Forum Post: Prove Me Wrong... Is There A Better Plan Than Mine???
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 7, 2011, 10:31 p.m. EST by SirPoeticJustice
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lol
It appears you would prefer to live in a different country.
Perhaps you should move there and leave mine alone ?
This is America. We are in Manhattan, New York. I am sure they have an occupation in your country, wherever you are. Just google it.
nothing about ending war
Very well done - but nothing will happen if we don't stop the koch-murdoch-grover money machine -
There are a huge number of great COMPLICATED ideas - here and elsewhere -
that will garner GREAT OPPOSITION.
We need to be realistic & pick an issue that is simple - that is popular -
that 83% of Americans agree on -
that 56% of TP agree on -
that will bring together the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS.
Everybody wins!
Our only goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decisions Citizens United (2010) & Buckley v. Valeo (1976), that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons & have no personhood rights”
and
“money is not free speech”.
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into a success -
WHY CAN'T WE??????????
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people” and “money is not free speech”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.
5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one MAJORITY task.
another way to garner more support is to accept that conservatives are as fed up with the system too, maybe its not a liberal/conservative issue so much as a fix a busted system/try to hold up a broken system thing. It just seems like the constant bashing both ways only helps to keep people who want true change from ever agreeing on a thing. anytime someone adds anything vaguely conservative to a conversation its nazi this and fascist that. everyone who participates on both sides seems to believe that only one side can ever be right, but if you actually stop and listen and think you realize both of you don't agree with everything your party does, its just the only game that comes close.
yes - exactly - CU is universally despised - across the spectrum - that is why, with enough work we can do this - the opposition is only 17% !!
once this is done, I believe, the best effect will be to get the greed stooges to leave government. CU money, lobby money is their trough, Poison the trough.
Now.
Excellent plan, but how will we get it done? Asking them to do it isn't going to help much.
very well said. hmmm...
At some point OWS will have to make real demands and threaten with something really painful. Unless the 1% go Santa Claus.
We should have never made it where the 1% could ever think they are "giving" anything to anyone. It should be a forgone conclusion that when you rig everything to go your way, that you'll have to give some of it BACK...
I want this on a bumper sticker!
That would be a big damn bumper sticker!