Forum Post: Protesting Private Corps Vs. Protesting the Government
Posted 11 years ago on May 6, 2012, 5:11 p.m. EST by hchc
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This has always been an interesting topic in Occupy.
I personally don't see corporations changing their behaviors. The banking cartel, for instance, loves war because its expensive. I doubt they are too worried about protesters here.
Congress on the other hand, has the power to re-write the rule book.
Regardless of what you think, at the end of the day, legislation HAS TO BE PASSED in order to turn the tide. So who do you get there?
You can start putting your people in the corporations and try to work your way up, to then lobby congress to pass laws that take money from your company. I don't think corporations would allow that behavior for too long. A couple of days, maybe.
Or you can go straight to the rule writing. And there are two lines of though there:
- Get rid of the Republicans, and we can then mold the Democrats
- Run new candidates based on freedom outside the D/R
- Start an entirely new system altogether and wait for this one to fall apart (which is coming whether you like it or not)
Which one of the four do you think would get the fastest results?
arent both parties corrupt? i meant obama spent billions of our money to bail out the rich banks so they can foreclose on the poor people who lost their jobs? how can democrats be the answer?
I dont think they are. There are quite a few that think this is a good decision. I think it is a big waste of time.
http://coalitionforsocialchange.wordpress.com/
Start an entirely new system altogether
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
Which one of the four do you think would get the fastest results?
Option 5 (not listed):
Constitutional Amendment to address the failings of this political system combining money and elections, money and lobbying, and term limits
I agree with those things, but who is going to pass them?
"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."
The State legislatures could be forced to call a convention through a petition campaign, or voting propositions within the states.
Womens Right to Vote, Civil Rights, and Prohibition were all Constitutional Amendments.
Do you have any links to a petition that would be satisfactory to start something like this with? I would be very interested in something like this?
http://www.article-v-convention.com/
But they are keying on impeaching Federal reps.... not the agenda I put forth.
We should start an online petition with my shortlist as a framework. I'm up for it.
I was thinking more of something I could go door to door with, or go to political rallies
Check this out:
http://initiativesamendment.org/
PDF's for download at bottom of page..... what do you think of the proposal?
I think a combination of bullet 1 & 3 is best. Bullet 2 just seems like a wasted effort to me.
I used to not like the idea of caring about the Dems over the GOP, but then the GOP started destroying the unions and going after teachers and health clinics and such. They also bring total hell down on women, people of color and LGBT individuals.
In the interest of preserving ourselves, what we build, and how we might grow among the grassroots, I think it's important to get along with grassroots Democrats. In the interest of our cause, I think it's essential we build our own structures that can come in handy later.
All this can change in a different situation. They're tactics afterall, not our end-goal of self-determination.
And so reality rears it's ugly head as the denizens of OWS wrap their minds around government as the problem. The obvious becomes obvious for them...instead of shitting on the steps of the banks they dimly become aware of elections as a means of control.
This stinking thinking will quickly be snuffed out as the last thing your masters want is for you to see THEM as the problem. So let's get back to hating on the financial system as we have been instructed and no more of this rogue thinking!
haha
I think you need some good independents to stir things up....the republicrats will never change anything, too many vested interests.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSLwj0neLWk
Democrats vs. Republicans? The best you can do is vote for the least bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTQ1WOC9RgY
Get rid of the Democrats. All they do is bitch cause everything is not free and corporations, blah, blah, blah.Go smoke a doobie.
I would like to get rid of all of them, possibly do away with parties altogether.
amen to that, we the people need to be in charge, not some idiot dead in the head gluttenous person we send to washington whose vote is gobbled up by greedy politicians who vote their own payraises.
Yes, I couldnt agree more