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Additionally as written by the scholars of Catholicism....let us clear up some facts about Mohammed the Prophet, and Mohammed the Conquerer...two separate individuals... The Prophet: "Concerning his moral character and sincerity, contradictory opinions have been expressed by scholars in the last three centuries. Many of these opinions are biased either by an extreme hatred of Islam and its founder or by an exaggerated admiration, coupled with a hatred of Christianity.

Luther looked upon him as "a devil and first-born child of Satan". Maracci held that Mohammed and Mohammedanism were not very dissimilar to Luther and Protestantism. Spanheim and D'Herbelot characterize him as a "wicked impostor", and a "dastardly liar", while Prideaux stamps him as a wilful deceiver. Such indiscriminate abuse is unsupported by facts. "

So, understand the man, the myths and the motives of those who write about him. Just as man does any man who arrives to help his people out of perpetual bondage and mental slavery!!

After all, who crucified Jesus??

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

There is no invisible man in the sky, all religion is lie. Faith is the holding of belief without proof, self delusion.

We have plenty of reality to deal with, there is no need for spiritual conjecture. Embrace reality, love the world, and act in accordance with simple logic. What goes around comes around kids.

[-] 1 points by Mowat (164) 2 years ago

This is not Islam. This is a human-worship religion like many others. This book is about worshipping Imam Ali, his sons and wife. All of them are great people except that they are not divine.

In fact, no one is divine except God the Almighty. He is the only creator, sustainer, and controller of the Universe and everything in it.

People will not understand religion and will never comprehend who God is until they become good inside.

People who have one or more of the following characteristics are bound to be astray:

  • Unjust
  • Blasphemous
  • Unthankful

That is why most people don't believe in God and the Hereafter. Most people have at least one of the above.

The many signs of creation will push those who don't believe in God into a corner where they cannot reply with confidence that God does not exist.

Who created the food that we all need? How does an orange tree produce oranges? Where is the administrative entity in that tree which instructs the fruit making mechanism with all the compilcated stuff inside. Clear water, sweetner sugars, color, vitamins, minerals...

Can anyone answer this question? Who is behind the making of the things we need to survive?

It is very important for everyone to be sure they have it right. Because if the claim that a Hellfire exists and awaits evil people is true, then one is in real trouble.

You have to do real research to find out if your religion or way-of-life is righteous.

Seek the truth.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

check out the timeline of muslim wars - for over 1300 years http://www.howardbloom.net/militant_islam_timeline.htm


just from 624 to 632 624 Jihad allowed. Mohammed leads or commands 65 military campaigns in ten years.
624 Mohammed leads and commands the Battle of Badr against the Meccans. Allah tells Mohammed, ""It behoveth not a prophet that he should have captives until he hath greatly slaughtered in the land."” Some sources say that 22 prisoners are beheaded “by the hand of Ali”.
625 Mohammed leads and commands the Battle of Uhud
626 Mohammed command the “action against Banu Nazair”
627 Mohammed leads and commands the battle of the Trench
C. 627 Mohammed declares that Jews are “are a people without understanding transformed into apes and swine…racing each other in sin and rancor…. Evil indeed are their works.” This is the point, according to modern Islamic extremists, at which a worldwide war between Jews and Moslems began.
627 The arch angel Gabriel, speaking on behalf of Allah orders Mohammed to command an attack against the Jewish Banu Quraiza. After the Banu Quraiza surrendered, all the men were beheaded, the women and children taken as slaves, and the property distributed as booty
629 Mohammed leads and commands the Battle of Khaibar
629 Mohammed sends out his “invitations” to the kings
629 Mohammed commands a troop of 3,000 to attack Mootah, the first attack of Islam against an Arab-Christian outpost of the Byzantine Empire--and the first excused by the deliberate instigation of Mohammed’s “invitations”
630 Mohammed leads the Conquest of Mecca
630 The Battle of Hunayn—the last battle Mohammed led personally. Though the battle was an embarrassment for the Moslems, Mohammed stayed on the field after most others had fled and continued to rally his fleeing troops to return to the field of battle., ,
631 Expedition to Tabuk
632 Mohammed, on his deathbed, orders Usama to head north and attack the Syrian province of the Byzantine Empire
632 Mohammed’s death

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

None of the wars of the Prophet Muhammad is not Invasion. Why do you say the wrong content?!! Except for the conquest of Mecca, in all wars, the Prophet Muhammad did not attack anywhere, but this war was to defend Islam.

also In the conquest of Mecca, no people was killed. The Prophet Muhammad has forgive all of peoples who surrendered.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

OK, now do all the brutality in the Old Testament.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

You are totally missing the point
The leader of Islam launched 65 wars and battles in 8 years
These wars are historical facts - NOT in a religious book written by men.
But I'll ask -
How many wars did Moses start?
How many wars did Jesus start?


Brutality in the bible ? slavery? injustice? ABSOLUTELY !


but you wont find sura 4 -160 in the bible:

160 Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were [before] made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way, 161 And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences, We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve, a painful doom.


"when they love their children more than they hate us - we will have peace" - GM

[-] 1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

he doesn't know what the GM stands for. Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel.

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

None of the wars of the Prophet Muhammad is not Invasion. Why do you say the wrong content?!! Except for the conquest of Mecca, in all wars, the Prophet Muhammad did not attack anywhere, but this war was to defend Islam. also In the conquest of Mecca, no people was killed. The Prophet Muhammad has forgive all of peoples who surrendered.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Just like us, "...they love their children more......" I know they do. It's the understanding of each other is where the problems lie.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

then why do muslims send their children to blow themselves up?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That is not near as prevalent a question as: Why do we send our children of too foreign lands to to be injured...kill..and be killed? Are we on a higher plain of morality because we use sophisticated weapons, and we can't see first-hand the human misery that we have inflicted on so many of our fellow human beings.

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

Friends, My English is so bad, and I can't explain you that things are in my mind, you are just read this book, don't notice to that thing is advertised in your media's propaganda about islam.

Islam is very very different from what they told you.

Just think at this thing: Why Iranian's Love Islam?!!!

And see this pictures: http://farsi.khamenei.ir/ndata/news/7186/B/khamenei-880329-39.jpg http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2009/12/501310_orig.jpg http://media.farsnews.com/Media/8806/ImageReports/8806270926/3_8806270926_L600.jpg http://www.khabaronline.ir/images/2009/2/09-2-10-74631img_9665.jpg http://www.urmia.ir/portals/urmia.ir/Gallery/Album/147/22bahman14.jpg http://www.jamejamonline.ir/Media/images/1388/03/29/100909873133.jpg http://img.tebyan.net/big/1388/03/186244361352241997108229118250171142482236.jpg

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22338) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Another divisive post trying to distract attention away from our purpose of confronting greed/corruption/manipulation.

We don't have the time for BS.

OWS/Occupy/99% keep doing what you have been doing - moving forward the fight against corruption.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 2 years ago

Well I have to admit, I agree with them on corporal punishment; would be a tremendous improvement as a highly effective alternative to the corruption of our current criminal "justice" system.

[-] 0 points by Nicolas (258) from Québec, QC 2 years ago

With all due respect to those of the islamic faith, I think I speak for many people, not to mention the good of the movement, when I say this :

I want your proselytising out of my saving modern democracy. Thanks. Let your faith be your strenght in the fight for a better society if you must, but don't make it your cause.

[-] 0 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

Brother, we use our faith for help people, defend the oppressed, to establish justice, promote human values​​, eliminating 1% of the aristocracy...

The 1% In USA so advertise for you that you think the main problem in the world is existence of islam..., Whereas exactly the truth is opposite.

Islam is a religion of equality and brotherhood and peace...

I say again, please study islamic books such as Nahj al-Balaghah To understand the reality of islam...please, I entreat you...No loss comes to you.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

understanding islam does not make it a reality.. it is and always will be a religion. america is a country of freedom of religion.. that means each individual can have what ever religion they choose. you see that in this country, based on freedom.. every house has electricity , hot and cold running water, and plenty of food available.. everyone takes a shower each day,, our clothes are clean . you get sick.. you can go to a doctor no matter what religion you are. and you think this is a bad way to live?

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Once again, these fools have no idea about the truth of Islam, so why argue with them...They would probably kill themselves when they realize that the Islamic teachings were the foundations for the Roman Catholic church before its inception. Those same holy writings of Islam were interpreted for those (Christian leaders) to create their own religion from the libraries of Timbuktu. If they realized that the Pope reads the Holy Koran and keeps it in his library, just as the rulers of England do...they would go run to join the Supremacist movements all over again!! No need to defend Islam(ism) on here!! If they weren't so frightened of it, they wouldn't be so worried about it. After all....is there a grave concern about Christianity on here except from their own kind? Be at peace dear....there is nothing left to discuss except PEACE!!

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

Peace?!!! USA, Europe and Israel kills Hundreds of thousands peoples in Vietnam, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Palestine... NOT IRAN.

USA, Europe and Israel have thousands of nuclear weapons NOT IRAN.

USA, Europe and Israel interfere in the internal affairs independent countries of the world...NOT IRAN.

What is the meaning of peace for you???!!!!!

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Staying off this forum!!!

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

islam was invented in the 7th century,........long after christianity.long after judaism ,

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good for you....now keep reading and researching....you have only scratched the surface child!! Get the books that are dated before 1886, then you really might learn something!! Perhaps the letters that Vasco De Gama wrote to the Queen of Portugal when he landed on the coast of Africa, or perhaps the letters from the Vikings when they trekked across Greenland to the North Continent now called Canada... I can discuss with learned individuals, but I abhor ignorance trying to make a point on something that has been shoved up their asses, stopping them from thinking and learning! Yawn!

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

research? what research? judaism is over 5700 years old, christianity is over 2000 years old. cut your babbling , bend over on your prayer rug and moon allah.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Son O' Son....why do you protest so much? Don't you realize that no matter where you go, there you are...and so is the Islamic faith.

I don't have to defend myself or my religious beliefs, I would do the same for Judaism, Islamism, Buddism, Confucism, and all the other faiths that have had their beginnings from the land of "Canaan"

Your anger is wasted on me child. I actually pity you and the hatred that has consumed your logical way of thinking... Poor Slob!

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

You don't have to defend you"religious beliefs" because islam is not a religion. Calling itself one doesn't make it so. islam by any name is still fascism.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

As an agnostic, I sometimes wonder if Jesus, being the first, is the false profit (sic), considering the people who adhere to him have perverted Abraham's teachings, and Mohammad is the true prophet. just saying...

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Yes Jesus was Satan. And has deceived many. But Muhammad was also deceived by Satan. Muhammad claims he was visited by the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel also visited the virgin Mary. If Jesus was Satan , than the angel Gabriel was Satan's angel. The real Mossiach is yet to come.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

That is an interesting perspective.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

There is plenty of evidence. If God was here 2000 years ago the world would be a lot different today.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

And who told you this?

[-] 2 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Neither religion nor science can truly explain the existence of the world. And that's a fact.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

A true enlightened person is not told anything, they find truth for themselves. sheep are told, philosophers learn, and religious zealots are taught. This idea transcends religion and is applicable to economics, societies and politics.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Well, once again I ask....who told you this since that previous statement was not that of a "truly enlightened person"!

An enlightened person does not believe in the immortality or human existence of Satan, Angels, or a Mossiach...which by the way is a theory, part of a religious belief and beliefs are not always truths.
Perhaps you might believe it is true, but you have no way of proving that it is... Henceforth, enlightenment has escaped you my dear!

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Actually, I'm more prone to believe the ancient Greek philosophers over the religious zealots. And questioning one's existence and the faiths of all Is enlightening in my book. The reason I like philosophy over religion is that when you disagree with Philosophers you are relegated to another school of thought, when you disagree with a religious folk, they like to send you to hell. And as for you telling me what is right or enlightening, good luck with that. It may work with your flock, but I'm impervious to other people's opinions.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Opinions and facts.....which one will last is really the question...

Truth and falsehood....nothing more nothing less!!

Any other name we might call truth, doesn't matter...nothing can change the truth...not even the opinions of the enlightened!

So. all of you are really battling within yourselves...

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

All religion is a battle with one's self. When any religion is used to battle others, then, i believe, it has been perverted.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Exactly my point here..."know ye the truth and the truth shall set thee free"!!..

I am happy to say that I am free!!!!

Have a good evening people!!

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I'm getting there. I am not even middle aged yet. i still have the young, arrogant streak that characterizes folly of the youth. :)

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

: > )

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

Jesus preached love, islam teaches hate.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

See, that is not true in all cases. and If you look at some Christians here in the states, they seem to be very bigoted hateful people. I believe people use religion to justify their own behavior. If you ask a person who is faithful what would Jesus do, Nine times out of ten Jesus would do what the person asking the question believes is the right thing to do. Take that man who want's to burn Korans, or those people who go to war funerals spewing hate. This behavior is seen in both faiths, and in both faiths, good, lovable people are found too. My point is, that good and bad people like to use religion to justify their behavior.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

yes, they do, BUT muslims are the only one that MURDER people on a daily basis in the name of their so called religion. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

you need to be careful about going to dot com. sites. Freedom of speech is a bitch and don't always have to be true.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

what dot com sites? barry freely admitted he used coke. he wrote about it in his book,"Dreams From My Father" Do your own search and read for yourself.

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

justice? like murdering gay people for being gay?

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

why do you defense that shamed action?!! didn't have you read the sedom (Lut tribe) story?

read this: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/historical_08.html

Do you not be afraid of the same Lut people's punishment will descend on USA?

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

this is what happens to religions that hate in a civilized society. you see.. islam is a cult of hatred and death.. islamics prove this each and every day.. in civilized society... no one gets to hate anyone else no matter what .. you actually think people are 'required' to behave a certian way.. and you think its ok to kill them if they dont! thats called mental illness its also very very creepy how islamics are so focused on sex.. wierd..

Muslims jailed for gay execution call

http://news.yahoo.com/muslims-jailed-gay-execution-call-171709630.html

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

because... freedom. each person has the freedom to be and do and act as they please. you think its ok to prohibit this freedom? you think its ok for you.. a lowly human.. do enforce rules from a deity you cant even prove exist?

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

sorry fella, i don't have any respect for a cult that of morons that makes a pilgrimage to march around a piece of a meteorite ( kaaba) .

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

What about the cult that believes in zombies?

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[-] 0 points by Tahreer (-1) 2 years ago

Islam is the true religion that end in peace in Jannah inshaa'Allah

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

islam is a political system ( fascism) masquerading as a religon.

[-] 0 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

No, it isn't. In a free nation there is no so called "true religion". And your beliefs mean nothing. Go back to your Third World shit hole.

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[-] 0 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

I congratulate the birth of Holy Prophet of Islam to you, my dear brother. Allah will reward you Insha'Allah...In Jannatul-Ma'waa.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

screw allah

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[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

islam is poison.mohammed , filth.

[-] 2 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

The type of your word show us your Literature and Education so good, No need to explain the truth.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

You care to restate that garbled mess?

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[-] -1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

Go Away Spread your lies somewhere else.

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

Who is the liar will be known soon... You do not even read a book for konw the truth, While you accuse me of lying...

I'm so sorry for you.

[-] 0 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

Take your pity and shove it up your ass filth.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

The "prestige " of islam??????? Familiar with taqiyya?

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

the Face of islam, brother...

[-] -2 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

islam = a malignancy

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

You' re So wrong, just read that book... is that so hard for you???!!!!

[-] -2 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

Sorry "brother", islam is the cancer of the civilized world. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[-] 1 points by smmv2005 (106) 2 years ago

No, it 's true that we say Zionism is the cancer of the civilized world.

USA and Europe and Israel, Support Zions, for money, for oil, for gas...

Do Muslims assassinated Mustafa Ahmadi Roshan or Zions?

Be truthful my friend!!!

Zionists are concerned the progress of Islam in world, It does not matter.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

do muslims assassinate women for having sex?

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[-] -2 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

Why don't you go and pack up that stack of toilet paper you call the koran and hit the road.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Be careful what you wish for..... You just might have to eat those words one day!!!

Here.....why not get to know what really rules this earth and what is taking place. Have any of you ever witnessed the Omnipotence of this Universe? Read and weep....all that is taking place is out of your control, especially if you remain as ignorant as you sound on this forum! http://www.adonialights.biz/ May whatever God you believe in...help you!!

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

you and your book of fascism ( the un holy koran) are the filth of civilization.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

My, my....someone forgot to say their prayers last nite!!

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

I pray that islam be eradicated.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

If you just work through that in your own mind, let it go, then you will be able to do that...eradicate it....but that will be just for yourself only, since Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with you or the family bloodline you "evolved" from.....thank god!!.

[-] -1 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

islam is the cancer of the civilized world. as with any malignant disease you kill it, eradicate it.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22338) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I disagree.

Fanatics of any persuasion are the danger to peaceful prosperous society.

Fanatics "are" your terrorists.

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

In order to be a good muslims you MUST live by the koran. read it sometime. Or look at this site. http://thereligionofpeace.com/

[-] -2 points by tomahawk99 (-26) 2 years ago

yes of course, Islam is the religion of peace; no one in the U.S. cares about Islam, Islam just brings trouble, so please stay out.