Forum Post: Race wars, false flags, and "just one of the guys."
Posted 12 years ago on April 21, 2012, 9:15 p.m. EST by gnomunny
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from St Louis, MO
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I was cruising (city boys 'cruise,' we don't 'surf') the interwebs last night and came across an item on the SHTFplan website about the 'New Black Panthers' party and an alleged incitement of a race war:
I bring it up because it reminded me of a snippet from a piece I'd read last year from a guy named Ulsterman (any of you guy familiar with him? Crazy? Spot-on? Somewhere in between?) about our President and his 2012 election plans (link below). I didn't listen to the audio in the article; didn't have to. I was young at the time, but I'm a little familiar with the late-'60's political climate, and it seems to me, if they didn't get a race war going then, why would they now? This year? During an election. I'm not buying it.
Then, there's the fact that the New Black Panther Party, well, turns out, it ain't the Black Panther Party. Two completely different, ahem, animals, it seems:
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
Could be just a random group of people. Probably is. But somewhere around halfway thru the Ulsterman piece (in which he's talking to one of his "long-time Washington insiders"), the insider mentions the possible use of the "race card" by the reelection committee like its never been used before. Most interestingly, the need to get the "Hispanics involved in the race issue."
Which brings me, apologetically, to Trayvon. And something FDR said when he was kicking it with the beltway crowd before there was even a beltway: "In politics, nothing happens by accident." Love him or hate him, FDR, a politician from a family of politicians, "knew whereof he spoke."
Then there's this article in the UK Telegraph in which Zimmerman is described as a "white Hispanic," helping to ensure 'white' is kept in the equation, and an option conspicuously absent from any form I ever filled out:
And why, exactly, is this a UN matter? You tell me. If you're about to say 'human rights,' I already thought of that option. There were almost fifteen thousand murders in the US in 2010, the latest available year. I doubt the crime rate's gone down too much since. I'm sure a fair number involved two or more 'races.' This one's a human rights violation demanding UN intervention? Anyway, I ramble. Here's the Ulsterman link:
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-the-obama-plan/
It's a good read. Check out the description of Obama behind closed doors. Apparently, he's just a 'regular guy.'
Personally I don't believe the New Black Panther Party is for real. It smells of a false flag, false front created by the far right for propaganda purposes. I don't have proof yet but it just doesn't add up for me.
can't prove anything doesn't exist
the fabricators of the story need the proof
It is a false-flag. Check the second link, it's from the actual Black Panthers saying pretty much the same thing.
Valuable link, thanks. If we could only find out who's funding them.
Hannity and his ilk just love trotting them out as often as possible.
Trotting who out, the real or the fake Black Panthers? Good catch, by the way, in suspecting it was a false-flag. A lot of people didn't, apparently.
Once you start recognizing false flag MOs and start asking 'whose interests are being advanced' (cui bono), it's pretty obvious. The problem is that those who don't do that want legal evidence quality proof, which is hard to come by. Luckily here we have the real Black Panthers to speak for themselves.
The fake Black Panthers, by the way, to reply to your first question.
You make a good point. In order to be truly diligent, I think we should always ask whose interests may be being advanced when thing like this happen, especially when a fairly common event (unfortunately) like Trayvon takes the national stage.
Incidentally, it was in reference to the Trayvon Martin killing that I recall Hannity and others calling up the New Black Panthers. As in 'Why arrest Zimmerman, if the justice department has refused to arrest the NBPP."
I don't follow Hannity but I think I did hear something along those lines. It does indeed make you wonder whose behind the NBP. Which side of the political spectrum is Hannity on? I'm guessing conservative Republican.
The other day I went to the emergency room here in NY and when I was asked to filled the papers for them to see me, I saw something curious, the only ethnic group one could check off was "Hispanic", so if you were white or black, they didn't want to know I guess, I showed my wife and we were both intrigue as to why the only ethnic group they were interested in was Hispanic. I am a Hispanic, by the way, in case someone does not know it.
I think it is sad to do that, I understand how race has been used to divide the population, making us minorities not trust the white man, and making the white man think that no matter how bad things are, at least he is white. I'm gonna say what's on my mind, so I hope nobody gets offended by me explaining things from this side of the scpectrum, after all how can we understand each other if we don't voice our concerns.
By this divide and conquer being perpetuated on us, the population of this country, they have effectively institude a system that will guarantee to them, that the whites and other minorities will not get together and discuss the real issue, this real issue is that we are all in the same boat, if this boat sinks, guess what we go with it.
Therefore by entertaining the notion that one is better than other, we lose precious time and in turn it takes almost a lifetime for some to wake up and see that this racism is just a tool to keep us all apart and actually coming up with solutions to the problems.
For example, think about what would be possible if all of us were in one accord when it comes to politics, just think for a minute, and you will see that if that was the case, then politicians would be actually doing what they are supposed to do, which is to serve the public, instead of serving themselves.
Think about corporations, they would not dare to give money to a group of dumb asses like ALEC cause they would be afraid we would put them out of business.
So my friends, as you can see, racism is something that is needed for them to continue oppressing us.
We are all slaves in this system, all of us, if you are not one of them, then you are one of us, and it is time that all of start accepting that fact, and start acting accordingly.
This is part of the message I hope to get through to people before I am gone, at least I would like to leave as a legacy a world where people understand the value of a human being can not be measured by the color of his sking but by his actions.
Next time I'm at the doctor I will ask why only Hispanics are asked to indentify their ethnicity. Doesn't really bother me to say I am Hispanic as long as they understand I am a human being first.
I hope I was able to express what I was trying to say without offending anybody, if I did, please accept my apologies. God bless you all. BC
No offense taken, of course. What you say about race being used to divide us, or keep us divided, is 100% true. I'm thinking about posting something about that tonight. Basically, that this whole 'race' thing is an illusion.
I'm also working on a post about Monsanto, probably the corporation that deserves, more than any other, to be put in the cross-hairs. Keep up your fantastic work, BC. You make me glad I found this site and can be a part of something so vitally important.
"Basically, that this whole 'race' thing is an illusion."
True there is no scientific definition of "race" as such. True "race" is a social - political thing, not biological.
History though, is not illusory. "Race" is at the center of US domestic politics. In many ways young white people today are much less racist than previous generations were but it would be a big mistake to think that "race" doesn't matter to #OWS or that black people need to "get over it" because racism is "in the past."
Alas, Race exists and racism exists; and it’s as strong as ever. Maybe more behind the scenes, but just as entrenched as ever. This is one area I don’t see much, if any, headway. The brutal truth is that large portions of each race dislike (to put it mildly) one or more other races.
I don’t know, maybe it’s a tribal thing. People gather with others like themselves and distrust other cultures and beliefs. People still mostly live and stay within their own race and culture. I’ve come to think it’s an innate thing that races will never get along well. Probably the best we can expect is a grudging tolerance.
It’s been about sixty years since the government started creating laws to protect minorities and level the playing field. It has been successful to some degree, but has not changed hearts and minds. I don’t know the answer and If I sound pessimistic, it’s because I am.
One reason I didn't start the 'race' thread yet is because I wanted to a little more research into the origins. True, 'race' is a social and scientific construct that has legitimacy in studies of society.
And the subject absolutely matters. The problem, of course, is that it's being used as a divide-and-conquer weapon, while I believe that it should be once again confined to academia where it belongs. If I get around to posting that thread, I'm going to suggest that we (OWS) be the first to stop using the term 'race' to describe people of different skin tones. We're not even different 'colors' if you think about it, we're all varying shades of brown. If OWS would adopt this concept, I think it would help define and legitimize us. It's also about the easiest thing we could do, in terms of solidarity. What do you think?
" I'm going to suggest that we (OWS) be the first to stop using the term 'race' to describe people of different skin tones."
Worth thinking about. I would defer to the opinions of black activists, particularly participants and allies of #Occupy as to how they see it.
That's an idea. I'll probably post it anyway in the next day or two just to get feedback from this forum. I don't see why any minority would have a problem with it though, since they're largely the ones that the term has been used against. We do have some blacks on this forum, so it'd be worth hearing what they think.
Definitely a work to forward. Get past divisiveness and recognize that everyone is basically the same - we all have our little differences that define as as individuals unique to our self - but those differences do not separate us from each other as being people.
Exactly. As I was responding to Shube, I decided it would probably make a worthy thread. I'll probably go for it today or tomorrow.
Proper awareness and promotion of good thinking is what we are about ( these movements against greed corruption crime ) - at least in part as necessary to achieve unity in common cause - and I personally think this is a very important key to moving forward as a people, society, world. To enable all to work together in common cause - Health and Prosperity for all.
You're definitely 'good people,' DKA. I can tell.
Well thank you - my mom would be happy to know that her time was not wasted. Thank you.
This is something I'd like to get.involved, maybe we can work together on this. I cover 17 states with my job, so I can reach a lot of people to pass a message. Send me a message whenever you want to spring into action. God bless. BC.
I certainly will. I've just begun reading about it and some of it is quite chilling. I should post on it in the next couple of days, then we'll talk.
Good stuff. Be well
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Well they don't, the ones that join terror groups their soul purpose is to kill infidels. Not all Muslims are extremists. But you cannot say that they don't hate us. Why would hey have done 9/11 if they didn't?
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What the fuck is your point?
Exactly what I would expect from you, zombiefighter. One of the points is if you hear anything this year about some kind of 'race-war' bullshit, it would probably be a good idea to dismiss it as just another attempt to keep clueless Americans from focusing on the big issues. Clinton's blow-job. Anything else one may read into it depends entirely on where on the 'conspiracy-theory' spectrum you may lie. There you go, big guy, I did the thinking for ya. Understand now?
Race war? Whose fighting?
I'm going to take a guess and say you don't click on links, do you? That's not a bad thing, a lot of people don't. The first link is an 'alleged' tape recording of a meeting of "New Black Panthers" members planning something along those lines. I say alleged, of course, because, that recording could be just about anyone, whose to say? The second link is an announcement from the real Black Panther Party saying the New Black Panthers are posers that are not affiliated with them. The third link is an article in the UK Telegraph where they refer to Zimmerman as a 'white Hispanic.' Now, all of that might seem to be random bullshit, but I thought it very strange that last August, someone described as a Washington insider said the Obama team might play the race card and they wanted to get Hispanics involved, and here we are, Spring 2012, with a racial issue involving a 'white Hispanic,' one of an estimated 15,000 murders in the US annually, being elevated to UN status. The alleged Obama plan is found in the fourth link.
Sorry but none of that is new. And there is no such thing as a white Hispanic. It's a bullshit label made up by liberals.
He is saying that the media is simply ramping up a bunch of nonsense, in order to keep us from focusing how the economy is going further into the shitter.
I know what he is saying. I'm saying that this is old news. They aren't ramping up anything. It's already ramped and going.
I get the impression zombiefighter isn't a deep thinker. I know you like to focus on more specific matters, hc, but what is your opinion of the implication made in the above links, specifically about the Obama team allegedly playing with the idea of using the race card (again) only this time involving Hispanics if possible, and then, voila, six months later they get handed exactly that on a platter?
I believe that this election was over before it even started. The banksters and the war machine have their perfect face and voice. No need to switch it up. Just make the polls say its close, and the public will go along.
That being said, these national campaigns are very astute at not only judging the thinking of the masses at the current time, but also knowing how they react to certain things, and when to time them out.
I think they will possibly do something, or just pick one of the dozens events that happen daily and capitalize on it through massive media coverage.
That's a safe answer. I also agree that it's been a foregone conclusion and all this is now is a entertainment for the masses. Well, in December, maybe then we can get the rest of these guys to finally start thinking third-party. We've got some pretty sharp people on this forum but so many seem to still be stuck inside the box. "This time will be better" if we just "get enough people on board." Let me see, where did I hear that before? Oh, yeah, back in '08. . . . and '04 . . . . and in '00 . . and . . .
Yup, we have an undying loyalty to hating the other party and giving our own a free pass. The other side does the same thing.
You end up with ZERO accountabilty on anything. Which is why we are where we are.
Actually I think a race war of sorts has already begun. The rhetoric from both White’s and Black’s has recently become threatening. More shrill and confrontational than any point in a geneation.
Black crime has become epidemic, roving mobs of Black’s attacking Whites for no other reason than to maim and injure. Flash mobs invading stores, malls and events. Fights almost daily in various restaurants and fast food joints (see youtube for examples).
So far it’s more like guerilla warfare, hit and run on a small scale; and still mostly in Black neighborhoods. It’s not yet organized and doesn’t yet look like war to the average man on the street; but it’s the beginning.
I think riots are a strong possibility in some cities soon. Still, if the damage stays in the Black community no one, other than the police, will get involved. When it spreads outside the Black neighborhoods White civilians will react.
Generally speaking, Whites are well armed, well trained and a lot of them are itching for something like this to occur. I hope it never happens, but I think it will occur somewhere along these lines.
'roving mobs'? Really?
Your post would be hilarious if I didn't think you were serious.
White people don't want a race war. Black people don't want a race war.
'The damage' is already outside of the black community. And the white community. And the hispanic community. The damage is economic first and foremost. People are waking up to that.
Please, simmer down. You're embarrassing the other white people.
Man you stole my thoughts LOL God bless you
Apparently we travel in different circles and watch different news stories. Yes, roving mobs, in news casts almost daily. Also, there is a large portion of both the Black and White communities that would like to see a race war; and seem to be trying to make it happen.
It’s naive to think this doesn’t exist. You’re correct that people are waking up; meaning they see racial conflict on the horizon and are preparing for it. Have you noticed the explosion in gun sales lately. Two manufactures have over a million order backlog and have suspended new orders. People are concerned about something.
The thing about a race war, at least as it applies to my thread, is it seems like it is part of Obama's reelection plans. If you click on that last link and read that interview, the guy being interviewed alludes to this, and that interview was last summer. It seems suspicious to me that a Washington 'insider' would mention this last August, and then, lo and behold, six months later, that's exactly what seems to be happening. At the very least, I feel it is reprehensible that the Administration would use something as tragic as the Travon incident as a reelection tool. At it's worst, well, think 'conspiracy.'
Sorry, I didn’t intend to hijack your thread talking about a race war. I just think tension between Blacks and Whites is escalating; and could result in some level of violence between them. I hope all the talk lately is bluster and blows over with time. But it would be a mistake to ignore the possibility of increased racial motivated violence. Sorry If I stepped on anyone’s toes.
Not at all. Not mine anyway. You didn't hijack it, I was hoping for some dialog. It does seem like this Trayvon tragedy has been used to stir up things needlessly. Seeing as it's an election year, you have to wonder how much is being manipulated. It's certainly being used to distract the masses, and will continue to do so, I think, until November.
I think you're viewing of it is way off base. Your OP was full of not only unfounded assumptions and de-contextualized quotes, but a completely illogical set of conclusions about them.
The Trayvon case came to light because of the courageous determination of his parents and their lawyer. It was destined for obscurity. It became a national issue, not simply because it was a clear case of improper actions on the part of a historically racist police force, but because it also shed light on the influence of ALEC and the NRA on our state laws, the rise of vigilantism supported by law, and the increasing xenophobia and clear racism of anti-immigrant demagoguery manipulated by public officials in most of the states that passed these laws.
If the Obama administration is looking to get hispanics involved in the "race issue", it would not be by demonizing a hispanic. He would not purposefully alienate a major voting block as an effort to win election. The idea is absurd on its face.(And, by the way, unlike you, every official document that requested racial identification I have ever seen has two categories for Hispanics on it: Hispanic and Non-White hispanic.) The race issue being referred to by Obama is not about Blacks. (Funny that you automatically link only Blacks with the issue of race.) There is increased racist hate speech and clearly racist laws being passed against Brown people, aka Hispanics, from the right wing. That's what he was referring to, and it SHOULD be brought up during the election.
I'll assume you read the links, although your comments don't fully bear it out. Especially the last link. You don't think it's curious a 'Washington insider' was quoted last August saying it was Obama's plan to use race as an issue to get reelected, that getting Hispanics involved was part of it, and then six months later that's exactly what has happened? You don't find that odd? And my post isn't about race in general, it's about three or four specific things (black and Hispanic) that have happened recently and my contention that they may be related to Obama's reelection plans. You seem to have way too much trust in our government. And I take anything a politician says in public with a huge grain of salt. You, apparently, take it straight.
Whoever this unnamed probably fictitious Washington inside may have said, you are clearly interpreting it in a very specific way, and that way runs counter to any logic. Getting Hispanics involved does NOT men demonizing a hispanic (Zimmerman) in the media. You do not make enemies of a significant voting block as a strategy to win an election. You do the opposite of that.
I read the Ulsterman thing. The guy is an idiot. Race has been used by every Republican candidate since Nixon invented the Southern Strategy. Only in those cases, it was not CONSCIOUSNESS about racism in the country that was being used, but racism itself. Dog whistle messages were constantly broadcast by candidates to stoke racial fear and hatred. If Obama is trying to raise CONSCIOUSNESS about the very real institutional racism that infects every aspect of this country, more power to him.
I really hope that you are not suggesting that the Obama Administration is behind the New Black Panther party. If so, I would suggest you put your aluminum foil hat back on as the messages from Venus are interfering with your thoughts.
Very astute and perceptive post gnomunny!
Thanks. What do you think about the implication made in the links about the alleged Obama plan using the race card, hopefully with a Hispanic element, and then, six months later, having exactly that handed to them? Or was it handed to them? I put nothing past these people and I know you don't either.