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Forum Post: Raub threatened with drugs and brainwashing by psychiatrist

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 24, 2012, 8:52 a.m. EST by john23 (-272)
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"Further, in a surprising twist, Whitehead revealed a startling allegation that his client made regarding an incident that occurred before his release. Raub complained to his attorney that one of the psychiatrists that he was seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him to take medication.

“That really scared him,” he said."

continued: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/attorney-of-former-marine-detained-for-facebook-posts-to-beck-psychiatrist-threatened-to-brainwash-my-client-with-meds/

For those who know of our past history with brainwashing...this isn't far fetched from what can actually happen when the public's eye isn't directly on the situation.

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[-] 2 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

The Beck has spoken again!!!

OK he lied again too, but that's alright because he's a Mormon.

It's OK for them to lie to us non believers. Just like the Taliban.

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

no, you stop it fuck! no buildings collapse by the plane. cut the innocence and return to your meds hehehe just messin with you! stress your accent on magic 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvblotUOfuE&feature=player_embedded#!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the 911 attack was on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

and..?. Matt i cant recognize you like that

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

The US will not listen to those that kill

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

absolutely right. we would unable to hear what dead terrorist think about this

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I don't see anything in the article linked above indicating the direct threat to brainwash.

What I do see, however, is that repelican organizations have taken this issue up as their cause dujour . . . Glenn Beck, The Rutherford Institute, and it would appear, the Blaze, are all right wing individuals or groups.

Extreme methods of psychological torture may include the presentation of a father figure, one who apparently rescues the victim from their tormentors, thus gaining trust, providing what appear to be answers, explanations, and solutions to, what the victim has undergone.

Acceptance of this father figure leaves the victim open to further victimization and manipulation.

The question is why such a high profile instance of this behavior?

Perhaps repelicans are planning a resurrection of McCarthyism . . .

If so, I wonder how they plan to keep it all under control?

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

The psychiatrist threatened to brainwash him w/ meds....did you not read the whole article?

Who cares who took up this case? Its working for you too....to be able to express how you feel about things...no matter what your political ideologies may be. People need to stop viewing these things as right vs left...and start using some common sense...common sense as in supporting the first amendment.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

did you not read the whole article?

Apparently not - I stopped just a short way down, in my browser there is a break in the article, and it initially appeared to be comments section below.

mybad

From the article:

Further, in a surprising twist, Whitehead revealed a startling allegation that his client made regarding an incident that occurred before his release. Raub complained to his attorney that one of the psychiatrists that he was seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him to take medication.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Can you show me what legitimate psychiatrist uses the term brainwashing for psychiatric care?

Brainwashing is what Glenn Beck attempts to do.

Is yours clear yet?

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

"nothing quality about a faker like paul"

What do you mean?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Most of his political existence is a lie.

Now his son Rand, will continue those lies.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

examples? or more baseless allegations?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Not really.

It's been gone over, time and time again, but I will give you this.

He's a career politician, who's not a real career politician.

He's a (R)epelican't who's not a real (R)epelican't.

He's a libe(R)tarian who's not a real libe(R)tarian.

Those things alone make him a liar, not matter what he makes up to defend it.

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

"Those things alone make him a liar."

Example? Proof? Data to back it up?

I can make up shit too. Fairies grow on trees because it makes sense in my head.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

pollination is often air born

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

There is nothing at all in my statement that is "made up".

Why don't you tell me what he really is then?

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

Why don't you tell me what he's lying about...you're the one bringing it up.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

I think that's up to you at this point. The issue was dealt with many times over when the site was inundated with RP propaganda in it's early days.

Feel free to do a search of the site. You will find enough truth to make you shiver.

I won't belabor the issue again, as I know what I know about the man and libe(R)tarianism in general.

His son is still lying through his teeth too.

[-] -1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

The usual BS i get...not specifics

Anyone can call anyone a liar....truth lies in the ability to prove your assertions...and not just say stuff loudly.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

I've already shown you how he's bullshit, yet you still refuse to even deal with that.

Maybe in your world, bullshit isn't considered lying, in mine it is.

It's not my fault you believe in the press releases.

I did my homework, now it's time for you to do yours.

All the info you need was long ago posted here on the site, and I'm not doing anymore of your homework for you.

So look it up.

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

"I've already shown you how he's bullshit"

No you haven't....not 1 thing.

I've done my homework....read 20+ financial and economic books (many textbook length) dealing with your side vs mine....same deal with capitalism and opposing views.

I'm digging through the shock doctrine right. Only 100 pages into it and it really bothers me because she has so much good information on certain topics...and so much terrible info on others.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

I don't actually have a side, besides the one others insist on painting me with. It's unfortunate that you feel you are on a "side".

Yes I did show you 3 ways the man is bullshit.

You just never responded to it.

Knowing one of his main influences is Ayn Rand, have you ever really looked into what she was calling for?

So now there's four ways the man is bullshit.

I expect you to ignore that one too.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I don't know

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Only his hairdresser knows for sure.........................:)

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

How about you read the shock doctrine by naomi klein..isn't that standard reading for this site? A pre-req?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Yes, and Beck would be a purveyor of said doctrine.

What I've found most curious in this case, is a complete lack of honesty as to what this guy was saying in a public space.

Quite frankly, I think people like Limbaugh, could do with a bit of brain cleaning.

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

i don't like limbaugh or beck either...that's not what this is about.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

You received your info from Becks web site.

So to one extent or another, it is what it's about.

Now, how about that honesty as to what this guy posted on public web site?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Now, how about that honesty as to what this guy posted on public web site?

May I be of some small assistance with that? I don't mean to suggest that what follows represents the sum of what he posted, nor are the conclusions definitive or final. They are merely a place from which such a discussion can begin.

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First we have to distinguish between simply being radicalized and being programmed. Programming comes as a result of repetition - and may often include various forms of both positive and negative reinforcement. The more punishing the negative reinforcement, the more deeply the conditioning may be set.

Radicalization is similar, the differences may be subtle, but in general it is simply a process of pissing someone off - constantly.

Given the utility of the angry white guy syndrome, I include both types of what I consider very very bad behavior under the heading Manchurian Candidate. Strictly speaking, the movie depicts true conditioning, as opposed to simple radicalization. Since I presume it may be difficult to tell the difference today, and since both forms in my view are as a result of that really really bad behavior I assume the use of the term Manchurian Candidate is appropriate.

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. With a more precise understanding of the term, we can now examine telling symptomology:

  • There is a degree of altruism incorporated in his message - as you can see here when he says You deserve to know the truth. He goes on to assert the government is evil, and this represents a significant change in thinking - he did join the military, had he held this opinion of the government at that time then it seems highly unlikely he would have signed up.

    • he insists there is evil planned against us, and that it is great in scope - making such public statements while holding such a belief implies that he is placing himself at some risk in attempting to get the message out.

    • this point should not be understated - especially since it may provide motivation in the future. If he thinks he is taking personal risk, he will be evaluating his encounters with authority to determine if that risk is present during the encounter, or in the future - reception of his message is his primary source of feedback, and will form the basis of his evaluation.

  • He identifies individual portions of federal bureaucracy as complicit in something, and seeks to communicate to them through his FB postings:

    • *Dear men and women in positions of power here may be an indication that he sees a distinction between average government employees and those who are engaged in corruption;
    • within our government, corrupt bureaucrats, corrupt judges and police*
    • and he indicates that he doesn't have time to explain in more depth - possibly indicating a time constraint beyond the norm.
    • He also indicates a recognition that others perceive him as going crazy - indicating he is aware of how his behavior is impacting others, not entirely trying to hide it, but perhaps attempting to tailor his behavior in such a way that it leaves room for the accessibility of his message - because obviously in his mind the message is important.
  • He has expectations of both the American people and our institutions - he says We are Americans and therefore will win out against the corruption; he has an expectation of Justice - these are principles ingrained as a result of the narrative we tell our selves and our children, it has a basis in reality, and the cause of Justice is, in his view at this present time, at some risk.

    • Chem trails show up as a theme in this FB post - I'm not sure where it comes from, perhaps it originated in South America as a result of paraquat spraying; I'm not certain on that point - but this theme has gained traction among the tin foil hat crowd - and since we did use various portions of an unsuspecting U.S. public as guinea pigs with radiation experiments, it is not possible to state with utter certainty that such claims are complete nonsense.

    • NOTE: This is also the only time, based on the evidence we have, where he states explicitly that repetition of the message You are Heroic has power to convince and to alter behavior. It is likely he has found himself within an environment where positive reinforcement for his current behavior has followed this process and the theme of heroism, and it may in fact be based on some of his marine experience, capitalizing on the conditioning he has already undergone as a result of boot camp, or later military training.

  • The theme of personal risk may be seen in this FB posting, and we also see positive reinforcement for his message. Heroism is also a theme repeated here - and it should be remembered that Richard Jewel did think he would go to Atlanta and become a hero - it didn't work out that way even though he did attempt to do something to stop the bombing.

    • It should be noted that in Jewel's case, he won a million dollar settlement with the FBI - they had no clue at that time regarding the nature and utility of such constructs, if they had they would not have been out a million bucks. Also, a year or two later he died of a heart attack. We cannot know if this was by natural causes or if it was chemically induced - but the value of the iconography alone suggests the later.
  • Here we see he has accepted the view that the government was responsible for September 11; this kind of thinking is prevalent among the tin foil hat crowd and yet, rarely are individuals arrested for their behavior as it ties to this belief. I would suggest that some form of reinforcement, some form of personal experience, reinforcing that perception of great evil is what makes the difference between someone who simply holds this belief, and someone who becomes extremely angry and agitated and attempts redress.

  • The last picture in the series of links included in the Forum Post indicate that the revolution is here, and someone will come pick him up to lead it. This is typical of the practical joker who says, do this for me, you'll like it, it'll be fun*, when the reality is actually quite different. It is similar to the Jewel experience, in that Jewel did not end up being the hero he expected.

    • This last also has an element of the spooky - a premonition that comes out twisted, which has the result of warning: You do not want to be this guy, because we will make you the tragic butt of an endless series of practical jokes, and there is nothing anyone can do. Sit down, shut up, and maybe we'll leave you alone . . . It isn't true of course, they never stop. Abusers rarely do.

    • NOTE: I haven't checked the YouTube url, but I note the caption: Big Pun - Brave in the Heart - A Tribute to the Artist This appears to be a possible message, one that only those engaged in his environment will catch. As if he is now creating his own, Subliminal Billboards.

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. originally posted here

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Sounds like they were concerned that he might go off the rails, and wanted to find out how far.

That his flag is being born by one of our main purveyors of MSM conspiracy theories, does not escape my notice.

With such scant real info, that field is ripe..

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I've posted similar stuff - with some subtle but perhaps significant differences.

Like this

I think what may have inspired authorities to act was a phone call alerting them to those postings - someone monitors these various sites constantly yet are not on the record.

A phone call placed law enforcement notification in the record - as we see with Aurora college officials are on the record there has having been notified; it remains to be seen how much comes out.

In any case - no one has ever contacted me officially on the basis of my posts. I conclude a phone call makes all the difference.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Some folks around here have claimed to have received strange calls.

I think at this point, the armed forces would be remiss not take notice of the activities of those they have indoctrinated.

Some adjust better than others.

And court cases could lead to exposure they don't desire.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

And court cases could lead to exposure they don't desire.

It hasn't stopped them so far.

McVeigh marched silently to the gallows.

Kaczynski remains in isolation and hasn't said much.

And the Joker is so medicated all he can do is drool

They don't seem too bothered by the prospect of court cases unless it involves al qaeda members.

I'm not sure why that is - unless perhaps a simple and blatant grab for power via the judiciary.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

I'm not sure what you are getting at here ZD, but I think this case has been blown out of proportion.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It is purely speculation - but Kaczynski is known to have been subjected to some aspect of MKULTRA,

I suspect each of these guys are Manchurian Candidates of one kind or another.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

All the more reason for them to keep an eye on them.

For my end?

Once such case is picked up bullshat upon by the likes of Beck, I become highly suspect, but maybe that's part of the plan too

[-] 0 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

I've listened to rap music that has is 100x worse than this. Should 50 cent be committed to a psych ward?

I didn't even realize that was becks site.....got the link through another site talking about it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

I can see the honesty thing is still escaping you, so you pretend not to realize it is Becks site.

You're just not the coy type, so quit playing that role..

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

honest to god truth...you think i would intentionally post something from becks site on this site? I know what awaits people that do that.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Considering your penchant for posting Ron Paul crap, it is a bit out of line, but not that surprising.

Easily misled, is easily misled..

[-] 1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

show me one post of ron paul stuff that i've made

[-] 1 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

Gosh, just one? There's so many.

Here this one will do, it's got 2 youtube links.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ron-paul-predictions-prophet/

Are you having memory problems?

[-] -1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

forgot about that....was a quality post though

[-] 2 points by shooz (26741) 1 year ago

There's a lot more where that came from, so please don't play coy.

It's getting boring.

There's nothing quality about a faker like Paul.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Detention issues must be taken, very seriously. Illegal detention, is a weapon.