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Forum Post: Pretend Democracy

Posted 4 years ago on Aug. 20, 2013, 12:41 p.m. EST by Snowden123 (0)
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What is absolutely bizarre is even with all the news articles pointing out the abuse of power by Obama via the NSA there remains a central core of loyalists steadfast in their belief that this is in fact the best of all possible worlds (Voltaire). How can people not see what has happened to our democracy? I spent a lot of time searching for some clues regarding this conundrum without much success until I wound up looking at the history of Germany from 1918 to 1945. And it was there that I found the playbook for shaping the minds of the loyalists. However, it’s a lot of reading and most people simply will not take the time to do it. There is an alternative. Take a look at the movie Downfall. It is available on Netflix. “The movie begins with the real-life Traudl Junge expressing the guilt and shame she felt for admiring Hitler while in her youth.” Junge was Hitler’s secretary.

As a nation we failed to watch the backdoor and Fascism slithered into our daily lives. It did not come from the left or the right. It came from a sinister combination of both. We now have a pretend democracy. And those who continue to think of it as a political battle between the left and right insure the final act of the Orwellian Nightmare.

”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” ~Ben Franklin”



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[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

From somebody who's lived it, they told me that politically the U.S.A. today is like Germany was in 1938.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

Ok a few random thoughts here.

”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” ~Ben Franklin”

Sorry, Ben. This is an American concept. It's just tall talk.

As far as us becoming way too much like the Germany of old. It's true. Americans are obsessed with technology now. I think the Germans discovered that was their fault too. They learned the hard way that technology should not define a culture.

Blame it all on Obama? I say no. What can he really do? I wish everyone would just lighten up about the whole thing, just a little. I bothers me that we throw so much money into national security and we don't know what we're getting in return for it. We let this happoen. We did it to ourselves and I don't have the answers.

It's one big digital disaster.

[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

did you just say ben franklin was tall talk???

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

What Franklin's statement really means;

If the US gets too messed up I'll move to France.

When asked, would you sacrifice liberty for security, the question doesn't deserve an honest answer. It's a dishonest question.

[-] -3 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

no what it really means is you don't want to face the facts. he said it, he meant it. realize you are not listening.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

It was just a statement from Franklin. Republicans like to turn it into a question. It's dishonest and just a way to rip off tax--payers with bloated budgets. Fear, fear, fear. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. You're kind scary though.

[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

exactly so why the obsession with security and war?

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

Right. The OP's post was about security issues not war so much.

[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

but that is why we wage war today for security.

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

Security? Oil and other resources has a lot to do with it. The 'who has nukes' game might even trump oil.

Nukes would be a major issue especially to some smaller countries who are supposed to be friends. I'd say it's a combination of things- security, resources, etc... Don't forget some people just want to blow up shit.

[-] 2 points by summerbummer (-33) 4 years ago

Steve, it's resources. It's always about resources. The only thing that changes is the face of the bogeyman that is used to rile the masses into fighting for them. Middleages.....it was Christianity and the infidels defilement of Jerusalem to drum up the cannon fodder. Today, it's "security". The CIA is masterful at what it does.

[-] -3 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

and yes i am scary, dangerous too. if you are a globalist that is.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

We're getting off topic but global 'culture' as they call it now is overrated. Still, using the internet might finally give me the mobility I've been looking for for a number of years.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

Yes. He's playing the devil's advocate with this statement and it's over the top.

[-] -2 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

you sir are a fool. i suppose thomas jefferson was over the top when he said "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike." he is not playing devil's advocate he is speaking truth. why are people like yourself so dumb?

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

OK the statement isn't playing the devil's advocate. Turning it into a question is. It's not right to ask.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

Different kind of statement. Jefferson is saying war is a fact of life. History says he's right, unfortunately.

Anyway, Ben didn't have to move to France.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 4 years ago

We have the same so-called 'democracy' that had been originally imposed.


The many are responsible for what they collectively allow the few to consistently do to them.


If We the People want to excercise democracy, we can.

Trans-Partisan Cooperative Voting http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Democracy disappeared, when Ford pardoned Nixon for the soon to be (R)epelican't party.

You should have been there. It was a very sad day.

It's even worse in the States now, with many States being run by virtual (R)epelican't tyrants usurping voter and State constitutional rights all over the country.

For example.


[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 4 years ago

This isn't a big deal. Forget Snowden. I don't know what particualr narrative Obama and Putin are trying to write. I get a 'secret agent man' vibe from both of them. They both seem to be happy with the 'big bad USA versus the homophobic Russians' thing. I'm OK with it. It's not like I'm planning to stay in the US for long and I sure ain't going to Russia.

Hey, USA, Russia, get over youselves already.