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Forum Post: Pushing the "Business" Candidate

Posted 11 years ago on July 31, 2012, 7:02 p.m. EST by elf3 (4203)
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A great trick of the media has been to convince the people that they need former businessmen running this country. "Because they will know how to spend your money better than someone who is running to serve you". I rather think they will know how to get your money and give it to their friends, how to get your money to work for themselves, and how to get your money to do anything other than service you; Because your tax dollars were not meant for you silly, they were meant for investors. And who knows how to get your money back in the hands of investors better than former businessmen? Who knows how to gear laws to benefit companies that hold their pensions, and investments, better than the people who work in those companies? Elect businessmen, make sure your money is working for them, god-forbid we they use it to do anything that might benefit the people pooling it. And hey who knows, once those businessmen are done using the laws against you to increase their profit margins and get your money working for them, they might even throw you a bone and give you a part time shit for pay go no where job until the next quarterly downsizing begins again. Business men know how all of that works, and we sure we don't need anyone in there with crazy ideals about serving the people or creating a fair system. There's money out there and money shouldn't belong to you, even though it's yours, they'd really like it if that little thought would slip your mind.




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[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23789) 11 years ago

This is a country, not a corporation. It's full of human beings who are citizens, not employees. The two entities couldn't be more different.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

Thanks it's good to know there are people feeling the same way on this - I am at the point where I feel there should be a separation between government and business. Not to mention having this line blurred is like having your boss make the rules for your life - it would be like having your employers follow you home from work and telling you what to do. No one wants that, do they?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

oh mister business

please give me a job

cause the money is already yours

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

On that note do we want a society built of integrity and instinct vs. one built out of Market research and data mining.? Books written solely for profit rather than a desire to communicate or share something valuable. No, now we have books written based on research of what people might want to see written. We are becoming a society constructed out of predictions, speculation, and profit outcome. Original thought no longer matters (isn't that why people hate Communism so much?) Being told who we are, what we can do, what we must buy, who we must vote for. The lines between Communism and this rapidly developing Coporatunistic society are blurred to me. I can not tell the difference between a corporation trying to control my life and all outcomes vs a government who does the same. When they are rigging the outcome - by force and invasive methods designed to monitor and control you. The corporate media alarm of Communism can be heard echoing off the wall in some Chinese slave factory where all of our goods are made by people who are told they are free... but we still can't see it because we still believe in the American Dream. We still believe we aren't controlled we still believe businessmen want the best things for us, and that underneath all of those numbers that they still believe in the American dream - even as they outsource and monopolize, monitor and research and analyze and track us against our will for their own best possible profit outcome while they throw the rest of us off a cliff into oblivion. Hey they're getting theirs, and in Communism - that's really all that matters - the wagon still gets pulled even if only one percent are riding inside it. Their sole success is your collective effort. But I ask make sure you let them know about the books I like to read - throw a little google search my way every now and again, even if it has been written by wall street at least maybe it will still be out there hidden beneath the marketable text. And when you go over that inevitable cliff into oblivion, I beg, please make sure you drag the wagon with you.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago


The Story of Citizens United v. FEC (2011)


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

People clamor for business people because they WANT something to actually be DONE. They dont like politicians.

Yet it is these very same people who will cast the potential good leader out when the media sabotages him/her with past mistakes.

Its a lose/lose. We dont end up with anyone with the balls to lead, the the people who would really like to get in there and shake it up are simply not going to put themselves/family through that.

Obedient idiots is what the D and R are after. And its all we are willing to vote for as well.

This nation is too damn scared to have real elections.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

We don't have anyone with the balls to serve, I would argue; to sacrifice oneself in honor of country in honor of freedom instead of using the position to gain wealth or legacy. Maybe they need to be without balls? Like a mother who puts her children before herself. That is what serving this nation should resemble. That is the purpose of a public service position - to serve. The job is not to lead. The job is to follow the will of the people, so perhaps we need more followers in office? We don't need someone to manage us like some CEO who views the American people as liabilities instead of assets; we need someone to carry out the will of the people and SERVE us. That little fact has been forgotten; we employ the president and all public servants. We need to remind them of that.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

We already have a president who does that - 5.5 trillion spend and where are the jobs? The bankers are sitting fat and happy though, aren't they.

I would much have a person in office who understands a balance sheet, expects results when it comes to spending taxpayer money and knows full well how to spend taxpayer money to get the best results.

We presently have in office a "civic organizer" who only knows how to spend taxpayer money and doesn't have a clue as to what the results will be once the money is spent.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

that's not private companies

their bottom line is profit not results

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

What are profits if they are not results? How many people do you know who have the ability to go out and start a business and be successful at it?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

The only people I know who own businesses had money to start with - usually they lose a good chunk of it playing businessman with Daddy's money - so not many is the answer

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

ha haa haa haa haaa - as if he was left with an iota of choice in that - sure he could let the banks go bankrupt and let the violence and Marshall law ensue - or he could pay off the banks and salvage what little he could - and yes where are the jobs is the question ??? - well businessmen thought it in their own best interest if they all were done by slaves working within a Communistic regime they balanced their books alright but shit all over the American dream and the American way, and the American worker in the process. They love when we buy their products but they sure hate to employ us - the only solution to that is welfare because without it something like (30 percent of the nation would not be spending money on their cheap shit products) what would getting rid of welfare do to their profit margins - noone examines the real manipulation in that because welfare dollars end up back in the hands of monopolies and right now it's all that's feeding them. I'd love to see that 30 percent chunk pulled right out of the market and watch Wallstreet scrambling to get that back again - but then they'd have to bring back jobs and that's not really in line with their bottom line results they much prefer that your taxes take care of that consumer spending gap via welfare. Welfare is the corporation's wet dream come true.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

First off you are assuming that "if the obimination didn't bail out the banks there would be violence in the streets and marshall law will ensue". Where do you get your facts from to back this up?

Also how would taking 30% out of the stock market solve the jobs problem? People who invest in the stock market invest with money they already have - be it an individual, business or corporation.

So what you say about it happening would bring jobs back is not true if 30% was taken out of the stock market.

Lets look at what the Obimination said - he said that businesses aren't successful by themselves.

So, I guess what he must mean is everyone participates in the successfulness of a business - right.

Now tell me -

Where does the money come from for a person to start up a business - I'm talking about everyday "individuals" who decide they want to start up a business? 70% of the businesses in this country are run by small businesses.

Where does the money come from for a business to stay in business?

Where does the money come for an individual to have money to buy goods and servces from these businesses?

So if you think businesses are screwing people and making slaves out of them, I have an idea that will solve that problem - how about everyone be required to start their own business.

Tell me why this won't work?.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 11 years ago

If everyone started their own business there would be no employees. Only contractors. So every contractor contracts with other contractors and, in the blink of an eye, functionally they would contract to be assemblers, supervisors, managers, directors, Vice Presidents and CEO's and what has changed?

I have been involved with entities that worked like this. It is easy to do today.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

What will change is people will be working for themselves then they can set their own price and won't be able to blame someone else for their failures or successes.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 11 years ago

They are still the same people. They blame others now, sometimes correctly, sometimes not.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

it could but won't because ...MONOPOLIES and LARGE BANKS RIG THE SYSTEM TO KILL THEM - occupy occupy occupy ...occupy, occupy ... get rid of the monopolies... Can you hear us yet?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

also to answer your other quests if the banks had not been bailed out money would not have been worth the paper it was written on ...go to the store and buy food with your paper and watch the hording and madness ensue. Shelves tend to empty out when people hear a storm is coming.

Welfare recipients shop with the tax money they receive (it feeds the stock market) pull out that percentage (my republicans friends always tell me it's something like 30 percent ..?- I don't know the actual figure) But ok take away welfare and now instead of buying goods that 30 percent has to find a job - aww shit can't all in China now - now even more job scarcity, pay rates go even lower, even less people buy products. Instead of jobs feeding the economy whay you have is welfare feeding the economy - but it's fake the music is going to stop eventually and someone will be left without a chair. It's all fake - the only way corporations can show a gain is to lay off more workers - but then you have even less money moving around even less goods being purchased - it's a downward spiral.

I would love to see that 30 percent chunk come out suddenly and drastically so, unlike most liberals - I want welfare (except for the elderly and disabled) stopped at once to effect change - i want to watch those stocks plummet - I want the wealthy traders to feel what happens when they cut all our jobs. They have shot themselves in the foot.

Right now a United States worker is competing against slave labor. What does that make you if you're now on the level as a Communistic owned slave? Republicans only want to cut welfare now that there's noone left making any money to take it from, but themselves (since those mostly Republican business owners downsized everyone, like 30 percent over the last 15 years, I think- if you count people off the rolls) -but now they want to cut it? ...seems odd with the majority they had for so long they never touched it. I myself say let's do it get rid of it now all at once - I'm waiting for that dip on the board - right now it's like a band aid ripped off slowly and the people at the edge are feeling the real pain right now - the people in the middle less so - but the people in the center hardly at all - that's not too fair is it? Wall Street should share some of that pain especially since they created the wound to start with.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

What have your occupies accomplished? What legislative changes have been made with regard to big business because of your "occupies". None, nada - zero zilch.

And it will continue to be that way because not one of you will admit that you need to get involved "directly" with government and government officials to make change happen.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

Run for office? We won't win we have no money ...we have no media - we have diebold voting machines to insure the banker candidate wins - but yes if you look at Congress are they really young enough or broke enough to care what happens to the young generations? - no - but I would ask could we win if we got the money out of politics - if we got back a free press? Those are the first steps and the goal of pointing out those injustices and bringing them to the forefront has been accomplished - we need to rile up the masses - get them as hot and bothered as we are - it's our futures being sold. If you don't have wealthy parents - and you're in my generation - you feel it - there's a definite storm brewing.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 11 years ago

the taxpayer money is used to line the pockets of obamas friends. the goal of this presidency is to destroy the usa as founded.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

funny isn't that the goal of every politician? - why pick sides it's us, me and you against them - why are you lining your vote with an imaginary party line?

[-] -2 points by Porkie (-255) 11 years ago

What it all comes down to is this: we would prefer the businessman to the attorney.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

lawyers set precedents that protect our rights - it's the lawyers who are also businessmen who ruin our nation - the ones that fight on our behalf make it great and protect us the ones that work the law to the advantage of a corporation over the rights of the individual should be hung drawn and quartered

[-] 0 points by Porkie (-255) 11 years ago

Yea, like this Supreme Court just did right? This Fed government is all attorneys now - what they do is test the limit of law.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

I think the are all working for big business - where are their retirement holdings anyway - do justices have stocks ? I'm betting they do... Do they have friends in corporations ... I'm betting they do ... it's a conflict of interest for sure but then it's pretty much always been a sham - are you surprised? Bribery comes in many different forms.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Businessmen would be fine, if they posses charismatic features. Mitt is about as dumb and aloof as they come.

Poltiics is not business. I think it should be a bit more business like, like actually balancing a fuckin budget. But its about leadership.

Most great leaders in business have no intention of going into politics, simply because if you dont follow along with the party (again, the party ALWAYS trumps the individual) they are cast out through the media.

No self respecting human would want to be subjected to that. Just look at what the media has done to Obama for his Warren gaff, of Mitt's Olympics thoughts. Its insanity. Its totally insane.