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Forum Post: POLL: Tea Party, Occupy Movements Fail to Capture Americans' Hearts

Posted 11 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 2:57 p.m. EST by Joyce (375)
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[-] 2 points by missy13ny (8) 11 years ago

No one is getting killed or raped at tea party rallies. If it did happen at tea party movements, it would be ALL over the news, not to mention the fact that Maxine Waters would NOT be saying 'that's life and it happens'. Why is the Media so one-sided?

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 11 years ago

"The majority of Americans (60%) also continue to perceive bias, with 47% saying the media are too liberal and 13% saying they are too conservative, on par with what Gallup found last year. The percentage of Americans who say the media are "just about right" edged up to 36% this year but remains in the range Gallup has found historically."


[-] 0 points by 99time (92) 11 years ago

Public Religion Research Institute?

Founded 2009, given instant credibility by the big TV syndicate: "Since our founding in 2009, PRRI research has become a standard source of trusted information among journalists, opinion leaders, scholars, clergy, and the general public. PRRI research has been cited in over 600 media stories" http://publicreligion.org/about

Funded by Ford Foundation http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/grantdetails?grantid=9227

Cited for blatantly biased polls http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/cchmielenski/march-31-2010/new-religion-poll-tries-debunk-zogby-poll-limiting-respondents-c

Can I see the RAW DATA please?

Here's a slightly better poll for you to chew on. "across all political affiliations, a majority of those polled agreed with the general purview of Occupy Wall Street (81% of Democrats, 58% of Republicans and Independents)" http://www.observer.com/2011/10/poll-new-yorkers-support-occupy-wall-street-but-wont-hit-obama-on-economy

This makes you wonder about the Huffington Post too.

[-] 0 points by Restorefreedomtoall1776 (272) from Bayonne, NJ 11 years ago

The American heroes of the Revolutionary War would have been extremely grateful for that much support. Among the American colonists, support for King George III was wide spread. Benjamin Franklin's own son was a traitor who aided and supported King George III. It has been ordained by future history that the OWS cause will prevail, and within 3 years time. However, we will NOT have a cake walk to victory because many heroic young men and women will die while defending the cause of our ultimate liberty. And those who survive and our descendants will revere their honored memories as long as our restored Republic lasts. I bow my head in reverence for their future sacrifice

[-] 0 points by humanprogress (55) 11 years ago

What kind of an observation is that? The number of people who show-up at OWS rallies is a clear sign that Occupy is successful!

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 11 years ago

Occupy is successful, as it is a truly Global movement with a major presence in every world city. It is huge in places like OccupyVienna, OccupyMadrid, OccupyToronto and even OccupyMelbourne.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 11 years ago

65 thousand fans show up weekly at our local college to cheer on their football team. It has not made them "successful". Sheesh

[-] 0 points by Royksopp (89) 11 years ago

I just had a rally where anyone who beleives in my ideas stays home and/or goes to work today. There I just beat OWS. And by next year (aside from being a historical footnote and the STD's and pregnancies involved) My action will have been just as effective.

OWS is less than .001% of the population claiming to speak for the 99% (which is both Ironic AND stupid considering they're fighting the "unfair minority" of the 1%)

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 11 years ago

it shows that they're stupid and easily manipulated

[-] 0 points by OccupyLink (529) 11 years ago

The Occupy Movement is Global, whereas the Tea Party Movement is only American. The Tea Party issues only affect Americans, whereas all of us are affected by greedy Bank Executives. That is why there is no Tea Party outside of the US, but there are plenty of Occupy Movements both inside and outside the US.

[-] 0 points by Royksopp (89) 11 years ago

Actually the movements in other countries were just called political occupations, and existed before most of the OWS crowd was born. OWS is a brand name as it espouses philosphies/methods that ONLY exist in the US OWS movements. The others don't subscribe to the same phiosophy and would hate most of the OWS crowd based on their ideology.

This is another case of OWS trying to speak for the 99% where they're not even .001%. (or in this case the globe) That is where there's such a backlash in the media, not because "The big bad man is out to get OWS" but becuse OWS has proven that "making a scene" is all they're capable of action wise.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 11 years ago

Royksopp. Do you think so? I can only speak for OccupyEdinburgh. It is a spinoff from OWS for sure. Actually, the overseas groups love what OWS is doing, and we support them wholeheartedly. You are right about the .001%, but I think the public understand the concept of the 1%. You have to remember that some Banks pay out something like 30 billion for just for Christmas bonuses for their big bosses. That is bigger than the entire stock capital base of the entire Boeing Corporation!

[-] 1 points by Royksopp (89) 11 years ago

one of the reasons there's a backlash to OWS is that they focus on "OMG!! Bank paid billions in xmas bonuses, Boycott the bank, sit-in on the bank, Bank is EVIL!!" as opposed to "Here are the policies that need to be reformed to insure the only way banks can give out millions in bonuses is if they were responsible in getting to that point in the first place" I talked to some of my friends in Swords who went to Dublin and they said the people there didn't know that OWS wants to enforce the whole "Horizontal or nothing, direct democracy or nothing" stance, then when they looked at most of the agenda items they said "Oh these don't represent us at all, we just agree on the really big issues as being important to discuss" So what you really have is the brand/franchise "OWS" and a bunch of other political movements who don't know what OWS is actually about and just use Occupy as a easy umbrella. One of the guys I talk to in a band in Egypt flat out said that based on their structure, OWS would be hated there as much as the government.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 11 years ago

There is only a backlash against OWS from the Bank. The reform is not to pay out bonuses in the first place. This is a relatively new idea in the past 20 or so years. People used to be satisfied to be paid around $100,000 a year 20 years ago, as Bank Managers. Now they call themselves all sorts of stupid titles like Senior Executive Directors and give themselves $3 million in salary and another $30 million or so in cash bonuses and stock options. The job is not complex. In fact, it was harder 20 years ago, as there were not the same computer systems and back up staff around as there are now.

[-] 1 points by Royksopp (89) 11 years ago

No,.not really. In the USA there is HUGE backlash from the "REAL" 99%ers saying "YOU DON'T REPRESENT ME!!!" it's just not a "in your face occupy" type backlash so you may fail to notice it. It's in all the pages not 100% dedicated to OWS (read almost all the other pages that discuss the issue) Go read forums and aside from the OWS crowd (who can spend time posting 2000times a day per person) you'll see the posts from the "rest" of the 99% and their message is pretty clear. "OWS represents OWS,...the .001%ers" As for the bank, by your logic, if they bank still engaged in it's unfair business practices but they didn't pay out big bonuses (maybe just tucked that money away in some account for later) then OWS wouldn't care about it anymore.

The REAL problem isn't that "Dave makes a million for doing nothing" Hey Dave negotiated bonuses well, more power to him! the problem is that the Bank was allowed (through HORRIBLE government policy) to pay Dave AND bankroll the upgrade for a new private jet, while they still hadn't been held accountable for the money they owe the taxpayers. And the Government hadn't been held accountable for the crap deals and policy they just give the banks like candy.

If OWS thinks it can address "Some people get paid more (in some cases insane amounts more) than some other guy does for the same job,...then they need to completely dismantle All financial and government institutions and start from scratch. And as THAT (like most of the OWS rhetoric) is unrealistic) one of the new, better, more realistic, better informed, more in-step with the real socio-political realities will emerge and do things right, with a nod to OWS for getting the ball rolling and nothing more, something like Proclamation99 will take all the "other" 99er's that actually understand these issues.

Right now OWS just seems to be angry at "The bad old rich man for being rich" and insisting that somekind of communism/anarchist BS is the way to go to "fix the world". ( A message that might have some weight if they could actually keep thier message streight from one city block to the next, which (in the US at least) they can't

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 11 years ago

What you are stating here is the sort of attitude these Wall Street Banking Executives also have. "Hey Dave negotiated these bonuses". This is the sort of "to hell with you selfish greedy" attitude that the OWS people like myself hate, and what we are protesting for. It won't be over until these crimes are paid for in full.

[-] 1 points by Royksopp (89) 11 years ago

So keeping in mind salespeople ususally work on high commision/bonus% and low base. If I have a business and I say "Ok Dave Your commission is 2% with an annual bonus of up to 20% if you sell some MAJOR accounts. Dave sells 300K worth of accounts/deals...gets commision and a bonus. 100% ok to OWS. Dave sells several multimilliondollar accounts/deals, gets his commision and bonus and is now hitler.... Nope I don't get it because at NO POINT did dave's bonus make YOU earn less that year. Dave has a better job than you, Dave works at a better company than you, Dave is richer than you, Dave is exactly as "deserving" as you are.

If your saying "We just need communism where Dave can't make a million if I only make 30K no matter how good/skilled/etc.. he is,..just man up and say it. If Making lots of money = bad to OWS then it better get used to the sound of crickets.

[-] -1 points by raines (699) 11 years ago

if fascism is what you want, ows is for you.