Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: Reality Check: What is QE3? What does it mean for the economy?

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 20, 2012, 12:26 a.m. EST by john23 (-272)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

52 Comments

52 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

What qe3 means is more of the same zero sum game for the economy and regular people, but great for banks. To my dismay, Ezra Klein also agrees this is a good thing as well. but I'll have none of that.

Ezra Klein “Unemployed, #Bernanke – #FED has your back.” <---NOT! http://madrantz.net/BlogRantz/?p=1512

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Which part of the video are you disputing? Or are you just distracted by the "Fox News" part?

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

I think you are distracted here. I made no mention good or bad of Fox News. I actually agreed and wrote a similar article.

Pull your head and combative attitude out of the sand and perhaps explore the relevant link I provided to support this video and perhaps this comment and yours could have been avoided. You trollin' or what?

Oh and retract that -1 and add a + thx.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

That's interesting, your post has been massively edited since I replied to it 11 minutes ago. I get the impression that you posted a knee-jerk Fox News slur and THEN watched the video.

(And I didn't vote on your comment, FYI, I just replied to it.)

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

I like how you fabricate reality to suit your desires of the moment. I don't slur anyone nor ever have. If you think I did something wrong alert the admins. Keep trollin if you must.

I'll stand by what I say if I felt like calling Fox-News Fox-Noise I wouldn't have to edit that. You can quit trollin' whenever you're ready..

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Yeah i get the hatred towards Fox news...believe me...can't stand it. This is a local fox station that doesn't get its marching orders from fox. I've seen this guy dig up a bunch of dirt on Romney....although its presented journalistically, and not opinion based.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

I actually agree with the video. The maker doesn't really matter to me, the content is all that matters. The article I wrote a few days ago supports that. I don't hate Fox, I just don't tune to their channel.

Didn't mean to get involved in derailing the issue here with tech-guy. Apologies.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Ah, so if you had originally posted a knee-jerk response about "Fox-Noise" then you wouldn't feel the need to change it and then tell me that you wouldn't change it. But you stand by that. Even though you didn't say that.

[-] 1 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

Blah Blah- if you feel like I have slurred anyone alert a moderation or site admin, until then go find some children to play with. I don't have any interest in your spam-trolling theater any longer. Pass whatever hallucinogenics you're on that allow you to see what isn't there in the first place. Must be trippy.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I was originally calling you out for your prejudiced response to that post, which was about the source and not the content. It became more interesting when you edited you post but then stood by what you originally said while still denying that you ever said it.

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

Prejudice...LMAO.

Racist next? Against a news organization that was never mentioned in my original post, comment, nor the article I wrote about in the link provided.

Wow. Perhaps you've done so much trolling this morning on this thread and elsewhere that again, I will assume you have me mixed up with someone else, or are on some really, really good drugs.

In either case I can stop responding to you because it is clear you aren't even in your right mind, or coherent enough to recognize it yourself.

Like I said, I don't have to put up with your crap. I am not looking for arguments, you can't seem not to start them. Alert an admin if you feel I have done anything wrong here. And let them be the judge, not your warped reality.

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

Oh, and to think I actually follow this guy on twitter. He doesn't even realize who he is having a conversation with.

His description on twitter explains a lot of the confusion.

Tech Junkie @TechJunkie

The subconscious mind of an alien that tries to maintain human form in a chaotic world that lacks order and logic. #iGetHigh because #Weedism (PG 21+)

I rest my case.

Told you he was high or something. Wow.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I responded to both of the people on this page who responded with knee-jerk "FLAKESnews" and "Fox-Noise" slurs without actually watching the video. Because that's bigoted behavior.

[-] 2 points by Anomilus (41) from Naples, FL 2 years ago

Yaaaawns.... and this is why weed is unfairly categorized as a hallucinogenic... this kid is clearly delusional. I did no such thing and dare you to alert a moderator and prove it.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

What is with this usless dribble about it being Fox news or not. Either you do or you don't agree with the video - how hard is that to understand.

How about debating what the video has to offer instead of who presented it. How about an opinion on if what the content of the video presents is true or not and then back it up with facts.

How hard is that to do.

As for me I agree with what the is being stated in the video. If it wasn't true, then the economy wold be doing great - is it? Ask some of the 47%ers and see what they have to say.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It pretty much means that the end of the road is coming for our currency. Which means another big war is on our way.

It SHOULD mean that the people have decided enough is enough, but that isnt happening anytime soon.

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 2 years ago

Fox like I've never see it. At least it finally made the media. Wonder if it makes the full cycle next.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

And the 47% who are receiving government assistance really tells the story. There are no jobs - just more of the same bail out for Wall Street.

The middle class is continually being downsized but yet it is difficult to get it through the peoples head that it is business the improves the economy not government.

When and until Obama is removed from office businesses in this country aren't going to do anything other then survive because uncertainty.

He continually bashes businesses and it is reinforced by those who want to vote for him - he has brainwashed them into thinking that businesses are evil and they need to be taken to the woodshed.

If he is re-elected don't expect the economy to change anytime soon. The writing is on the wall and you can expect to increase your share of debt that you will owe to the government by another $10,000 on top of the $50,000 that you already owe.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

You know, i find that argument so stupid.

First, why in the hell does business get to have an economy geared to its liking?

Shit, if these are the titans of industry and they are so smart and so able to take risk, then this is the best environment for them.

Second, what kind of la la land are these industrialists from? People go about their day to day lives never having the confidence that these industrialists believe they are entitled to. When I hear the business community talk about lack of confidence is why they are not hiring, first thing that comes to mind is they are black mailing us, and second, they are not worthy of their stature because they are non risk taking, scared, little entitlement whores. Really, they are scared into inaction. Well, if that be the case, then maybe they are not the ones who should be at the top, because they are not the risk takers they believe themselves to be.

You do your team a disservice using that busted ass argument. Get some new material, please. At least the "lack of demand" argument makes a little sense.

Your argument, the one I am replying to, just makes me want to dig in and fight those hostage takers even more. I am American; I don't negotiate with hostage takers.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

First off I doubt you have ever been involved in either managing a business or running one.

Secondly small businesses are having trouble making ends meet and the extra money they make in profits is put aside should they have a bad month.

That's what I am talking about - why in the hell should a business person take a risk not knowing how much he will be taxed down the road because of the unceratainty this administration has generated.

If Obama was such a great leader then he would have businesses believe that he will help them out but instead he tears down businesses.

If I owned a business I sure as hell wouldn't do anything right now to expand not knowing what lies down the road for me when it comes to me having to pay taxes.

In addition to that there is no demand for businesses to expand because people are either working two jobs to make ends meet or just getting by with the job they have.

Obama hasn't done one thing to help the working class or small business. All he does is make those of you whom believe him that being wealthy is evil and he wants to take that money away from samll businesses to form a socialists society.

Small businesses are not drinking his coolaid and they aren't having any of that.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

It's called being a risk taker. It seems this generation of business owners forgot what such a concept entails. If you are too scared to grow your business then maybe you need to get out the way, liquidate you assets and let those who live paycheck to pay check take your place. They seem to be the only ones who really know what risk taking is all about. I'm starting to believe that the wealthy are the true entitlement junkies.

Ohw, "i had it so well when no one challenged my assumptions and let me do what ever it is I wanted to do. I can't function when there is opposition," whine, whine, bitch and moan.

Also, your hyperbole flies in the face of what bills and deeds Obama actually endorsed. Shit, if there ever was a pro business president, Obama would be your man. I support him, not because his actions are in line with my thinking, but because Romney's rhetoric continues the policy of placating all the whiners.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Did you even read what I posted? This just proves more and more you know nothing about running a businesses or managing one.

It always amuses me when people who never have any business experience know exactly what's best for the businesses owners. Utterly amazing.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

I agree with a lot of what you said...unfortunately i see Romney doing the same thing.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews...........giggle..........Honestly?

FLAKESnews?? Again?

You couldn't find any purer bullshit to post?

Some people never learn........I'm sorry......they just don't.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

You think giving Wall Street more money is the solution?

Because it's not.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

No, I think he's distracted by the "Fox News" part and it's very unlikely that he even watched the video.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

It's also a local station which is much different. Ohio WXIX. I actually work in a news station and I know two guys who worked for a local Fox station and they're not the same as Fox News Channel and the cable channels. The Simpsons and Family Guy are not the same as Fox news either. He's just being facetious.

Shooz is the type that will disregard monetary reform talk because "Ron Paul" even if Ron Paul is not in the topic.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews.........giggle..............unbelievable.

[-] 2 points by GNAT (150) 2 years ago

Your hate for fox because it's a right wing outlet, outweighs your opposition to more WallSt handouts. WTF are you even on this forum for?

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I'm really curious about that as well, and for at least two other people here also. When your prejudices prevent you from listening to other people because you assume that they're wrong before they even open their mouths -- that's bigotry. And hate is not a liberal virtue, so intolerant behavior like that seems to be both anti-OWS and anti-liberal.

If right-wingers really were trying to attack this site with anti-OWS propaganda games then I have to think that they would have a lot more success with manufacturing personalities like shooz, than with straightforward trolling. People like shooz drive away potential supporters, whereas the overt trolls simply reinforce people's resolve.

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 2 years ago

aside from the right wing bit, pretty much. It's obvious they are not on here for OWS's benefit.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews.......LOL........................H'yuk h'yuk.

Sure I oppose 'em, but FLAKEnews?.............REALLY?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Like you shooz?

How bout some substance in your comment.

This isn't Fox news....this is a local Fox affiliate that doesn't have anything to do with the mother company....i've seen this guy rip apart Romney.

Other titles of Reality Check:

Reality Check: Mitt Romney's economic plan will send 800,000 jobs overseas?

Reality Check: Are independent voters moving away from Mitt Romney?

Reality Check: Did Mitt Romney commit a federal felony by not accurately reporting his role at Bain Capital?

Reality Check: Influence Peddling? The biggest campaign donors in the 2012 election so far

Reality Check: Obama and Romney, no real opposing views on healthcare?

Reality Check: Pro-Life Romney Holds Fundraiser With Maker of Morning-After Pill?

Reality Check: Obama and Romney Have Both Been On Both Sides Of Same Sex Marriage?

Reality Check: Fact checking Mitt Romney's budget plan

and on and on....

Swann talking about Ryan and Romney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfxpCu5qxx4&t=11m9s

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews.............you gotta be kidding me?

Yes, even the affiliates partake in the Murdock mayhem.

Why wouldn't they? FEAR sells almost as well as sex.

If you don't know FLAKESnews? You don't know propaganda.

FLAKEnews= Media Corp. and all it's affiliates, subsidiaries, foundations, etc..

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Yeah, i know fox news...and i never watch it....ever....likewise MSNBC and CNN....it's all junk.

Still waiting on substance from you...like pertaining to the information in the video.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You don't watch it? You post it?

LOL

FLAKESnews!!!

World leaders in propaganda propagation.

LOL OK.

[-] 2 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

This isn't afffiliated with the parent company.

Still waiting on substance from you...like pertaining to the information in the video.

I don't consider capitilized "LOL's" substance......

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Romney has not given me a reason to care about what he says

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

What does that have to do with anything i said? He hasn't given me any reason to care about what he says either.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the video mentioned

Swann talking about Ryan and Romney:

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Not even remotely related to the point of my comment.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Still waiting on substance from you...like pertaining to the information in the video.

Snappy!

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

I posted the video....that was the substance

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If it says FOX? It's FLAKESnews/Media Corp.

That's the way it works.

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

yeah..done talking to you. Like to keep it constructive...waste of my time.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

FLAKESnews will do that to you.

Leave you with nothing constructive.

You can do better........There's always Glenn Beck.

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 2 years ago

You can't find one thing about the video or the validity of the facts presented in it to engage upon. We intend to change this country, and part of that means leaving no room for party preachers such as yourself. I've been patient thus far but honestly, there is no room for your rhetoric anymore. You're just trash talking like a snot nose kid, take a hike.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Oh richard's puppet. I'm abashed.

Not.

I already watched one of this guys "op-eds" and won't bother with another.

I'm surprised at you, thinking that FLAKESnews is anything but what it has always been, what it was designed to be.........................A propaganda outlet.

And tell me to take a hike over it?????

I don't think so puppet.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 2 years ago

You aren't disputing facts. You're disputing the messenger. We all loath and distrust the media but facts are facts and unless it's a conversation about unions, facts never get in your way of the red team blue team paradigm. The party baiting as a smokescreen to cloud out information and facts is part of what Occupy is protesting. In other words, you are what is being protested. Do you really not get it? We are protesting the very habits you cling to on this forum with a death grip. Well hold on even tighter my partisan brother, you're in for one wild ride, in the dark, without a clue as to where you're going.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I will gladly dispute anything at all broadcast over an admitted propaganda provider.

That you won't is what is sad.

What's next? Quotes that seem to fit from David Duke?

I've also explained at length that I don't believe, nor accept the "duality" concept, so drop it.

That's your box, not mine.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Which is a proper response to what I said in what way?

It doesn't address a single thing, puppet.

Have fun in the box someone else made for you.