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Forum Post: ralph nader is on the money - as usual!

Posted 1 month ago on July 5, 2014, 7:21 a.m. EST by flip (6868)
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Two November Chances for Progressives

By Ralph Nader

With the Tea Partiers giving the establishment Republican incumbents much ferment in the primaries (or retirement, as in the case of David Brat defeating powerhouse Congressman Eric Cantor in Virginia), what are progressives doing to their corporate-indentured incumbent Democrats? Not much. There are few electoral challengers or pressures directly pushing progressive redirections for our declining political economy, beset with rising poverty and plutocracy.

Progressive Democrats are almost as addicted to the “least worst” slumber theory of voter abdication as the forlorn liberals dreaming of Hillary and eight more years of corporate Clintonism and its overseas militaristic forays.

The political energy levels between the smaller number of Tea Partiers and the larger number of politically active progressives is stunning. Progressives wallow in a plethora of excuses for not taking on the Democratic Party establishment, pronounced moribund as long as 2001 in a crisp Washington Post opinion article by former Labor Secretary Robert Reich.

This is not to say that progressives are quiet on the issues. On a daily basis, progressive writers, activists and professors pour out powerful exposés, critiques and suggested reforms of corporate crimes and abuses. They challenge politicians who prostrate themselves before corporate chieftains for campaign cash.

The trouble is that these same vocal citizens do not carry their deep concerns from free speech into the electoral arenas. By not doing so, they consign most of their reforms to awailing futility. The “wail” is that the Republicans are even worse. The “futility” is that talking on incumbent Democrats who champion crony capitalism and Empire is tilting at windmills.

Well, two authentic progressive candidates are rejecting such destructive despondency, one in the 2nd Congressional District of West Virginia and the other in the 21st Congressional District of New York – both open seats.

Native West Virginian, Ed Rabel, the long-time, award winning war correspondent for CBStelevision, is running as an Independent for the House of Representatives. Rabel, for thirty-three years, covered raging wars in over 100 countries, including Vietnam, Laos, and South American and African countries. He has come back home to serve his people by challenging abusive corporations and by taking on the politicians who serve their corporate paymasters.

Before he even finished getting the necessary signatures to qualify for the ballot, Rabel registered at ten percent in the first poll.

Articulate as ever, Rabel chastises both the Republican candidate, Alex Mooney and the Democrat Nick Casey, as being “in the pockets of coal, chemical and natural gas corporations,” that have polluted, ravaged and exploited West Virginians and turned their natural resource-endowed state into what is called “a rich state with poor people.”

He emphasizes that coal companies “provide less than 6% of incomes and less than 3% of jobs” in West Virginia.

Rabel has diagnosed the state’s economic, political and environmental ills through vivid descriptions rooted in irrefutable facts wrapped with irresistible rhetoric.

He shatters the myths that have kept the state in corporate servitude, saying: “In fact, the policies that would create sustained economic growth in West Virginia would also help families and improve healthcare and the environment. But, driven by the falsehoods, Republicans and Democrats want to slash spending where it hurts West Virginia most and change tax laws in ways that help West Virginia least.”

He means that taxes should be used for the necessities of the citizenry – education, health, safety and public works. Restoring the federal minimum wage to over $10 per hour (catching up with inflation since 1968) would also reduce the burdens on taxpayer-funded social services, he adds.

In upending the state’s political censorship, Ed Rabel is calling for “a moratorium on mountaintop removal and hydraulic fracturing because of the threats they pose to the people of the state.” (For more specifics about Rabel’s practical and humane agenda see his website at rabelforcongress.com.)

Up in the North Country of New York State is “democracy’s baker,” Green Party candidate Matt Funiciello, whose progressive civic activism and generosity are legion. Having known him for years, I gave him that description.

There are four reasons why Funiciello has shined in his early debates with Republican Elise Stefanik (a veteran staffer for George W. Bush and Congressman Paul Ryan) and Democratic Aaron Woolf, who until now has lived most of the time in Brooklyn.

Reason one is that he is well-read.

Reason two is that he is an independent thinker.

Reason three is that he listens to people and understands their needs for a just society.

Reason four is that he understands that, while baking millions of loaves of varied breads, “man does not live by bread alone.” He has a sparkling, congenial personality, grounded in serious determination to do something in Washington, DC about the downward drift of our country and neglect of its people – who do the daily work and have to pay all the bills.

The 21st Congressional District, which includes the entire giant Adirondack Park, historically has sent both Democratic and Republican candidates to Congress. It is not a one-party-dominated District. It has a tradition of agreeing to public candidate debates, unlike the 2ndDistrict in West Virginia which shuts out third party participation.

So voters, who take notice, will hear Matt Funiciello press for more efficient single-payer universal health care, restored wages, revival of local agricultural production and family farms. He opposes corporate welfare and hydrofracking and has unfurled the banner of progressive taxation, providing more income tax relief for workers by ending tax escapes for the big corporations and the wealthy.

Being a small businessman himself – Funiciello also owns a popular restaurant – he speaks the language of community-owned economies and self-reliance. He also walks the talk, by buying New York State wheat for most of his breads.

“Democracy’s baker” argues for electoral reforms that will give voters more voices and choices on the ballot beyond the dreary clichés and forked tongue bloviating of the two-party tyranny (see mattfunicielloforcongress.org and follow @MFuniciello2014 on Twitter.)

Now, here is the rub. Will active progressives and their media rally behind and work with Ed Rabel and Matt Funiciello and their grassroots campaigns for these open seats in Congress?

Or will they continue their electoral servitude and not start making a difference?

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

It's right that ''while baking millions of loaves of varied breads, “man does not live by bread alone.” and that ''taxes should be used for the necessities of the citizenry – education, health, safety and public works. Restoring the federal minimum wage to over $10 per hour (catching up with inflation since 1968) would also reduce the burdens on taxpayer-funded social services.'' - from your excellent forum-post & in compliment, I append :

Why is it that only those from wealthy backgrounds are able to become presidential candidates in the US ?! Why is it that the US not only champions democracy but also champions extreme individualism and unbridled capitalism and has strongly opposed any form of socialism (which just might spread the benefits of development more widely among people) ?!! Why is it that America's wealthy elites are able to exert such strong influence on political elections and economic decisions ?!!! WTF .. is going on ?!!!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

leonard cohen - nice job

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

You like Leonard Cohen ? Well (sadly) .. ''I've seen 'The Future' and its murder'' :

prospice et caveat ...

[-] 3 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

doesn't everyone like him? had a swedish girlfriend in the early 80's who was a big fan and got me hooked - her dad was ceo of volvo north america! she spoke 4 languages fluently and became a simultaneous translator for the eu - run over by a tram a few years ago - ok sorry for all that info but leonard triggered the memory

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Sad story and also by Leonard Cohen :

D'you reckon he's singing / saying : ''I've seen the future and its murder'' OR ''I've seen the future and it's murder'' ?! Also sadly fyi :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 5 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

israel is a disgrace - very sad way it turned out for that nation but we here in the "land of the free" have to take much of the blame for allowing our gov't to help create this situation. just sent this quote to someone and it come to mind too often - it is appropriate almost every day of the year

  • "your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mock; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy - a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of these United States at this very hour"....................or maybe this little gem -"Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the old world, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me, that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.
[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

The phrase 'Rogue State' comes to mind & the periodic destruction of Gaza is a collective punishment for having the temerity to exist and not to capitulate. The Zionist Apartheid Entity is now out of control, in denial & infuriated that Palestinians will not just roll over & surrender tho' a ground invasion will be a slaughter. Thanx for your comment and I'd very strongly recommend the following short videos to you :

Increasingly, Israel's own actions for nearly 7 decades precludes the possibility of Two States so what else is there but the South African Paradigm as the whole world looks on aghast .. once again ? siiigh. Also fyi, some long forgotten if not hidden, history :

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin formed 'Hamas' as the military arm of his Islamic Association, which had been licensed by Israel ten years earlier According to Charles Freeman, a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.” ['Counterpunch' ... 1/18/2003 ; R. Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 191, 208]

Anthony Cordesman, a Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies, states that Israel “aided Hamas directly - the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO.” A former senior CIA official speaking to UPI describes Israel’s support for Hamas as “a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative.”

Further, according to an unnamed US government official, “the thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the other groups, if they gained control, would refuse to have anything to do with the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place.”

Larry Johnson, a counterterrorism official at the State Department, stated : “The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.”

From : http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_202704#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_202704

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6765) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

The blind as bat and dumb as dirt Ralph Nader that try as he might could find NO DIFFERENCE between Al Gore and W Bush now wants us to believe he has opened his eyes and can now see important stuff? Imagine if he had supported Gore and the debt was paid in full by 2010, no Iraq War and no CU ruling that would be real change, ego driven blind fools like Nader only care for themselves.

Before you guys go off saying I'm blaming Nader for what Bush did, no that's not it I blame Nader for not being able to see the difference, something he freely admits to and continues to this day, I simply say Nader is blind or stupid or a liar those are the things I blame him for.

The only reason OWS has not had more impact on the primaries is because they chose not to, encourged by people like the poster flip and shadz, there was a time OWS could have taken over the D's but everyone wanted to steal off the energy for their own little thing instead of being part of something huge.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

So OWS should endorse Hitlary in your book, right ?!!! If you've got something to say - man up and say it straight btw !! LOL !

Come 2016, Hitlary will be the Democrat contender for the position of teleprompter reader and Jeb Bush will probably be the b-s, Republican choice to play the political equivalent of musical chairs as the ruling 0.01% Parasite Class has already decided that it wants to stick with the Bush-Clinton dynasty for the immediate foreseeable future !!

So perhaps consider waking up and do stop pandering to demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy and pretending that just voting is going to change things somehow. It won't. But still has to be done. But ONLY a 99% Movement & Struggle will do that. Fuk all that is good and lasting or sustainable will come from 'above' as ever as it can only come from 'below' !!!

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

If OWS endorses anyone - it should be Bernie Sanders.

[-] 1 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

maybe lizzie warren? bernie voted for the iraq war and them there is this - "This is not the first time Sanders has supported America’s wars. For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can remember Bernie’s staunch support for Clinton’s 100-day bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo in 1999. I served as a support person for a dozen or so Vermonters who sat-in in his Burlington office a couple weeks into that war. Not only did Sanders refuse to talk with us via telephone (unlike his Vermont counterparts in the Senate-Leahy and Jeffords), he had his staff call the local police to arrest those who refused to leave until Sanders spoke with them. The following week Sanders held a “town meeting” in Montpelier, VT., where he surrounded himself with sympathetic war supporters and one university professor who opposed the war and Bernie’s support for it. During the question and answer part of the meeting, Sanders yelled at two of the audience’s most vocal opponents to his position and told them to leave if they didn’t like what he had to say. They chose to remain and point out that Bernie’s style of democracy seemed awfully authoritarian.

After the bombing of Yugoslavia had ended and the US plan to Balkanize the Balkans neared its completion, I received many emails and calls regarding our sit-in at Bernie’s office and opposition to his politics of war. Most of these messages came from outside of Vermont and considered what we did to be counterproductive. After all, the messages stated, Sanders went to Chiapas to support the Zapatistas and he’s against the various free trade agreements and the WTO. He’s more of an ally than a foe, isn’t he?

My answer to these challenges is that I’m not sure. So called progressive politicians who do not draw the link between corporate America’s wars and its attack on social security, health care, the minimum wage, forty- hour work week, and other issues working people consider important are doing us a disservice. The wars fought by the US military are ultimately fought for one reason only–to maintain and expand the power of corporate America at the expense of workers and the poor around the world. Didn’t neoliberal writer Thomas Friedman write, “McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the builder of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force Navy and Marine Corps.”

As the reader can tell, Friedman thinks this is a good thing. Judging from Bernie’s support for the current war on Iraq, the sanctions against that country, and his support for previous US adventures in Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, one wonders if Sanders thinks so, too. Is this what progressives want to support? If not, I urge you to send Sanders a letter opposing his war support (no matter how lukewarm it might be) instead of a donation the next time you get a mailing in his name. Perhaps he will listen and mount a movement in Congress to end funding for the folly in Iraq. After all, in his letter to me, he wrote: “Please be assured that I will remain a strong voice for peace during these difficult times.” Leading a congressional movement that calls for an immediate ceasefire and refuses to fund Bush and Rumsfeld’s folly in Iraq is a good place to use that voice.

RON JACOBS is author of The Way the Wind Blew: a history of the Weather Underground.

He can be reached at: rjacobs@zoo.uvm.edu

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Sanders has been in that spot for a long time because he knows how to toe that line. I don't think he's interested in running, and who could blame him. Look how Nader is still attacked for trying to give us some real options. The amount of bashing that Jill, Rocky and Gary Johnson took last year- personal attacks about their motives, their smarts, etc- doesnt really help to move the ball forward in terms of people willing to stand up and get involved.

Even on here, which is suppose to be at the forefront of movement, anyone outside of the big two gets hammered by the squeaky wheels on both sides of the establishment.

If he was really aggressive and outspoken, he'd get the Anthony Weiner treatment.

EW has voted for some much horrific stuff, and is so tied to the financial industry its not even funny. She's a former Republican who switched sides because Republicans didnt support "free markets"... whatever the hell that means.

Bottom line: Its past the filing deadlines for most states, and we the people have developed next to 0 candidates to run. Almost none. A nation of 300 million people has decided to sit out another election.

Once the filing deadline has passed, its all establishment candidates going forward.

Not trying to be a downer, just saying that until the nation decides to wake up- a LOT more than it currently has- than we can expect to watch again another "most important election" and watch a small fraction on each side attack each other ruthlessly, attack anyone against them, and meanwhile the elites sit back and laugh.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago
[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

What his vote on the attack on Libya? Or the attacks on Yemen? Or the attack -yes, deploying special ops into a country is an attack- on Iraq all over again? Oh ya, we dont vote on those types of things anymore.

I loved his vote against the attack on Afghanistan after a bunch of Saudis attacked us... Oh ya, that didnt happen.

Or the Kosovo bombing? Well, that was Clinton and he made Wall St boom so who cares.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Please attach the links of Bernie showing support for war - in context if you can manage.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

So you present an opinion piece. Don't have anything direct from Bernie?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Its very tough to defend anyone whose popular in politics because if they are popular that means they have been there for a minute, which means they have shown they are willing to play along.

Cant affect change if ya lose your job, and can't have a job if you move against the machine.

Great system, eh?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Here's your Kosovo vote, the one led by Joe Biden. Guess he earned his spot as VP right there...

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/h103

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/03/31/bernie-sanders-hedging-his-bets/

Would you like links the actual votes that are in question here?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

September 14 2001 - huh go figure that someone would vote to authorize the president to take action against the criminals.

Now - You got anything from Bernie as to why He voted yes on that?

This also does not go to the following misuse of authorization.

[-] 3 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

hey i didn't mean to get anyone too fired up here. there is much written about benie and the military. i am not too much interested in it - i think he is one of the best we have. that said we should all have our eyes open - i can do some more looking if you really want to continue. i do disagree with your thought of action against criminals - i assume you know the history of that period. kind of like bombing buffalo for timothy mcveigh

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

"One of the best" -yes. Capable of creating any real meaningful change in this system, if given the chance- (which if he was he would have just ran as an indie in 2012 while watching half the middle east be blown to shit) - would achieve it?

I want the people in charge who aren't allowed in charge. The rabble rousers, the trouble makers, the questioners and the thinkers.

Basically I want the opposite of what we have right now.

[-] 4 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

agreed - here is howard zinn with much the same idea - “I start from the supposition that the world is topsy turvy. That things are all wrong. That the wrong people are in jail, and the wrong people are out of jail. That the wrong people are in power, and the wrong people are out of power. I start with the supposition that we don’t have to say too much about this because all we have to do is think about the state of the world today and realize that things are all upside down.”

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

It went stray? Giving the Bush guys a blank check didnt work out? How shocking.

The "why" is just for people to feel better about it, "well, ya know.. , ho hum la la la..."

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Sit & Spin - It's what you do - so - just - Sit & Spin

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Don't like looking at the actual votes?

The loyalists for each side will always find a reason to be loyal. Otherwise its a cold reality that most dont want to admit they were played.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Don't like dealing with the realities of what prompted certain votes?

You bet criminal actions were taken = people were played.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Yes, people were played. Full grown adults. If me as a 20 year old was looking at that and saying "Wtf are you doing!!" then either anyone who got played- as a full grown adult and familiar with the system- was either complacent, too incompetent to lead, or didnt feel like standing up against it.

No one with half a brain thought it was a good idea to give all that authority to bomb whoever only 3 days after it except the irrational and the politicians.

What happens next time some random shit hits the fan? Is he just gonna hop in bed with whoever is in power and off they go? I mean, wtf was that?! Really?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

I do appreciate the debate though as it has been pretty civil except for the asshole comment. Civil political debate is hard to find these days, almost as if some centralized power wants it that way .... hmmmm ?? :)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[ edit ] Not a centralized power "edit->" but a pinnacle of the pyramid position of power - it mostly operates very openly out of a far right position - but tries to own it all = left right center - for some reason that position ( far right ) is more open to manipulation/domination by the wealthy.

Here is some more of their crap:

This July 4th weekend, millions of Americans used highways to visit friends and family. Maybe you were one of them.

On your way home, you weren't worried that the you'd spin out on a giant crack in the interstate. That's because federal government helps fund repairs and upgrades. No responsible politician would let the highway fund go broke.

Yet that's exactly what conservatives are doing. They've blocked the highway bill unless we give a tax amnesty to a handful of corporations that stashed profits overseas.

That's unfair to those of you who paid your share. Worse, blocking the highway fund will put millions in danger and cost an estimated 700,000 jobs.

The only reason conservatives do this is that they think they can get away with it. Can you contribute a few dollars to help put a stop to this extortion?

Robert Borosage

© 2013 Campaign for America's Future Inc. 1825 K Street, NW, Suite 400, Washington, DC 20006

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

You "may" appreciate debate - but you aren't very good at it - hell most of the time you sound just like those in office that claim to represent republicans = blame the other guy for the things that they themselves did.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

? huh?

Well, Bernie has voted for war, you can do whatever you want with it at that point. I thought everyone knew this, I guess not. If it makes you feel better, "you win" there ya go.

And there is a big difference between opting out of the political system as it stands now and dropping out of everything alltogether, again, something I thought everyone knew but you and your semantics as usual need everything explained thoroughly.

Bernie voted for war, lots of occupy is anarchist or just hates this system, and thats that.

They put that in bold "this is not an Occupy political party. " because they dont want people going around stating "yah! an occupy party!"

Ok?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

You are gonna jump on a guy for supporting the troops that the USA sent into harms way ( he voted against that = the original plans to invade ) - instead of voting to abandon them ( the troops were already there against his wishes and original vote ) ? - the troops were already there and some members of government were playing budgetary games that threatened to abandon our troops while they were still in the field.

Ummmmm - sorry but standing up for the men and women that were committed to that war by individuals who were then threatening to leave them out there without support - IS NOT supporting the war - It IS supporting our men and women who were sent there over his objections to the action.

An Excerpt from your article :

Indeed, many of those congressmembers who voted for the this resolution and the war represent districts where the sentiment continues to be against the current violence in the Gulf region. Perhaps nowhere was this more apparent than in Vermont, which is represented by its lone “independent” representative, Bernard Sanders .

Upon receiving notice of Sanders vote, I immediately called his office and registered my dismay. Within days, I received a letter from the office wherein Sanders reminded me that he voted against the October 2002 resolution granting GW Bush authority to use whatever force it required to take over Iraq. He wrote that he believes history will prove this to have been the correct vote. Further to his credit, before Sanders cast a yes vote for the most recent resolution, he entered a short speech into the Congressional Record decrying the partisan nature of the resolution. He went on to state further that he did not support the Bush administration’s policies that “led us to where we are today.” After stating his support for the UN inspections regime and reminding the House of the “phenomenon of blow-back,” Sanders attacked the GOP leadership for cutting veteran’s benefits in the same session they voted to create more veterans.


Ya wanna try again with something valid - now?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

That is valid, sorry you dont like it. A vote for money for war is a vote for war. If everone votes no on the funding they all come home. Done deal. Duh.

Care to address the Kosovo or Afghan debacles?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[ edit ] How do they come home if there is no funding for it? If there is no order to withdraw? ANSWER = They don't come home - they sit in Purgatory waiting for support - support to go home or support to stay alive where they currently are and until the order is received to withdraw. The thing is - money/funds would have been needed to be approved to bring those troops home - and That was not the game that was being played.

edit -> Silly me - they ( the troops - um - how many at the time? ) - should have just gone AWOL and hopped on one of the hundreds of thousands of parked and waiting troop transport planes and told the pilots = home james.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Here, please read this before throwing around the name like you own it:

http://www.afterpartyusa.org/news/2014/4/19/the-after-party-occupy-wall-street

Not everyting is all or nothing, black or white, left vs right there DKA.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

excerpt: The After Party National Steering Committee was formed in late 2013 by a diverse group of social justice activists, many of whom were inspired and deeply involved in the Occupy Wall Street movement.

excerpt : We have all been changed by OWS, and the Occupy movement inspired us to change the system from both the inside and the outside.

excerpt: We intend to make it possible for more and more people to engage in positive action to build that better world in the shell of the old one. We don't speak for OWS, but courageously with it.


So while it is not a party established by OWS - it is a party established due to OWS.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

"Bullshit - that's what I think - there is a certain element in society that would love to see the people bail totally out of the process of government - you can recognize em fairly easily -"

Ya, a lot of them helped start the movement and the site you are on right now there big guy.

You wanted proof that Bernies anti-war past is checkered and you got it. I'd support him if he ran, just dont expect a lot to change if his past voting history is any kind of a tell.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Ya, a lot of them helped start the movement and the site you are on right now there big guy.

Oh - really? Is that why there is now an occupy party? Because occupy wanted everyone to drop out?

You are so full of shit.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Ya got nothing - you presented nothing - it's what you do.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

"Is that why there is now an occupy party?"

Not exactly the same as inspired by there DKA, you know what Im saying. Who wasnt inspired by it? Sawant credits her SocialistAlternative Party to it as well, along with others.

They all go out of their way to make sure they are not "an occupy party" because they get it.

You will find Greens and Socialist Workers Parties all siting it as motivation as well. The thing is, as political "parties" they will never be able to achieve that because parties are just too limiting, they are too static, and they are just not diverse enough.

Plus, they are parties. Anyone who can tolerate those freaks on CSPAN has my sympathies.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

And you continue with your attempt to misdirect - OWS and Occupy were never about dropping out - nope - OWS and Occupy is and has always been about = GETTING INVOLVED to make a difference.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Hey, you are either writing the warmongers a check or you aren't.

Turning it into an anti-patriotic thing is straight outta gov propaganda 101. In a time of war, you are with the country or not. There is no other alternative.

Im just trying to show you that he was all for giving the Bush guys the green light, has funded lord only knows how many DOD bills since, and the Kosovo thing before all of that.

There is theory that each side has to make sure there is at least one or two hopeful personalities in the ranks, in order to maintain public participation, otherwise the entire thing goes to shit because the people bail and the system falls apart.

What do you think about that?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Hey, you are either writing the warmongers a check or you aren't.

Spin it asshole - keep on spinning it.

What do you think about that?

Bullshit - that's what I think - there is a certain element in society that would love to see the people bail totally out of the process of government - you can recognize em fairly easily - they are the ones who push for war or any sort of armed conflict while at the same time pushing for abandoning our injured vets when they return home - they are also the ones pushing for public austerity while at the same time pushing for largess to be ( increased ) given to the wealthiest.........and on and on and on and on and on

[-] 0 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

this guy says yes he did - The US House of Representatives recently voted to endorse Bush and Rumsfeld’s war on Iraq. They did this under the guise of a bill nominally supporting the troops that, in reality, endorses Bush’s decision to invade and occupy Iraq. Only 11 congresspeople voted against the bill and 22 stood aside. The rest of the so-called representatives of the people outdid many of their constituencies in their unabashed support for America’s latest imperial war. Indeed, many of those congressmembers who voted for the this resolution and the war represent districts where the sentiment continues to be against the current violence in the Gulf region. Perhaps nowhere was this more apparent than in Vermont, which is represented by its lone “independent” representative, Bernard Sanders .

Upon receiving notice of Sanders vote, I immediately called his office and registered my dismay. Within days, I received a letter from the office wherein Sanders reminded me that he voted against the October 2002 resolution granting GW Bush authority to use whatever force it required to take over Iraq. He wrote that he believes history will prove this to have been the correct vote. Further to his credit, before Sanders cast a yes vote for the most recent resolution, he entered a short speech into the Congressional Record decrying the partisan nature of the resolution. He went on to state further that he did not support the Bush administration’s policies that “led us to where we are today.” After stating his support for the UN inspections regime and reminding the House of the “phenomenon of blow-back,” Sanders attacked the GOP leadership for cutting veteran’s benefits in the same session they voted to create more veterans.

There seems to be some kind of contradiction here. Sanders may have voted against the budget that cut these veteran’s benefits, but by voting to support Bush’s war (no matter how much he protested it), history will most likely judge him to have sided with that leadership. Like a baseball line score, when one looks back at a legislator’s voting record, s/he only sees the “yay” or the “nay.” There is no play-by-play account–your team either has the winning score or the losing score. No details are provided about runners on third who got thrown out at the plate or an incredible pitching performance. Likewise, when history looks back on Bernie’s vote for this resolution, they will see that he cast his lot with the GOP hawks, and not the Democrats and others who voted against the bill, despite their support for the human beings wearing America’s uniform in Iraq.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[ edit ] I like Bernie Sanders:

The great issue of our time is whether the American people will be successful in defeating the efforts of the billionaire class which seeks to move our country into an oligarchic form of society in which a handful of super-wealthy families control the economic and political life of this nation.

The Koch brothers, right-wing extremists who are now worth some $80 billion dollars, are prepared to spend as much as it takes to create an America in their vision. And what is that vision? The elimination of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, federal aid to education, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the concept of the minimum wage. Meanwhile, of course, they want more tax breaks for corporations and the rich.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney each spent a little more than $1 billion in their presidential races. As a result of the disastrous Citizen's United Supreme Court ruling, the Koch brothers and their shadow money group, Americans for Prosperity, spent $412 million—and that figure is only going to rise in the months and years to come. Incredibly, the Koch Brothers and their allies have amassed power that rivals either political party.

That is not what America is supposed to be about.

Will you join me and MoveOn's Anna Galland on an important call this Wednesday, July 9, at 8:30 p.m. ET (7:30 p.m. CT/6:30 p.m. MT/5:30 p.m. PT) to talk about the strategies we can use to shine a spotlight on the Koch brothers' actions?

Yes! I'm signing up and I have a question to ask you, Senator. [Important to note: You have until 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, July 9 to sign up.]

Our job is to strengthen our democratic foundations, not eviscerate them. Our job is to expand the middle-class and eliminate poverty, not create more income and wealth inequality. Our job is to reverse global warming, not increase fossil fuel production. The truth is that while the Koch brothers and their allies have unlimited sums of money at their disposal, there are real limits to what they can accomplish—only if we are smart and well organized in our opposition. On issue after issue, the vast majority of Americans agree with our views—not right-wing extremism.

Will you join me and MoveOn's Anna Galland on a strategy conference call this Wednesday, July 9 to shine a spotlight on the Koch brothers' political activity and discuss how we can defeat them?

Yes. I'm joining the call.

We'll be laying out our plans for 2014 to counter the unlimited resources of the Koch brothers and their right-wing allies—and we need your support. If the Koch brothers succeed in winning control of the U.S. Senate this November, it will be a disaster for the future of our country. We must act and we must act now. You have got to be a part of that fight.

I'm looking forward to Wednesday's call. The future of our country is at stake. Let's go forward together.

Thanks for all you do. –Senator Bernie Sanders


edit-> I submitted this question:

Senator - Will you run for the office of President ( I hope so ) - if you do - you know that you will need good people in other positions in government = advisers and such - BUT also in the senate and congress - So how do you intend to support good people in all 50 states to get them into office ( in state government as well as federal government ) to forward healthy growth/policies and who would you put in important posts?

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

''The Koch brothers, right-wing extremists who are now worth some $80 billion dollars, are prepared to spend as much as it takes to create an America in their vision. And what is that vision? The elimination of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, federal aid to education, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the concept of the minimum wage. Meanwhile, of course, they want more tax breaks for corporations and the rich.

''In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney each spent a little more than $1 billion in their presidential races. As a result of the disastrous Citizen's United Supreme Court ruling, the Koch brothers and their shadow money group, Americans for Prosperity, spent $412 million—and that figure is only going to rise in the months and years to come. Incredibly, the Koch Brothers and their allies have amassed power that rivals either political party.

''That is not what America is supposed to be about.'' Repeated because it bears repeating & I append :

solidaridad ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Major amounts of toxic money has been losing election races recently - could it be a sign of an awakening public? - but we still need good people to place in office - not votes for more of the same from an unknown = disgust vote against the professional politician - we need real alternatives for office - people who are actually for health and prosperity for all. Health and prosperity for all needs an overwhelming majority to be in office so that needed change can begin.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Re. ''we need real alternatives for office'' .. amen DKAt & that's why OWS came to be.

Nothing will come from on high & as Frederick Douglass said ''Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will''.

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

that's why OWS came to be.

Absolutely - to awaken the public and to educate the public - it is issues - it is not individuals - it is action - it is not words - and the public must begin to act = NOW

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Amen once again and a very strong recommendation for this article :

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

From the article:

"What's the effective rate I've been paying? It's probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything." Mitt Romney made national news with that statement during the 2012 presidential election, since it meant he paid a lower effective tax rate than many middle-class Americans. The simple reason for his low tax bill? The tax code's special treatment of investment income."

And that Abomination was Backed by many ordinary people in his run for office Makes me want to puke every time I consider it.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Yet Romoney was a POTUS candidate in The U$A !!! The ''Abomination'' and it's backing by ''ordinary people'' is only possible because we all live in Corporate Controlled Pseudo-Democracies in USUK & elsewhere !! The 2008 GFC was a symptom of the B-S .. NOT it's cause ! Also fyi but try not to puke :

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[ edit ] It's been a tough go - slogging along uphill in deep mud the last couple of years - but education does seem to be filtering into the public's conscious thoughts. Note all of the panicked fossil fuel propaganda for one - trying to put the public back to sleep. edit -> Also take note of wallfart's blitz of public relations propaganda ( th fuckers ). And yet public outcry has not been reduced not in either case not decreased protest against fossil fuel and not decreased protest against the waltons.

It is about time ( and long past time ) that the public began disregarding the bullshit propaganda of the greedy and power hungry.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

That's the nature of The 99% Struggle bro', two steps forward and three steps back .. until a 'Giant Leap Forward' becomes inevitable !!! But yes DKAt ... there is An Awakening !! Slowly - but it's there for sure !

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Another front - toxic food practices - and the increasing illness disease and death from it.

Yes there are a myriad number of toxic practices that are finally really getting proper public attention.

The insanity of all toxic practices must end.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Re. Monsatan, Resistance Is Fertile !!! People are getting hip to their Monopolistic Corporate B-S !! Not just in Europe & North America either !

solidaridad siempre amigo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

World wide resistance is needed and is growing - a very hopeful sign for the future - if - we can accelerate our pace.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Its happening its just happening really slow and personally I dont think its happening fast enough. Looking at it like a 2 steps backwards, 1 step forward scenario.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

It seems like it is happening slowly - it at times seems like two steps back for each step taken forward - this is because the issues we face are huge in size and huge in number (variety) and - They - Are - All - RELATED - to a central issue of GREED - The - Greed - Of - and the - Actions - Of - the very FEW.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

HuH - well I suppose everyone who submitted a question got an automated call stating that they would be called during the program - but - huh - it's a 1st for me.

http://moveon.org/pac/kochbros/Sanders_signup_final.html?id=98205-23748677-ALzJjVx&t=5

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

I also submitted this:

We both know that the government is broken.

We need legislation passed - like ;

One subject at a time legislation

corp(se)0RATions are not people

Tax reform = stop bleeding the population white and start proper taxation of the wealthy and wealthy corp(se)oRATions stop subsidies to fossil fuel as the successful should not be receiving public monies to add to their profits. Tax the wall street hyper trading activities/transactions.

Stop Quantitative easing ( qweasing - as it makes me sick ) as it does not work = put money into the economy. What it does is pour money out onto the ground because wall street is not the economy but at best is just a reflection of the economy. 85 Billion per month would be better used to rebuild our infrastructure - and - that should start with upgrading our electrical grid and power generation with clean energy alternatives = wind power and solar power but also power storage/distribution using liquid metal batteries ( reduces power surges/drain with power being drawn off of the batteries while - if needed power production ramps up ) we need to implement hydrogen power cell technology for transportation for industry for power generating utilities for private as well as public use.

Oil and gas extraction needs to be reduced/eliminated and the active as well as abandoned wells need to capture the methane gas that is 90 times worse a green house gas than is CO2 and is currently being allowed to escape freely from these sources ( hundreds of thousands of wells in the USA alone ). Fracking needs to be ended for the destruction it does to our aquifers as well as to our soil and air.

Transitioning off of fossil fuel is the largest need to our future survival - it needs to be done ASAP.

So we need to stop Qweasing and shift it over to Quantitative Improvements - which could be our 21st century public works and economic recovery program.

The president ( as you and I both know ) can not make these things happen by his/her self. This takes a strongly committed government ( state and federal ) it needs people in the senate and congress to act together for the health of our citizens the health of our economy and the health of our environment ( world wide ).

How do we approach this? I feel we need more good people in office such as your self. To get there I feel we need to educate the public as to who is trying to support them and who is failing to support them. Those who are supporting need to be named. Those who are not supporting a healthy government country world also need to be named and their actions that hurt need to be called out - so that the public at large gets an education of who is working for them and who is working against them. The things that this country needs to focus on and get accomplished need to be presented to the public non-stop and those who support and those who oppose need to be pointed out. The oath of office needs to be given teeth - so that those in office who fail to support the people/country need to be able to be replaced/fired expediently by the public who they are failing to represent.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Would be nice to think that not everyone gets the automated call stating that they will be called during the program - I would like to imagine that the call was issued in response to this submission:

https://occupywallst.org/forum/ralph-nader-is-on-the-money-as-usual/#comment-1037245

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27667) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

DKAtoday @DKAtoday · 5s

Do you want to be a part of the conversation? https://occupywallst.org/forum/ralph-nader-is-on-the-money-as-usual/#comment-1037244 … For a healthy government that works for a healthy country & world.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6765) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

Each person within OWS should find someone in the primary they support or work to draft someone. Then show up and fight for progressive positions after the primaries work like hell to defeat the GOP I have been very consistent on this, you try and build strawmen so you have something to attack, I find plenty of real enmies and have no need for strawmen.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Hitlary is preferable because The 0.01% Parasite Class (aka 'The Elite') are very keen on making sure that any and all criticism and political activism is either marginalized or written off as 'hatred' and thus not only dismissible but also be worthy of a violent response by government.Criticism of Hitlary will be deemed sexist the same way serious criticism of Obama is now considered racist but The Autocratic Plutocracy and Pseudo-Democratic hegemonic charade will just keep rolling on .. ''strawmen'' n' all !!!

caveat ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

"or work to draft someone"

One of the toughest jobs in campaign organizing. Give it a shot and let me know the response you get.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6765) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

My position is that Nader who could find no difference between Gore and Bush is blind as bat or dumb as dirt, do we agree on that? or do you find falut with that position?

and Hillary is certainly better than any Repubilcan, (BTW your childish misspelling is in classic con form, a tell to your true roots)

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 month ago

Your Nader obsession is as much revealing as it is amusing ! The Gore / Bush election was stolen ... I know it ; you know ; James fkn Baker knows it ; squillions of other folk know it & Al (WASP, Patrician, 0.01%er) Gore knows it !! Given your line of 'thought' tho', there would ONLY EVER be D&R for USers to choose from ... and thAt is a ''con form'' position - if ever there was one .. especially on a OWS forum !!!

Re. your dream, POTUS pin up gal, HC - have you got the nuts to watch this ... or are they too numb ?

bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem ...

(it's not goodness to be better than the worst)

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

"Better" is a relative term.

There are certainly differences. Its just that having to pick a 1 vs a 2 when there are plenty of 7's and 8's out there sucks.

You certainly don't date with that strategy, do you?

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[-] 1 points by flip (6868) 1 month ago

first of all ows is working for the 99% not the democratic party - you can if you like. we here do not believe in that party - we are a group of radicals not mainstream party hacks. now this is a question of tactics not strategy or facts. you seem to think you know the best way forward - well fine go that way. those of us who are older and have heard this line too many times before don't buy it. so stop beating that same drum and get on with your electoral work - we have bigger fish to fry! - CORNEL WEST: It’s so very kind of you to have me, Amy. And I do want to say that there’s thousands of us who deeply appreciate the quality of your contribution to the democratic discourse in this nation. And there’s thousands of us who stand with you in whatever situation, context, you find yourself. You have been indispensable and quite valuable to our struggle.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, thank you very much. The situation I may find myself in right now, actually, is yesterday the White House called after my interview with President Clinton and said, well, had all sorts of veiled threats about that conversation. And we’ll see what happens. I asked if they’re blacklisting me from the White House. And after a heated argument, they seemed to be stepping back from that. But it is a very serious issue when you get to interview the President of the United States, to be then threatened by the most powerful center in the world is a serious issue.

CORNEL WEST: And at the same time, you mentioned Brother Ralph Nader, you’re seeing the same thing. You know, it’s ridiculous, pathetic, this kind of scapegoating among Democrats. You have Al Gore, that can’t cover — that can’t win his own state, and Nader gets 1% of the vote in Tennessee. He can’t even win Arkansas, Clinton’s own state. Nader gets 1%. But they don’t talk about that. No, they want to scapegoat him on other issues. Oregon, Florida, so I think it’s ridiculous. Liberalism is in deep decay.

And the democracy was in decay before the election, in terms of the corporate-driven party politics and the limited choices that people make. And, of course, the vast majority of Americans who can vote still didn’t vote. That’s another sign of the decline and decay. So this kind of scapegoating among frightened liberals is just a sign of the disrepair of liberalism as a whole.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, let’s look at Florida. You have Bush, at least at this point, around 2,900 votes, 2,909,000, Gore at 2,907,000 and some. They’re all around — they’re around 49% each. And then you have Nader almost at 100,000. That would certainly make the difference.

CORNEL WEST: Which means if Gore had spoke to the issues — I mean, it’s commercial airports — why didn’t he speak against it? That’s what Nader did. Why didn’t he speak to the situation of more of the working people there? I mean, Gore wants to fake left, go right and still win. Well, you can’t do that. You have to speak your mind, see what people — see the direction that people go. I mean, and so that this notion of somehow Gore has some ipso facto entitlement to votes is the most anti-democratic notion I could think of. But it’s a typical move of scapegoating the most vulnerable, rather than confronting the most powerful. The most powerful in this case happened to be Gore and his lieutenants. And they did not run the kind of race, such that we find ourself in this situation.

AMY GOODMAN: What about this issue of voter fraud or voter irregularities that we’re now hearing focused on really for the first time in Florida in a major mainstream way?

CORNEL WEST: Well, I mean, one, I think they have to close ranks on that in that regard. And that’s why I would be with Jesse Jackson and others. But at the same time, I mean, you got voter irregularities going on across the nation, especially in black and brown poor communities. This is not the first time this surfaces, although I think we get attention focused in this way, owing to the fact that Florida now is going to tip it one way or the other. But this kind of thing, of course, is, I think, much more systemic. It’s just that it doesn’t surface. It only surfaces in certain contexts. But as I said before, I mean, indicated before the election, and the election is just another example of just how narrow the corporate party politics actually is in America.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Harvard University Professor Cornel West, his latest book, The African American Century: How Black Americans Have Shaped Our Country. What about African American participation in this election?

CORNEL WEST: Well, I mean, one, it’s been quite extraordinary. You got 90% of black people supporting Gore. Only 8% supporting Bush. It was a sign of the mainstream black leadership galvanizing and mobilizing black people to vote for Gore. I’m very critical of that black leadership. I think it’s too narrow. It’s much too myopic, much too shortsighted. Gore, pro-death penalty, pro-military, no word about the criminal justice system, no focus on the prison system, no talk about the wealth inequality that’s growing, that’s escalating. It’s — you get a black voting participation following the entrenched black leadership, and for the most part, I think that black folk, black community has really not received what it ought from the Democratic Party and especially Gore leadership.

AMY GOODMAN: Where is the leadership?

CORNEL WEST: Right now, they’re in the hip pocket of Gore. The black professionals, the black politicians are tied to a patronage system: the Democratic Party. And when you look at the — look at it this way, that Gore could not mention poor people, but 42% of black children are poor. Black leadership is supposed to speak to the situation of black folk. And yet you have a candidate that can’t even mention the condition of 42% of our children. And that’s true, of course, for brown children, red children, and 21% of all American children across color. So, I mean, I think we’ve got some real debating to do in terms of relation of black leadership and the Gore campaign.

AMY GOODMAN: Yesterday, I got a chance to ask President Clinton about why he hasn’t issued an executive order against racial profiling. I know Gore has said that if he were president, it would be one of his first acts, but they’ve been in power for eight years.

CORNEL WEST: It’s ridiculous. If it wasn’t for the Bill Bradley campaign, Gore wouldn’t say that. If it wasn’t for the Bill Bradley campaign, Clinton wouldn’t say that. And, of course, if it wasn’t for Al Sharpton and a whole host of other activists, you wouldn’t even have racial profiling as a major issue in national discourse.

So, I mean, here you got Bill Clinton that claims to have this special intimate relationship to black community and hasn’t issued a executive order that has to do with banning racial profiling, the most basic right, which is arbitrary use of power, police power against black people? It’s another sign, I think, of just how marginal the interests of black community actually is when it comes to working poor and poor people.

For black professionals and black middle class, the Clinton administration has been wonderful; for the black poor and black working class, devastating. That’s part of the crisis of black leadership right there.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1214) 1 month ago

Right, a bunch of anarchists, socialists, communists, libertarians and pissed off people are going to join the Democrats.

I never saw a scenario where that seemed likely, did you?