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Forum Post: Rand Paul Stands Between US War With Iran

Posted 8 years ago on March 28, 2012, 12:49 p.m. EST by Reneye (118)
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Rand Paul has effectively single handedly blocked a bi-partisan bill to place yet more crippling economic sanctions on Iran, by demanding an amendment to prevent the White House using the legislation as an authorization to attack the country.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) wanted to immediately pass the sanctions bill by unanimous consent Tuesday. However, Paul intervened and blocked it, in order to ensure that unauthorized use of military force against Iran does not transpire.




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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

Rand Paulites- google "ayn rand william hickman" enjoy!

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 8 years ago

Great, I'm all for it. Avoiding this war is the main issue today, since it would involve a confrontation between the worlds nuclear powers, the US, Russia and China, in Iran, even possibly triggering global nuclear war.

I just wish leftists and libertarians also could find some way to work together on economic recovery.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 8 years ago

The Ronulans are among us: How Ron Paul’s delegate strategy is actually working


March 27, 2012

On they come, marginalized by the media and ridiculed by the Republican establishment. Their votes are often rejected at precinct caucuses, their voices ignored by temporary chairmen who flout their own rules and pretend that they have the votes for their prearranged delegate slates.

On one occasion a crowd of onlookers shouts objections at this fraud, only to be subjected to prearranged organized arrests for “disturbing the peace.” Some participants openly weep, in shame for the obscenity of such blatant corruption. Others become angry. In Missouri, a weary delegate is seen vomiting by the side of a building, sick over what she has just experienced.

In Kentucky they show up to find that their name is on a list prohibited from participation by the County Chairman. He claims he did a drive-by the day before and they had a Libertarian sign in their yard and therefore cannot participate in a GOP caucus.

In Nevada the microphones are only allowed for favored candidates and are turned off when a young Hispanic tries to speak. There are lots of Hispanics among this crowd. Parliamentary rules are ignored. Prospective delegates are intimidated.

In Virginia, they are tricked into leaving the building, told that if there is no quorum the vote can be delayed until the rest of their people show up. But once out of the building the County Chairman, herself, locks the door so they can’t get back in.

In Alaska, election times are changed and their names are excluded from robo calls announcing those changes. Participants from all of the other campaigns are invited. Insiders are reportedly allowed to vote in caucuses by telephone conference calls, meanwhile, young people who show up are turned away in droves, saying they are too late or not registered, in spite of showing registration documents.

In Maine, a county chairman cancels the caucus, knowing that they will have a strong showing. A GOP official transfers false data and her phony numbers are caught by a local newspaper.

In an Oklahoma county convention a corrupt chairman adds new delegates who didn’t attend precinct caucuses and eliminates those who actually did. Another establishes a credentials committee which eliminates anyone under the age of thirty.

And yet, on they come, in spite of the pain, the inconvenience, the open hostility of the Party bosses. They are like a tide of the ocean. And for every precinct or county where they are violated or cheated, there is another where their sheer numbers prevail. These are the Ronulans, the Ron Paul supporters, trying to take back the Mothership from the corrupt Empire. And unseen, unheralded by the national media, they are showing signs of success.

In Seattle they overwhelm the 46th and 36th legislative district delegate elections, electing their own chairman, and winning every single one of the 21 delegates to the state convention. The rejected former GOP chairman, pouting over his loss, walks off the stage with all of the Party ballots and scanners, perhaps believing that they cannot have a meeting without the Republican Party’s technology.

They out-organized us says a Romney man. The same thing happens in the 36th District, where the Paul’s supporters vote down a Romney contrived “unity slate” that claimed to represent all of the other candidates. Weeks ago the Associated Press claimed that Romney would win 30 of the Washington State delegates to the national convention, Ron Paul, they reported would win 5. But it is turning out to be very different.

In Minnesota, where the AP projects 37 delegates for Santorum, 1 for Gingrich and 0 for Ron Paul the difference between media and reality is even more stark. In Carver County, Minnesota (suburban Minneapolis) Ron Paul supporters show up in force securing 30 out of the 52 delegate slots that will go onto the State Convention. Reports across the state are similar, especially in the suburbs. In most of them Ron Paul supporters account for at least a third of the delegates that will go to State. Theoretically, if they could unite, a Santorum-Paul deal could split the whole delegation to Tampa and deny Romney all but a few.

It is the same story in Missouri. Here too, Senator Rick Santorum won the statewide beauty contest but is seeing the delegates being swept away by the Ronulan tide. Ron Paul sweeps the St. Louis City Caucus and doubles the nearest delegate winner, Mitt Romney, in Jackson County (Kansas City.) It is a dramatic showing. In the Sixth Congressional District, Dr. Paul bags the whole lot, winning every single delegate to the State Convention.

Santorum wins Christian County but it is a bittersweet victory. The County Chairmen himself openly declares “voter fraud.” Videos and written eye witness reports abound on what really happened.

Perhaps the most dramatic contest centers on Greene County. (Springfield, Missouri.) This is the home to the national headquarters for the Assemblies of God and the Baptist Bible Fellowship, of Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell fame, respectively. The Ronulans extend a hand of cooperation to the Santorum people but it is rejected. And who can blame them? Santorum had carried the County by 54% in the statewide, non binding, contest. The Romney people quickly step into the breach, make peace with the Ronulans. The end result is a delegation to the State Convention that is 59% Ron Paul, 36% Mitt Romney and 5% Rick Santorum.

Again in Boone County, (Columbia, Missouri,) Ron Paul organizer, Bruce Summers tries to strike a deal with Santorum supporters and is flatly rejected. The Ronulans promptly elect a new chairman of the caucus and the Romney supporters, seeing the math, fall into line, offering to join with the Ron Paul forces just to be able to get a piece of the delegation that will go onto State.

Santorum forces become so defensive over the invasion of young Ronulans in Cass County that they make a deal with Romney they didn’t have to make. Just to be certain of keeping out the Ron Paul supporters, they give up five delegates to Romney, their main rival for the GOP nomination. Like the Ron Paul deals with Romney, it is a tactical decision of strategic incompetence.

In Iowa, where it all began last January, where the Romney State Chairman delayed reports that Santorum had really won after all, they have announced a new State Chairman. He is A.J. Spiker, the State co-chairman for Ron Paul for president. And still, the AP delegate tracker suggests that split of delegates from Iowa will be Santorum 14, Romney 12, and Ron Paul 1. Clearly, if the Ronulans can replace the Romney State Chair with their own man, they will get much more than one delegate to Tampa.

So who are these Ron Paul supporters? They are young. He carried 48% of the youth vote in Iowa, 47% in New Hampshire, while six other candidates split the rest. They are Hispanic. He carried 52% of the Hispanic vote in Clark County, Nevada ( Las Vegas) while all of the others split the rest. And they are Independents. In a recent CBS poll he did better among Independents than all other candidates including Barack Obama.

And that means that they are the future. It means they are going to keep coming. They cannot be stopped, only delayed. And not for long. They are coming. They are coming.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 8 years ago

I have so little time to converse or do anything on this forum but post a few articles, but I just had to say thank you for this post MD. I appreciate it.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 8 years ago

best regards, Reneye

[-] 1 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 8 years ago

It's a sad thing when the only thing standing between us and another war is this lunatic. And the democrats are supposed to be the party of the left. Its sad that people on here that will lline up to vote for the fraud that the Democratic party has become.

[-] -1 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 8 years ago

So sad, huh?

Wait until Obama conveniently declares martial law and KILLS the USD. He said he intended to kill the dollar and is getting quite a bit of global help.

I can only imagine NDAA won't even be a consideration if martial law is declared in the name of emergency preparedness. There sure won't be a 2012 election if he times it well.

Besides, everyone knows that anyone talking about "sound money" is a nut case lunatic.

Sig Heil!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Still having fun with your absurdities?

I can recall idiots saying the same thing about Clinton.

You silly wrong wingers are just plain silly.

The funny part is the party closest to fascism are the (R)epelican'ts.

So sig heil, right back at ya.


[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

I'm a lifelong progressive Democrat and I totally agree with his position. First time I've ever agreed with the little creep but he is 100% right and I fully support the adoption of his amendment in this legislation.

[-] 0 points by reckoning (53) 8 years ago

Rand Paul, one of the few good guys.

[-] 0 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

It doesn't matter here. He has an "R" behind his name and the "D"s seem to have no problem inciting another war, so OWS will be all for a war with Iran.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 8 years ago

That's obvious not true, come on dude? I mean, it is true that most OWS supporters are not Ron Paul style libertarians, but there is certainly agreement in this particular area.

[-] -1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

If you're really sincere about trying to make America a better place, you should consider trying to help OWS, instead of vilifying everything before you even know the facts. I doubt very seriously that OWS will endorse war with Iran. And saying so won't make it so. So, did you say that to offer constructive criticism or just to be a dick?

[-] -1 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

It would seem obvious that I said it to be a dick. OWS has been shilling for Dems and hating on any other ideas since the start. This is nothing more than a liberal, leftwing movement that represents about 5% of the US while claiming it represents another 94% on top of that. It is disingenuous at best and trying to be manipulative at worst.

[-] 2 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

The tea party protests started as grass roots and were quickly co-opted by Freedomworks, etc. It's no surprise when politicians try to claim a movement as their own. The fact that you swallow everything your right wing masters feed you, hook, line and sinker, just goes to illustrate how powerful a horizontal movement like OWS really is.

If you really believed it represented so few and had so little to offer, you wouldn't be here ranting and so obviously panicked about it. Your natural condition is fear of the unknown, as is obvious by your statements. Education will set your mind free and give you an opportunity to spend less of your life in abject fear. I encourage you to pick up a book not written by RW shills someday.

But thanks for admitting you're a dick! ;-)

[-] 0 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

I come here and "rant" because it is a fun way to waste my time. When this site first came up, there were thousands of people posting all sorts of crazy shit; mostly 9/11 conspiracies and theories on how the Jews control the government etc. Now there are a few dozen left as the rest your movement seems to have become bored with the insanity that is OWS. I have no master and no fear when it comes to OWS, I just like riling up the feathers of the touchy/feely lefties. I do the same to the Rep/Cons on other sites, but they aren't nearly as much fun as a fuming lib.

[-] 0 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

I'm sure I've already bitch-slapped you over on Mediaite plenty of times, since cesspools is where you hang out. This is far from the only OWS site and far from the only one with an active community. The reason you're at THIS one is because you can get away with more BS here than you can on other OWS sites. So spare the platitudes, Socrates. You're an idiot on your best day.

[-] 1 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

Never been to Mediate, but you can find me at HuffPo, FoxNation and the Blaze. I don't know who is funnier, an angry, puffy lib/prog or a Jesus defending "intelligent design" defender. Equally dumb people on different sides of the aisle.

[-] 3 points by April (3196) 8 years ago

Aww come on. The Right Wing Jesus freaks are far funnier than the puffy libs! It's the Right Wing Jesus freaks that make the libs angry in the first place. lol.

[-] 2 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

I have to admit, while I am right leaning on monetary issues, I am left leaning on many social issues, which leave me pretty much on my own when it comes to political commentary. I have been called a rabid liberal and a shill for neo-cons from both sides, but I laugh at it all. I actually feel bad for the die-hard evangelicals as their ignorance is beyond belief. Their theories on why the earth is only 6,000 years old and how all of the scientists have it wrong is amusing and sad at the same time.

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 8 years ago

Ooooo. I feel a bonding moment coming on. Wanna bond? I abhor right wing religious nutcases. I think they're mentally ill. I can't stand how they don't have the slightest regard for separation of church and state. And they vote against their own economic self interest every single time. How stupid is that?! Those crazed, mentally ill Evangelicals. There's just enough of them, and that's the only reason Republicans ever get elected to anything.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

"I have to admit, while I am right leaning on monetary issues, I am left leaning on many social issues"

I'm with you there.

[-] 0 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

You have spunk, kid. I'll give you that. And I'm not in favor of spiking trees, if those are the kind of liberals you're talking about. But for the most part, America is a progressive nation, always has been. That's why we're here. You really need a better education. Seriously.

[-] -2 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 8 years ago

Amen, although I have to say you give the pinheads far too much credit.

[-] 0 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

Aw! Look at the morons patting each other on the back. Mutual admiration societies are frequently known for having very few members. ;-)

[-] -2 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 8 years ago

You'll figure it out soon enough.

[-] -1 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

I say 5% because I am guessing that a quarter of the die hard Dem/libs (who compose about 20% of the population) are as dumb as I think they are.

[-] -2 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 8 years ago

So you say, if OWS was sincere about making America a better and ACTUALLY FREE place, the DNC shills here wouldn't have been so irrationally rabid in their opposition to anyone not blowing communism up their asses.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

America is a better and ACTUALLY FREE place - if your name is david or charles or willard,


[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

I don't see how DNC infiltrators would be a reflection on OWS, unless you're suggesting it's been a DNC operation all along. And you know what? I don't think that's impossible. But I also see others posting about how OWS was dominated by anarchists from the beginning. Was that part of a DNC plan to channel frustration into a "movement" that could be easily discredited as incoherent and trivial? Perhaps. Or maybe OWS is really what it seems like -- a not-very-well organized demand that economic justice take center stage in America. In the end, it's what the public thinks it is that matters. Perception is reality more often than not.


[-] -2 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 8 years ago

Well if most of the elected servants in DC, who are of the highest integrity and morality, want to go to war with anyone, it's a "no brainer" that WE should.

That pesky and meddling Rand.