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Forum Post: Public Opinion of Occupy Wall St. Favorable

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 5:55 a.m. EST by metapolitik (1110)
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In a new Time/Abt SRBI poll, 54 percent of Americans say that they are favorable to the OWS movement.

Only 23 percent are unfavorable, and another 23 percent say they don’t know enough to have an opinion.

This makes the OWS movement’s favorability rating is TWICE AS HIGH as that of the conservative Tea Party movement: Just 27 percent are favorable to the Tea Party, compared to 33 percent who are unfavorable and 39 percent without an opinion.

http://metapolitik.org/blog/public-opinion-occupy

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[-] 4 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Bump. So more people will see the above info.

[-] 3 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

We are not going away.

We have changed the game and we are just getting started.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

And if we did leave, we could just take our protest here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/winter-is-coming-lets-occupy-the-caribbean/

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

...and talk with some of the vacationing 1% !

[-] 3 points by betsydoula (143) from Beverly Hills, FL 8 years ago

Most people I have talked to agree that Congress is bought and it needs to stop and that the financial system needs an overhaul. What I stress is that this movement is not a political movement like the Tea Party, but a movement for social change,and a new world. A lot of people fear change because the change is unknown. Let's all keep the conversations flowing.

[-] 3 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Yes I agree, let's keep the conversation going. Permanently.

But at some point were going to have to address geopolitics if we expect to get anything accomplished in our lifetimes.

I have been watching the privateer pigs dismantle this country for 30 years and I only just now feel that we are even an inch closer to reigning in the madness.

[-] 3 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

54 percent of Americans say that they are favorable to the OWS movement, TWICE AS HIGH as that of the conservative Tea Party movement.

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[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

As an interesting, but completely unrelated side note (unless you count feats of inductive reasoning - in which case, it's still a complete non-sequitur)...

I require exactly 0% of the average Tea Bagger's Viagra intake before engaging in sexual intercourse with a consensual adult partner. Also, I am completely Olestra free, meaning no anal leakage.

Just to lighten things up a bit :)

[-] 3 points by ParacelsusStirner (42) 8 years ago

dont make this a OWS vs tea party (though I know its tempting seeing for a number of reasons)

a certain % (even if its relatively small) of tea party types can be brought over.

[-] 2 points by synonymous (161) from New York, NY 8 years ago

OWS Party!

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be divisive.

I was just quoting the article (verbatim) to show everyone that the country is behind us.

[-] 3 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

54 percent of Americans say that they are favorable to the OWS movement, TWICE AS HIGH as that of the conservative Tea Party movement.

bump

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

I think this is an important subject reight now, as the mainstream media is intent on conveying the message that the movement's losing popularity. That is NOT true.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Well, with about major media 6 corporations controlling almost everything that we watch, listen-to, or read... No surprise.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Right, that is why, as I have said before, we need to find ways of countering this message beyond our efforts on the streets. The opinion makers can play this card of, "the movemet's losing populatity" and turn it into reality through repetition, because most people are trend followers rather than trend setters. Here, I am out of my element, because I am from that generation only superficially fluent in the use of computers. Those knowledgeable about uses of the internet must find creative means to both counter that message, and to reach out to Middle America, in order to show that their problems are the problems we seek to rectify. The farm forclosures that have been going on relentlessly and aggressively since the 1970s might be a good place to start. Their is a lot of unvented anger and riteous indignation surrounding that issue, which could help power this movement, if we actively seek to tap it.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Well said.

Vast, distributed, relentless, grassroots media campaign. We need to all become our own individual AdBusters and ceaselessly spread the message that so-called "rational self interest" (primary tenet of modern capitalism) is, in-fact COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL on a shrinking planet and that a better, fairer economy awaits us all. One that has strong social programs a la "socialism" but allows little guy to be entrepreneurs as-well and that keeps major banks and corporations from unfair theft, manipulation and usurpation of our economy and our government.

I have written about this here:

http://myopsy.blogspot.com/2010/06/deep-green-democratic-socialism.html

...and Here:

http://metapolitik.org

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

We agree totally here. This has become one of the two most important challenges we face. The other is in coordinating BOLD plans for concerted action to powerful effect, as well as continuing those spontaineous actions made possible through the net. In otherwords, leaderless movements tend to break up through simply too many voices and not enough concentration of effort.

We must both vigourously (sp) spread the possitive message of our movement through every media means possible, and make plans for concerted future action of national significance. These two things must become, for now, our primary goals if we are to progress.

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 8 years ago

Don't forget there is tons of negative media.

[-] 4 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Which makes it all the more extraordinary!

[-] 2 points by zz1968 (89) 8 years ago

FYI, a Dutch colleague of mine sent me the link below which is a translated page of a Dutch newspaper. Four Dutch members of parliament visited OWS and in the absence of a spokesperson they talked to random people. And that was it. They just left with a general impression and four pin-point discussions with random people who could have been the village idiots and traveled back to Holland without having a contact to fall back to for future purposes. Wouldn't it have been great if a delegation of OWS would have been ready to receive them, show them around and discuss a comment set of demands?

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkskrant.nl%2Fvk%2Fnl%2F2824%2FPolitiek%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F2980230%2F2011%2F10%2F21%2FKamerleden-bezoeken-Occupy-Wall-Street-in-New-York.dhtml

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

If that weren't the case OWS would have been evicted by now.

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

At this point, an eviction would be PR suicide (for the establishment).

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

True. They don't want the attention or the blow-back.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Especially after that Tony B. incident. Good thing for us, the media was ALL OVER that.

[-] 2 points by jameswestonmusic (222) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

its about time:)

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

Good deal

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

I think the tactics of the authorities are just going to make this movement more and more popular, in spite of the suffering they are inflicting on us.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Great post.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Great Post!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

This forum is blocking my right to post a comment on this thread. I have tried a dozen times to do so, and have been repeatedly blocked. This comment thread is very pertainent, and well worth giving newcommers a chance to read.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

This comment is well worth re-posting.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

This comment is very important for newcomers to see, and very well worth re-posting.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

This post in very important for newcomers to see and well worth re-posting.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Yes, bump away!

[-] 1 points by grelet (1) 8 years ago

The actual banking system has to be dissolved. The system with its interests and interest on interest, which leads to exponentially growing debt, lets go whole companies and now countries bankrupt. This is an absurd system, which is only made for the 1 % richest, the bankers. They have the exclusive right to print money (central banks which are a private institution consisting of a committee of all participating banks) and lend to every project that seems to make the most of money. With this exclusive printing rights, combined with interest, money gets channeled constantly from the 99 % of population to the 1 % rich without us even noticing it. What happens when we cant pay back our debt anymore, which has to happen in an interest on interest system where dept is growing exponentially? We are getting really enslaved by the banks. Expenses for health care, education and infrastructure has to be cut, the age of retirement is raised constantly only to pay the rich bankers. So we effectively live and work for them, for financing their luxurious houses, parties and vacations. Slavery, not anymore by force, but with system. This system has a catastrophic side effect:

  • Exponentially growing debt demands for infinite growth. On a planet with limited resources this cannot work. Companies have to pay back exponentially growing debt and therefor have to grow infinitely. In a system where money is the only incentive this leads to the exploitation of natural resources and our all living basis, our earth. This exploitation in the last 200 years already threatens all our future(CO2- emission, global warming). So what do we have to do? We have to dissolve the actual banking system, which consists on enslaving population by interest and only giving to money to projects which promise the most profit. Giving the right to print money to private institutions is absurd. Money is a means to exchange goods and should be therefor in public hand. The money issuing organization should be under control of the government. This organization should not evaluate projects anymore just by their outlook for profit, but also by environmental, sustainable, social criteria. So a project isn’t evaluated only on the basis if its good for the company, but also for the whole society. Society pays the price for the higher costs of these companies (eco-friendly, social shaping of organizations and processes costs money) for their own good. This leads to a more social, eco- friendly society overall. Cleary, in such a system, the threat of corruption is big. Normally, bankers are incentivized by the profitability of their investments directly. When the new bankers have the more sophisticated job to evaluate projects on “soft” criteria (social, eco-friendly... ), this is a high risk. Evaluation can be manipulated easily. Therefor these government- reigned banks have to be controlled strictly by another, independent organization. Further, companies should be punished harder if they transgress environment protecting regulations. The money of these penalties should be used by the government for environmental or social projects.
[-] 1 points by VeganBaby (7) 8 years ago

Just heard a recent survey, this from CNN, 36% have a favorable views, 29% unfavorable, and 26% have never heard of the movement :(.

[-] 1 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 8 years ago

Confirms what I've been hearing.

[-] 1 points by Friday (11) 8 years ago
[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

I'm confused... There is:

http://multitudeproject.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-are-occupation-camps.html

http://groups.google.com/group/multitudeproject

...and:

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/

Are these all related?

Also, assuming this is you, I re-posted an excerpt and link to your article on emerging cities:

http://metapolitik.org/blog/protests-as-emerging-cities

[-] 1 points by Friday (11) 8 years ago

Not familiar with the first two. Just www.themultitude.org

[-] 1 points by RCB65 (3) 8 years ago

And way more favorable than Congress's rating.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

So true!

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

Without a doubt.

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Yes, but... "They don't know why they are protesting!" ...................... Here's an editorial cartoon addressing that claim that the corporate media is mouthing....................

//i.imgur.com/wDOu1.png

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

So True

[-] 1 points by Mike122333 (102) 8 years ago

TheMultitide.org

Thank God!

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Bump

http://www.themultitude.org/

Let's get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people.

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[-] 0 points by vodkarocksmovie (37) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

Wow. that's encouraging. Buttons are selling: we are the 99% at the protest in Zucotti Park. Hoping they are the hottest item on sale this season! Perfect Christmas gift, and reasonably priced too.

[-] 0 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Yes, and 99% condoms make a great 'stocking stuffer' (lol)!

http://rt.com/news/occupy-wall-street-condoms-599/

[-] 0 points by VeganBaby (7) 8 years ago

Only problem is that poll is almost two weeks old :(. No recent polls have been done since, and with the different factions breaking out now in the movement, and the right endlessly playing youtubes where they call the protesters anti-semitic, and where the Democratic President has taken more money from Wall Street than all Republican contenders combined, I can't imagine recent polling being good at all :(. It's so depressing.

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

That may be, but it was only a couple of days old when I made this post.

Anyway, I have no reason to believe the numbers have dropped.

If anything, I think the major news media has refrained form publishing another poll as it would reveal that the number has climbed even higher.

[-] 0 points by VeganBaby (7) 8 years ago

I wish I could share your optimism but I can't :(, the media has been reporting this protest extensively in a good light but we still haven't gotten nowhere near the numbers that the Washington Tea Party protests got :(.

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

A GOOD LIGHT?!

You are out of your mind!

Sorry, but if you had read the OP, you would see that 54% (OWS) is higher than 24% (TP). I can't even believe I am letting you bate me into discussing it further.

Are you trying to sound stupid?

[-] 0 points by VeganBaby (7) 8 years ago

Trying to sound stupid? I don't have top try! the Tea Party got hundreds of thousands in their Washington rallies, I was hoping that we would get the same amount at our rallies and we haven't, and we've become a laughingstock :(.

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

No, you don't have to try very hard do you.

[-] 0 points by chigrl (94) 8 years ago

Wow. Calm down. Why the sudden snap? A rational person was trying to express his/her doubts about current support for the movement. Just because a poll was new when you posted it doesn't mean the numbers are still indicative of the population today. Opinions change. Support fluctuates. Maybe support for OWS has decreased and maybe it's increased. No one knows past their own personal impression because there isn't a recent poll.

[-] 2 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Poster is directly contradicting the evidence that is sitting right in front of her.

While it is true that the numbers may (or may not) have changed since the poll was taken. There is no reason to assume the former. Especially without evidence or precedent to support such an assumption.

[-] 0 points by chigrl (94) 8 years ago

There is no reason to assume the numbers have changed and there is also no reason to assume they have stayed the same. Give me some evidence to support your assumption.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

I'm not making any assumptions and neither should the poster.

That is my point.

[-] 0 points by Friday (11) 8 years ago