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Forum Post: Question: What did Leninn mean by the term "useful idiot"?

Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 6:45 p.m. EST by antisocialist (30) from Rochester, NY
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[-] 3 points by ComoKate (13) 11 years ago

What is the point and purpose of this post? Apparently you are extremely confused as to what this site promotes. My grandfather worked in a Kentucky coal mine before unions arrived. He lived in a company town that owned all the land, rental units, grocery/sundry stores.They paid wages so low and made the cost of living so h high that people became debt slaves. They had company paid thugs that bashed the heads in of anyone that dared to speak out. "Funny" how history repeats itself. 99% of us live in economic tyranny. We aren't going to take it anymore. We aren't going to let the parasitic greed of international banksters and mega corporations take away our futures, nor the futures of our children/grandchildren. WE THE PEOPLE are speaking out, we will not be silenced. Choose which side you are on because the time has come-

[-] 1 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago

"antisocialist" is trying to warn you that if you push for a socialist agenda you will lose and the oligarchs will win. The oligarchs want you to push for socialism for that very reason. That makes some people in this movement "useful idiots".

We need to reform capitalism. The best place to start is with monetary reform. The fractional reserve system and insider dealings/knowledge of the private central bank is the very core of how this inequality has come about. There should be no such thing as a "national debt" in a prosperous nation. But we let them fool us into this system back in 1913.

It's be nice to kill the beast by its hundredth birthday.

There are other capitalist reforms to be made as well, but calling for socialism will destroy this movement and is not a good idea anyway.

[-] 1 points by antisocialist (30) from Rochester, NY 11 years ago

AGREED. Any organized push that does not lead with the fundamental liberties guaranteed by our Constitution is going to fail. Kooch is right. As long as the federal reserve exists, we will live in slavery.

[-] 1 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago

So are you for this movement or not? I'm really not getting your point below where you seem to be accusing the whole movement of being a "useful idiot". I understand if you are warning against socialism.

[-] 1 points by antisocialist (30) from Rochester, NY 11 years ago

I can't be part of movement so ill defined. I am a Christian and Tea Party member. How does Occupy relate to someone like me.

[-] 1 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago

Lead them with a carrot --the Kucinich NEED Act is a decent one.

[-] 1 points by ComoKate (13) 11 years ago

And who said I was pushing for a "socialist agenda"? A corporate troll that is using rhetoric in an attempt to discredit those who are fed up with the current system. I'm entirely on board with abolishing the Federal Reserve, a system of private banks that operates in secrecy. Good government begins with transparency-

[-] 1 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago

Well, I think you and I took antisocialist's statement differently. And now that I see his post further down the list here, I see you were right!

[-] 2 points by ComoKate (13) 11 years ago

Corporate America/Banksters aren't going to go down w/o a fight. They have their paid schills out in force. REAL Americans Unite in a crisis...and UNITED we are. Say no to spammers and schills and yes to solidarity for the 99% ! :-)

[-] 2 points by Student (94) 11 years ago

Lenin was right in this quote: If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years.

People like you make me lose faith in humanity

[-] 2 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago

Stop undermining the revolution with your talks of socialism. It won't happen. Push for the possible. Reform capitalism. Take the money power back from the banks. Restore democracy.

[-] 1 points by antisocialist (30) from Rochester, NY 11 years ago

Not a good quotable source but it is acurrate. Wikipedia states, "Useful idiot" is often used as a pejorative term for those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good. i.e., Ocuppy his, Occupy that, etc.

[-] 1 points by ComoKate (13) 11 years ago

Not sure if Wikipedia has a definition for a CORPORATE TROLL, but at any rate, your postings will suffice-

[-] -1 points by Kooch (77) 11 years ago


Reform capitalism. Say no to socialist derailment of this revolution.