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Forum Post: Queen Elizabeth Controls And Has Amended U.S. Social Security

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 15, 2012, 11:13 a.m. EST by Renaye (522)
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If you think you're not being ruled by a ruling elite monarchy (.01%), think again. Not only does The British royalty think that the Declaration of Independence is a null and void document, but they discreetly have and continue to manipulate "human ownership" laws. The elite sure do a lot of damage while we are busy bickering between the left/right, rep/dem bullshit deception bullshit.

We've been played!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm

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[-] 3 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

As the saying goes 'the Devil is in the details.' A Judge was once asked if the court upheld the Constitution which elicited a chuckle along with the reply:"Some of the time" followed by a similar but much shorter/ cursory explanation. Now, having studied real estate law in connection with obtaining and maintaining a real estate license and having worked in real estate as an agent, title plant clerk and mortgage broker the statement of one of my instructors who was also an attorney along the lines of contracts and laws being a fiction of consent is an ironic confirmation of the paper posted at the link.

Other disturbing realities learned through years of pulling property profiles concern examples of ownership. For example, you may think contractually that you own your home and land, but the land you may only have ownership of on the surface and some other entity such as J. Paul Ghetty, Shell Oil or Chevron for example may have claim to all oil and mineral rights. Also, through Eminent Domain the government may snatch what you understand to be your property and therein lies yet another confirmation of how fictional ownership can be.

As for The Vatican/Holy See and the legal fiction of obeisance of all powers and principalities, church and belief it is interesting that even my great grandmother would say that church is there to 'keep the people in line' and I think Mark Twain/Sam Clemens to paraphrase him said that "Laws are put in place to serve those who create them."

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 2 years ago

That's good confirmation from someone in the know. Thanks "EDC"!

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

You're welcome. Here's the definition of 'allodial' vs 'fee simple' title underscoring the fictive nature of real property ownership (real as in real estate/that which is 'immovable' and which is also a question that is frequently seen on real estate license examinations): http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/allodial/ Allodial law and legal definition: Allodial means free from the tenurial rights of a lord, as opposed to feudal land. It refers to absolute ownership of land by individuals, rather than feudal property ownership, which is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Allodial land is not subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior.

Most property ownership in the common law world is held in fee simple. Fee simple ownership represents absolute ownership of real property but it is limited by the four basic government powers of taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat and could also be limited by certain encumbrances or a condition in the deed. Allodial title is often reserved for governments.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I'm curious about what any of that has to do with the Queen of England secretly controlling the US Social Security system?

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

'Just thought I'd share some info. so that people have factual information to reach their own conclusions. The only thing I've heard recently from a casual conversation with a technician concerning the relations of England and US was related to surveillance, according to him, M16 conducts covert investigations on behalf of the US of US citizens since our laws prevent certain methods of investigation because search warrants are required and the activities are pervasive on the Internet. Also, there IS no privacy on the Internet since everything (your email, websites and visits to them, your connection through your service provider) routes through one main server/transfer Internet highway and the Internet was originally created for military use.

Also, the same guy mentioned that if you really want to 'point the surveillance finger' on somebody you don't like, just get onto your enemies' computer, go to www.speedtest.net and repeatedly 'ping' from the location you are at to anyplace in the middle east, ie: Dubai, Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, Iran etc., add to that any other middle east websites, visit those 5 to 10 times and some sort of 'red flag' for covert surveillance will be set up on your enemies' computer. When I heard this I laughed but he seemed pretty convinced that this is how the current covert surveillance works.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

There's something even more sinister I read about several years ago. Maybe in The Economist. It was a story about a surveillance system called "Echelon" whose existence no one country wants to claim responsiblity for. Anyway, this is some super duper surveillance system that tracks everything.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Uh oh! I read Al Jazeera sometimes. I guess James Bond is watching me.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

Are you familiar with land patents and might that be a way to exercise absolute ownership of property. In doing some research recently I discovered that big banks are now trying to file land patents on all the mortgaged property that they hold. I too was thinking of filing for my property.

[-] 2 points by PeaceNow (84) 2 years ago

This is HUGE. Do you recall where you searched for that information? This needs to be exposed!!

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

I think you'll find all the information you need if you google "Land Patent". I found this information several years ago when I was doing some research on a deed for property I own. Fair warning, there's alot to read on it. And my thinking was that if you own your property outright it's probably worth it to file a land patent. If the banks can do it, why not individuals. This was also the view of the author of the paper on this subject.

[-] 1 points by PeaceNow (84) 2 years ago

thanks kindly...will do!

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

Yes, in effect the 'First Title' think of the first land grants ever issued that belonged to a country once it had been formed. In the US originally, believe it or not, since the Indians as first inhabitants followed by the UK/'The Crown' originally claimed the US for its own and we won it through war the first deeds ever issued will show issued as grants in perpetuity (forever) for the original colonies. If one has the land patent type of ownership this is the highest level of ownership, it is above 'Fee Simple' and I think as with Indian Reservations it can be construed as 'allodial title' exempt from government actions of taxation, eminent domain etc. sort of like having a state or country of your own.

If the big banks are in the process of filing for land patents/first title my thoughts on the matter are that the current and anticipated foreclosures are and will be so great that one way of managing their titles and costs involved might be to file for a 'blanket land patent' although I have only heard of blanket mortgages but the idea that this might be something they are doing in light of the current patterns revealing themselves with local to global economies would not surprise me.

Now, as an individual I would definitely contact a real estate attorney about filing for land patent and I'm not sure if the size of your real property holding/s along with the purpose would allow for it. Please message here the results of your findings and if you succeed. I do know there is a situation in Ohio where China is proposing or may have already in process a separate manufacturing community replete with their own police force (possibly by land patent/first title?) and I'm thinking to be granted that and under the special circumstances the size of the land involved constitutes about the size of a small town of 500+ Chinese workers for such a thing to be allowed within our borders excepting Native American reservations which are Sovereign Nations with their own internal legal infrastructure that differs from State and Federal laws. For example, a drunk who hits and kills a family outside the borders of the reservation and who is a member of one particular Sovereign Native American Nation/Reservation may simply receive as punishment a much more lenient sentencing than that which is outside of the reservation (ie:under State and Federal laws).

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

The situation in Ohio sounds interesting. Where did you hear about this?

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

Sorry, got the name of the state wrong, it's in Idaho. Here's one of the articles and amounts to China and anyone else who is given the right outside of Native American Indians and US Government and possibly certain corporations the 'Land Patent'/'Allodial title form of land ownership permitting the exemptions from those of the Fee Simple type of property ownership::

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/china-wants-to-construct-a-50-square-mile-self-sustaining-city-south-of-boise-idaho

China Wants To Construct A 50 Square Mile Self-Sustaining City South Of Boise, Idaho Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power. So what is China going to do with all of that money? One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up "special economic zones" inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination. One of these "special economic zones" would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them. China National Machinery Industry Corporation (Sinomach for short) plans to construct a "technology zone" south of Boise Airport which would ultimately be up to 50 square miles in size. The Chinese Communist Party is the majority owner of Sinomach, so the 10,000 to 30,000 acre "self-sustaining city" that is being planned would essentially belong to the Chinese government. The planned "self-sustaining city" in Idaho would include manufacturing facilities, warehouses, retail centers and large numbers of homes for Chinese workers. Basically it would be a slice of communist China dropped right into the middle of the United States.

According to the Idaho Statesman, the idea would be to build a self-contained city with all services included. It would be modeled after the "special economic zones" that currently exist in China.

Perhaps the most famous of these "special economic zones" is Shenzhen. Back in the 1970s, Shenzhen was just a very small fishing village. Today it is a sprawling metropolis of over 14 million people.

If the Chinese have their way, we will soon be seeing these "special economic zones" pop up all over the United States.

So exactly who is "Sinomach"?

The following description of the company comes directly from the website of Sinomach....

With approval of the State Council, China National Machinery Industry Corporation (SINOMACH) was established in January 1997. SINO-MACH is a large scale, state-owned enterprise group under the supervision of the State Assets Supervision and Administration Commission. As you can see, Sinomach is basically an arm of the Chinese government.

The borrower is always the servant of the lender, and now China is buying up America.

The reality is that Sinomach is not looking only at Idaho. Sinomach is in discussions to develop "special economic zones" all over the United States.

Sinomach has recently dispatched delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania to explore the possibility of establishing "special economic zones" in those states.

Will such "self-contained communities" soon start appearing from coast to coast?

According to Dr. Jerome Corsi, the U.S. government has already set up 257 "foreign trade zones" across America. These "foreign trade zones" will apparently be given "special U.S. customs treatment" and will be used to promote global free trade....

"The FTZs tend to be located near airports, with easy access into the continental NAFTA and WTO multi-modal transportation systems being created to move free-trade goods cheaply, quickly and efficiently throughout the continent of North America." So what do our politicians think about all of this?

Most of them are greatly in favor of it.

"Idaho’s the last state that should say we don’t want to do business with Asia," Idaho Lt. Gov. Brad Little said last year. "Asia’s where the money is."

So will all of this "foreign investment" really bring jobs back to the American people?

Perhaps a few, but the truth is that these "special economic zones" that the Chinese are setting up are designed to be self-contained communist Chinese communities. Some Americans will likely be employed in these areas, but not nearly as many as our politicians would have you to believe.

In addition, these "special economic zones" represent a massive national security threat. The communist Chinese could potentially be able to bring in and store massive amounts of military equipment virtually undetected.

In the days of the Cold War, we would have never dreamed of giving the Russians a 50 square mile city in the middle of Idaho.

But today we have become convinced that the communist Chinese want to be our great friends.

The following quote originally appeared in the Idaho Statesman, but has since apparently been taken down....

"The Chinese are looking for a beachhead in the United States," said Idaho Commerce Secretary Don Dietrich. "Idaho is ready to give them one." Indeed.

If relations between the U.S. and China go south someday, we will deeply regret giving China so many open doors.

The truth is that you can never fully trust the communist Chinese. Their top military officers talk about a coming conflict with the United States all the time. China is extremely interested in North America. In fact, the Chinese and the Mexicans have even been holding talks on military cooperation.

But even if you don't consider the communist Chinese to be a military threat, you should be deeply concerned about the economic implications of what is happening.

Today, tens of millions of Americans are wondering why the economy is so bad.

Well, there are a lot of reasons, but the fact that we have sent China thousands of our factories, millions of our jobs and trillions of dollars of our national wealth is a major contributing factor.

If you do not know the truth about how badly the Chinese economy is wiping the floor with the Americen economy then you need to read this article: "40 Signs The Chinese Economy Is Beating The Living Daylights Out Of The U.S. Economy".

Beautiful new infrastructure is going up all over China today, and meanwhile many of our once great manufacturing cities are turning into rotted-out war zones.

China would not be what they are today if we had insisted that they abandon the communist system and respect basic human rights before we ever opened up trade with them.

But that did not happen. Instead we enthusiastically welcomed China into the WTO and we let the predatory Chinese system run wild.

In 2010, China had a "current account balance" of over 272 billion dollars, which was the largest in the world.

In 2010, the United States had a "current account balance" of negative 561 billion dollars. According to the CIA world factbook, that put us in last place in the entire world. In fact, our negative current account balance was more than 9 times larger than anyone else in the world. If you go check out this chart it will give you a really good idea of how nightmarish our trade situation has become.

The world is changing and nothing is ever going to be the same again.

Just ask the residents of Boise, Idaho - they are about to have a 50 square mile self-contained communist Chinese city plopped right into their backyard.

[-] 1 points by PeaceNow (84) 2 years ago

This is important. I put it in a main post. I hope you don't mind.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

'Don't mind at all and appreciate your doing it to get the info. out that so many of us haven't a clue about.

I know that FTZ's (Foreign Trade Zones) like the one in Idaho have already been approved in several US states, here is a link to the information along with the foreign companies but what I think is Really Interesting is that for Idaho there is no mention of the huge project Sinomach has planned per the article here :
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/china-wants-to-construct-a-50-square-mile-self-sustaining-city-south-of-boise-idaho

Foreign Trade Zones State by State: http://ia.ita.doc.gov/ftzpage/letters/ftzlist-map.html

U.S. FOREIGN-TRADE ZONES

This list gives the address and phone number of the contact person for each FTZ project. If the contact person is not an employee of the grantee, the name of the grantee organization is also given. If assistance is needed or if your contact information has changed, please call ((202) 482-2862) or e-mail the FTZ Staff, U.S. Department of Commerce.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

Thank you for the very informative post you wrote. I am more than shocked at the idea of FTZ's popping up all across the US. The politicians must all be insane to think this will help our economy at all. I just can't see how. It makes me think that our government is so incompetent as to envisioning how they can renew our manufacturing base that they're going to let the chinese do it thinking that they'll somehow be able to maintain control of the chinese. FTZ's are the worst idea I have ever heard of.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

In no other country do I know of FTZ's and this is a topic that as more and more become aware of should fight against.

Bring US Industries back to our shores and bring back our jobs!

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 2 years ago

You're welcome. I know that FTZ's have already been approved in several US states, here is a link to the information along with the foreign companies:

http://ia.ita.doc.gov/ftzpage/letters/ftzlist-map.html

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Texas is the only state left that honors or allows alloidal titles. Nevada stopped in 2005. It wouldn't surprise me to learn big money has come up with a way to circumvent this in all 50 states.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

Geesh, it must be about mineral rights, energy etc. in Texas. It is disappointing to hear that most of the states have stopped allowing it but maybe if enough citizens raise a stink it will come back into being. If big money gets to file land patents I think, if enough people know about it, this will get alot of people upset. Thanks for the info.

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[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

How did that post confirm your conspiracy theory about the Queen of England manipulating US law?

[-] 3 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Wow. A fascinating and hilarious conspiracy theory that I had never heard of before.

Aren't posts like this against the rules on this site?

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Theory? It's fact.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/5/contents/enacted

Now run along and go find the international agreements signed by the "leaders" of this nation, as well as the other owned nations.

BTW... I bet you've never read this contract, of which your parents were forced to sign upon your birth, have you?

Things changed greatly when this came into being for the almost complete pool of citizens.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

My birth? That UK law is from 1992. How old do you think I am?!?

It's a UK law. It has nothing to do with 'nullifying the Declaration of Independence' or 'manipulating American "human ownership" laws'.

This is turning into a very bizarre conversation.

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

So you've never read the contract that indeed affects almost every citizen of the United States? All have been issued a SS number, at birth, since 1992. I don't care how old you are, do you have a SS number?

Things changed greatly once it became mandatory.

Go read and comprehend the contract of 1992, then check out the new stuff.

Otherwise, you'll remain a blind idiot that allows mainstream to do your thinking for you.

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

read, for yourself or remain a blind fool

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

The Social Security Administration Act 1992 is a UK law, not a US law. It's a law from a different country. What makes you think that it applies to me, as an American citizen?

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Fight enlightenment and blindly sign/comply with ANYTHING our owned government tells you to sign.

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

What makes you think I am lying to you at all? I'm not. I've read the contract and know what it means as well as from what land it originates.

It is clear you have never read it and are ignorant to it's origin or nearly boundless reach.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Have you read about the agreement between the US and the UK on Social Security?

From the link that you just posted:

An agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom (U.K.) improves Social Security protection for people who work or have worked in both countries. It helps many people who, without the agreement, would not be eligible for monthly retirement, disability or survivors benefits under the Social Security system of one or both countries. It also helps many people who would otherwise have to pay Social Security taxes to both countries on the same earnings.

The provisions of the agreement that eliminate double Social Security taxation became effective January 1, 1985. The provisions which permit persons who meet certain conditions to use their work in both countries to qualify for benefits became effective January 1, 1988.

http://www.ssa.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/uk.html

[-] -1 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Read the entire contract of which all American citizens have been forced to sign from 1992 onwards.

The UK document does indeed dictate the terms for American citizens from that point onward. Prior to it, anyone could legally opt out.

You don't even have a clue what changed with the newly born of this nation from that point, do you? Of course not, you've never read the contract!

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Are you talking about Form SS-5? The form that you have to sign to get a Social Security card?

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

I don't care if you never read the SS contract, or even open your eyes to why things in the US changed drastically because of the 1992 act.

Ignorance is bliss and it is much easier to allow entities you are comfortable with doing your thinking for you to take that load off you.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Could you please post a citation to this "contract"?

[-] -1 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

I could.

Are you now trying to imply there is no "contract" and nothing of significance changed, in the United States, starting in 1992, as a direct result to it?

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Yes. I'm not "now implying that", I've been saying that through this entire thread. The Social Security Administration Act 1992 is a UK law, not a US law.

Please post your citation. This has been really silly so far. I can tell that you don't have children.

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Right, from 1992 onwards, a SS number was issued, WITHOUT A CONTRACT or any terms spelled out, and had to be done so in order to even leave the hospital with "your child", much less enroll them in school or receive heath care.

Not everyone slept through that and buy into there being no contract involved for such things, including forcing citizens to shell out money.

Your explanation of being no contract holds no water. I'm not going to do your studying and research for you.

Stay stupid and ignorant, spread the ignorance like partially hydrogenated peanut butter, or your mom's easy legs.

Sarcasm wasted on peon bent on remaining blissfully ignorant.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Uh so for this whole thread you've been raving about a contract. Then you just now said that now there isn't a contract. Then by the end of your post you were back to saying that I'm ignorant for not knowing that there is no contract?

This is truly funny stuff. And now you're insulting my mother. Go, Occupy!

[-] 0 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Bigfoot has the "contract". Or maybe the black helicopter flew off with it.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

This thread is the funniest thing that I saw all day today.

Have all of the rational people fled this web site? Is this thread proof?

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Seriously, there is no agreement between any of you with ss numbers and anyone else. Everyone is just freely given a number with no signature or agreement implied or required.

If not, perhaps you neanderthals might consider actually reading what you sign.

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

I'll wait until you learn of which you are clearly ignorant.

So far, the best you've done is to realize the origin of the 1992 act while failing to realize the US did indeed sign international agreements with the Crown and subjected it's complying citizens to all of it's terms.

What never happened prior to 1992 when it came to children of this nation?

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

The reason that you can't show me this "contract" that you've been raving about is because it doesn't exist.

About the international agreements, you posted a citation yourself that explained that those agreements were about. I posted a quote.

You're trying to twist something simple into a bizarre conspiracy theory, and you can't back any of it up with actual evidence. That's willful ignorance.

[-] 2 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

Ok Jesus tap dancing Christ will you LaRouche ass clowns go away.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Forget the tap dancing part.

[-] 2 points by Samcitt (136) 2 years ago

Here in the United Kingdom we are honoured that the deluded denizens of the fifty colonies have finally realised that they are humble abeit ignorant servants of the crown. Come and retake your place, prodigal son. Mother still loves you.

[-] 2 points by shield (222) 2 years ago

For those who do not know, I would like to offer the following link explaining why and how the United States violates the founding documents of this country. http://www.teamlaw.org/

[-] 2 points by shield (222) 2 years ago

For those who do not know, I would like to offer the following link explaining why and how the United States violates the founding documents of this country. http://www.teamlaw.org/

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Well, the ideas and suggestions laid out in those pages do indeed make good sense and go a long way explaining the sad state of affairs today in the USA, therefore all should reject and shun them as well as any similar explanations.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17965) 2 years ago

I guess this one would be King George Krazy!!!!!!

Or maybe Kween Liz Krazy?

Still, I miss the bigfoot connection.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I suspect that Renaye and PretendHitGirl are two different sock puppets for the same person. Because it's hard for me to believe that there are two different conspiracy theorists feeding off of each other in this thread.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Even if they are two separate people, their combined brains still aren't enough to make even a single moron.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17965) 2 years ago

I checked the sources posted, and didn't find much there.

You may well be correct.

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[-] 0 points by oldyeller (3) 2 years ago

More conspiracy theory nonsense by the forum's no #1 conspiracy theorist.

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 2 years ago

Conspiracy observationist! Get it right Thrasy, Geesh!

[-] 0 points by oldyeller (3) 2 years ago

No, you're nothing but a mentally ill conspiracy theorist paid to waste everyone's time on this site by posting nonsense after nonsense. It's very clear.

[-] 1 points by humanityrules (14) 2 years ago

How is it clear? Where's your scientific method to prove this?

[-] 0 points by Skippy2 (485) 2 years ago

The "contract" is securly held in a Mason jar on Funk and Wagnals porch. Or in Gores "Lockbox". I fergit which.

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

The Social Security Administration Act of 1992 is indeed a United Kingdom document and was signed by the US government via international agreement, along with several other owned nations.

Many of the morons here completely reject this notion that the Crown has absolutely anything to do with this nation's social security system, much less the reality that the queen, and her agents, actually own you and your spawns because of the consent this contract gives them.

Follow the money, and pray tell, who loans anyone this kinda cheddar without any collateral pledged, especially knowing, up front, the interest is unlikely to ever be repaid, much less the impossible principal?

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/world_debt/world_debt.html

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu/debt_piigs/debt_piigs.html