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Forum Post: Pharma Phraud

Posted 3 months ago on March 21, 2019, 10:50 a.m. EST by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX
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What are the limits to property rights of individuals or corporations?

I own a patent on a drug that will cure a virus that's projected to kill ten percent of the world's population. The drug costs 10 cents per dose to produce. One dose will cure an individual of the virus. May I charge $10,000 per dose, because I have an intellectual property monopoly, though hundreds of millions will die because they can't afford the drug?

No reasonable person would permit such evil. And there it is: we know there are limits to property rights. We can now begin the discussion of how exactly we will set them.

Keep in mind that big Pharma's claims about the cost of research fail to acknowledge government funding (taxes on workers and borrowed SS trust fund monies) directly or through contracts to them for the work. In the end they get the benefit and the patents we pay for. Their biggest real cost is advertising.

Then there's Pharma's choices of which drugs to push. The billions spent advertising boner pills is just one example of private enterprise waste and frivolous activity. Big Pharma is big fraud.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Rule of Thumb = Follow The Money! These cost increases of 1,000's of % - go somewhere - & I would bet that "that" somewhere is into Executive pay & Bonuses as well as Board of Directors & Share holders & NOT into equipment or facilities or researchers or production or distribution or or or. Can you say Cayman Islands?

Same for rise in cost of insurance and medical procedures &&&&

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Med/Pharma the #2 threat to existence! The FIRE sector is #1. When those 2 are communitized their threats will be neutralized. Then we'll have started on the real task: making the world fit for human habitation again!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

We will know when we start making progress - as - toxic drugs will be pulled and access to Marijuana for pain killing, insomnia, nausea, epilepsy and treating other ailments will be Nationwide.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

I'll smoke to that!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

;-) hopefully one day soon! Another initiative that needs to be put on a Ballot for the "Public" to decide!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

Smoking is terrible for your body. I knew people who were consuming cannabis. I didn't think that it had hampered them greatly in their everyday functionings so I believe that the heavy U.S. penalties for the possession and consumption of small amounts of cannabis were likely overboard.

Nonetheless, I object to smoking of any kind, whether cannabis or otherwise. It damages the lungs and likely much more. I believe that cannabis definitely has medicinal value, similarly as various deadly toxins and poisons being pharmaceutically valuable for neuro-numbing, blood-clot-dissolving, pain-killing, etc. effects.

I contracted outhouse-phobia ever since I had visited the fly-buzzing-around non-flushed public toilet on a tour which I suspect was my Brother's veiled attempt to down-source the stinky chamber-pot-cleaning duty to me (a curious "Wall-Street"{I feel that the walls of the bathroom stalls lined up together resemble this high-finance dumping ground well -- "when you have to go, you have to go."} bottom-oriented preschooler.) There could be deadly venomous spiders hiding under the rim of the toilet seat, ready to pounce on the hapless flies buzzing into there. Of course, they may mistake my bare bottom as an alien UFO invading their shitty realm and attack me from below. Then I succumb to their neurotoxins, releasing my load, falling into the stinky pit, dead with the soiled "I have nothing to hide" underwear -- oh, crap! What a recurring nightmare.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

how about edibles?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Munchies that give one the Munchies?

Huh

Possible treatment for Anorexia?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

A Brownie zinger? I already like Brownies - can they really be better? I'm willing to find out.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

Eating the cannabis edibles should be better than smoking the lungs as if they were dead salmons to be preserved for being eaten in the winter.

In the 1970s, I researched cannabis for a school assignment. I vaguely recall that the THC in cannabis affected the testicles of laboratory animals. I doubt that sperm quality is of paramount importance for the ones who have "been there, done that." Even evolution doesn't care anymore what happens to the people beyond their reproductive years because many self-repairing mechanisms created by evolution seem to wind down once the sex hormones wane. There are certainly ways to keep the level of sex hormones relatively high. The simplest of which is to have sex more frequently than many older people nowadays are having. Sex is a moderately strenuous exercise but as long as it's not too far-out and kinky physically (don't injure anyone!) it improves health (lone masturbation may be the sexual activity with the least societal impact in terms of STIs or emotional bond disruptions that may lead to violence.) Having sex is akin to keeping a car ready for action by driving it a bit vigorously every few days to recirculate the fluids and recharge the battery. A car that isn't driven every few days breaks down much faster than one that is.

Cannabis should only be eaten in moderation, too. It does have a very long history of being eaten so I suspect that it is probably rather benign. I'm generally not one seeking black-and-white dichotomies. The context and intention are more important to me. A venomous snake's neurotoxins can kill but they can alleviate pain in the proper context. A vampire bat's saliva can prevent blood clot from forming but a purified form of its active ingredient may be life-saving if someone's blood vessel may be plugged up by a blood clot. Venomous snakes and vampire bats are scary and loathesome creatures alright but embedded in the proper contexts they can save life and make it better.

Fire was an ancient example that has propelled Homo to greatness. It's about the explosions harnessed for human and humane ends. What's at the heart of a train, an automobile, an aircraft, or a rocket? Explosions, big and small galore! ... CONTROLLED ...

Lightning is another example so we have controlled lightning in our homes as electricity. Most people complain (and loudly after a few days) if this very dangerous (if uncontrolled or out of control) lightning no longer exists in their homes. I saw the danger of electricity firsthand when my Dad was working near a live electrical outlet with a screwdriver. It drew blue sparks and a loud bang. Then I saw that the side of the tip of the screwdriver had been melted and it formed a blister of steel. Impressive!

When there were hundreds of oil wells set on fire by Saddam Hussein and his defeated army which was retreating from Kuwait, how were the fires put out? Explosions.

Three components/conditions are needed to create a chemical-based explosion: fuel, oxidant, and ignition. Fuel can just about be any combustible material, finely divisible for good mixing. Oxidant can be any of many oxidizing materials such as perchlorates, nitrates, liquid oxygen, etc. which holds oxgyen in higher-density-than-gas form. Ignition is basically a spark that achieves the activation energy to start and propagate the chemical reaction between the fuel and the oxidant. Usually, the militaries collect and store stabilized mixtures of fuels and oxidants. Alfred E. Nobel discovered using diatomaceous-earth stabilization. ALL interactions between fuel and oxidant are CONTACT-BASED (no god of any kind here; nor any mysterious Newtonian "force from a distance;" but what matter are the atoms' and molecules' surface-electric-charge-densities which rule most of our macroscopic world) so the more intimate the contact, the more numerous the interactions and the faster the consumption of the fuel and oxidant (efficient quantities, i.e., no-leftovers, of which can be determined by the method of stoichiometry using the atomic weights from the periodic table of chemical elements) into combustion products (usually gaseous and very hot for their molecules' great kinetic energies and hence volume when expanded into the lower-pressure surrounding environment, material, or atmosphere.) The ignition required to start the explosion needs to be easily achieved and spread quickly on command. Ignition usually comes from easily triggered unstable compounds in a detonator. Welcome to the Nobel Club of "Prometheans."

There was a physical basis for the Anbar Awakening in Iraq. As I should reiterate again, "Everything is physical and discrete (since action is quantized to multiples of Planck's Constant divided by 4 pi, i.e., h/4π, phase space is tessellated), governed by the law of [instantaneous] conditional probabilities in the past, present, and future so retrocognition and precognition are all possible in our very own individual time machine, our brain, which can navigate the contributing-factors' web of events as prejudiced by our particular choice of labelling its parts as our past-, present-, and future-temporal sections." The underlying mathematics is that for permutations, combinations, invariances, projective components, and about Pascal's Triangle. Although everything is discrete at the lowest-complexity level (each occupant of which is only localizable using the higher-energy measuring probes,) a statistical averaging process creates smoothed quantities as important variables of consideration. For example, a collection of electrons are aggregated to form a flow of electric current. It's similar to flock(s) of starlings being aggregated to form wavy cloud(s) of flying avians in the sky in which the Pauli Exclusion Principle states that no two starlings occupy the same position (to avoid collisions.)

Randomness can give rise to structure if constraints are imposed. For example, the crowning glory of Chemistry is the Periodic Table of the Chemical Elements but it had just arisen in principle from randomly throwing a number of electrons near central positively charged atomic nuclei constraining where the electrons can be.

I saw a supreme law governing the universe when I was adding milk to a round cup of hot tea. The surface of the tea in the cup allows tea waves to bounce around. At certain frequencies of shaking the cup, different standing waves' patterns can occur. They are lower-dimensional analogues of the electronic orbitals of the atoms. There were circular harmonics of various energies analogous to the spherical harmonics. As the milk is added drop by drop to the tea, diffusion of the milk happens revealing that the diffusion equation applies to the tea.

If we use imaginary (better yet, a bivector of unit area instead of the imaginary unit, i for mathematicians and physicists but j for electrical engineers and Python programming language) time, we obtain Schrödinger's equation which literally is a diffusion equation with imaginary time, the solutions of which for a centralized spherically symmetric electric field gave rise to the ziggurat-like electronic structures of the chemical elements in a Periodic Table of them. In order to build an upside-down-ziggurat-like electronic structure for an atom, the Aufbau Principle just asks one to set half-kernels of peanuts representing electrons with up or down spins randomly (but preferably the lowest being filled first to minimize the overall collective total of energies) into a slanted (no slanting if only a single half-kernel is put to construct hydrogen's electronic structure in its ground state or an excited state) stack of Ferrero-Rocher transparent plastic boxes subject to the condition of at most two half-kernels being in a single dimple that was holding one ball of the delicious chocolate candy. Two half-kernels occupying the same dimple must face in the opposite up or down directions so one must be facing up while the other one is facing down (as dictated by Wolfgang Pauli's Exclusion Principle.) The ultimate fate of the universe is the heat death (actually more appropriately the lukewarm becoming the extremely cold and dark death, just like a cup of stale cold tea with nothing happening anymore, i.e., no more heat due to no more temperature gradient.)

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 months ago

'I doubt that sperm quality is of paramount importance for the ones who have "been there, done that....'

Cannibis, LSD, Peyote, Cocain, heroin and crack at one time or many others. Two of my children have Masters degrees, one is a dual certified school teacher and the fourth has a JD from Berkeley and practices law in CA.

My oldest grandchild is 14, she's an advanced violinist, a soccer star, a voracious reader and appears in four locally produced plays each year. #3 plays cello, soccer and does the same theater. There's another cellist and other talents among them.

None or my children or grandchildren show any signs of genetic disorders. Nor do they ramble and wander in their discourse like a scatter brained twit who can't follow an idea for more than a sentence or two without diverting themselves onto tangential meanderings.

I don't know if you're problem is due to a chemically poisoned environment or damaged genes but I think imbeciles like you should just shut the fuck up!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Natural Mind Expansion - look at the creativity it has inspired! These Natural Stimulants have been under attack for decades (centuries actually) - with false reports made against them - by frightened individuals(?) who are afraid to explore new Human Capabilities(?) or are frightened because a growth in enlightenment might put an end to greed and various abuses of the environment as well as abuses of the general population?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 months ago

I think Allen Alda as Hawkeye Pierce said that fear and greed were the prime human motivators.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33733) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

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[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

Not just for human beings but for starlings, too. There are hunting bird(s) driving how the starlings flock, probably the hawks. The starlings also fought back at times in numbers in "the land of the free" and "the home of the brave."

It seems that the smaller countries such as Denmark and Austria which are core remnants of former great empires that were embedded into the N.A.T.O. security alliance are often near the top on the global happiness scale. I think that a Dane's remark in resignation that Denmark hasn't won a war in hundreds of years has something to do with the happiness of "having let go." I can relate to the sentiment because my Mom told my Brother to take care of me everywhere he went or he would be grounded (to stay at home, yep, a form of imprisonment for a teenager!) and I absolutely in no way could beat him in a fight so we understood well our mutual interest in an amicable or maybe a bit of favor-trading relationship for "roaming." I didn't let our "license to roam" lapse and I enjoyed his "license-fee" offerings. It's nice to have a Big Brother who had money to spend together on roaming after he had started working. Maybe I was like a small pet dog for him to walk around with and the other "dog" owners could talk about "the dogs" to break the ice to socialize with him. Young women seemed to be attracted by a young ¿nurturing? man who took care of a little brother. Hmm, as I come to think of it, was this the real reason why he didn't mind buying me ice-cream cones and chewing gums?

The U.S. had the linguistic and cultural homogeneity of a very small country born on the East Coast with political unity despite its religious diversity embedded into its Constitution. It simply grew very big by expanding into the ancient biological kill zone (horses and American camels were all North American in origin but they had largely been wiped out in their home ranges; my hypothesis is the supervolcano; could it have caused climate change or through the volcanic ash the increased silica grittiness in the grasses eaten by the horses? if horses crossed Beringia to reach northeastern Asia from Alaska, why didn't they move to Manchuria so that they wouldn't have historically been introduced from the West but from the Northeast into China?) and cemetery surrounding the Yellowstone supervolcano, and the West Coast once gold had been discovered in California. We are mostly "parochial" in mentality ( usually a good thing for the world due to our non-aggressive tendency to withdraw into isolationism or is it actually ¿absenteeism? because we don't mind people visiting us but we have quite a ¿terrible? record of not wanting to lead or become an integral part of our own initiatives; being a sleep-at-home juggernaut usually contributes to world peace; I think it's best if we speak clearly but move reservedly unless a critical point is reached; a slow-moving clear-speaking juggernaut gets fewer people killed {already four U.S. personnel in Manbij, Syria due to a rogue tweet to undermine U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson who had actually conferred with our Middle-Eastern allies before his assuring them of "U.S. indefinite stay in Syria" : don't speak while chewing a full-mouthful of the dodoturd from DUMBO's "Pebble" Beach} ) but a very important country in the world (a very humongous continental-size province with nearly a quarter of the world's total production and alone spending about 40% of the world's total military budget -- the ash from the Yellowstone supervolcano and the topsoil scraped by ice-age glaciers from Canada combined to make this ancient kill zone/cemetery the fertile breadbasket or coffin for growing the big black "coffin crickets" that can win the Pokémon Championship for their Tomb Raiders by chewing the antennae and legs off of their opponents.) Having been a very small pet dog to my Big Brother, I consider it very important that the elephants learn how to do the nutcracker ballet properly without the crudeness of caveman culture, by tiptoeing among the tulips. The goal is to attain for all, the universal human rights to which countries have agreed, to be backed up by any and all means available, including but not limited to the International Bill of Human Rights.

If the starlings be viewed as electrons in a electrical current, the hawks may be viewed as anions having higher negative electric charge(s) than the electrons. Their mutual interaction results in the choreography of the dance of the electrons with the anions.

Science starts with coming up with measurable quantities (such as VIX for investors' fear and forward price/earning ratios of stocks for their greed) and gathering real-world statistics of them (such as stock prices and earnings reflected in the Standard & Poor 500s,) using mathematical variables to represent them to form multidimensional (each variable being one dimension mapped to a bar with a sliding scale on it like that of a slide rule) agglomerations that obey certain laws which are in essence a collection of successful recipes (often written in the language of multidimensional-variable/multivariate calculus.)

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

Hell engendered the great creativity in New York: NY 77: Part 2. NY 77: Part 3.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

The topic of the mind-altering drugs remains controversial after more than four decades since my school assignment, which was not of my own choosing. I learnt that some Hispanic people were very much against the drugs. I concede my ignorance of the drugs to them and probably to you, too. The youth of the 1970s (my cohort) were sort-of sitting on the fence of wondering whether cannabis should be legalized as a recreational drug.

As you have already recognized, I didn't need to take any external drugs (internally we are ALL natural-born dopeheads; this was the reason why I doubted the 1990s' assertion of Big Pharma about opiods taken while having pain being non-addictive but there were long-enduring social problems associated with the opiods such as morphine, heroin, etc. initially claimed to be non-addicting but had always failed since the nineteenth century; "extraordinary claim calls for extraordinary proof" so "what were the novel biochemical mechanisms for the Big Pharma opiods' non-addictive properties?" I wanted a physical explanation but I didn't get it {it's no shame to admit my obtuseness as I've learnt from a kid who had blurted out, "I DON'T get it. The Emperor is NAKED!" In the U.S., we can put lipstick on a pitbull but when sniffed on K-9 Buttbook social media at the arboreal or fire-hydrant kiosks, it is still just a bitch as the applier was not bottom-oriented enough so the lipstick was put on the wrong end -- it's not K-9 Mouthbook social media;} addiction is a vital mechanism of motivation, drive, pleasure, enjoyment, habit-forming, ambition, confidence, etc., i.e., "what makes us tick;" we are all addicted to most of these: dopamine, acetylcholine, serotonin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, endorphines, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, etc.) to have my mind altered. I picked up a small plastic bag of what I now know to be cannabis from the sidewalk next to a playground. I was then a newly arrived-in-Manhattan-from-abroad kid so I didn't know what it was but it looked like some dried weed so I just left it there (I agree with the observation that each generation achieves higher IQ than the previous; my ¡acculturated!? kid insisted that I not use the term "marijuana" but the precise botanical term "Cannabis" from Latin itself, not just a Latin-derived-culture, which term I didn't even know how to spell correctly and probably messed up others, too; I don't know vulgar/common Latin but from its imprints on its many descendants and its substantive influence on the West Germanic languages of modern English and German.) A diverted NYC subway train can take one to a "strange" (classified for political correctness, as directed by the longtime Manhattanites) neighborhood.

My cohort in the 1970s extremely narrowly decided that cannabis should be legalized as a recreational drug (but only for adults; I didn't like the somewhat arbitrary age limit as we were all near-adults but the counter argument was that we restricted both alcohol and tobacco so we should do the same to cannabis since it was often smoked, potentially damaging the lungs; our cohort was already cognizant of the dangers of tobacco, despite what the tobacco industry was advertising.) Our generation did try to grapple with some serious policy issues (e.g., gun control was another issue that we had wrestled with; it's déjà vú for me in these days of notorious gun violence.) We were not in charge though. Edward I. Koch, the Mayor did say to the imbeciles (such as my cohort @2:46,) "Fuck them." While "the World is watching," New York has "been there, done that." NY 77: The Coolest Year in Hell - Part 5. Yeah, World, you are not alone -- with some efforts, this too shall pass.

"I am American!" because I drank the water without boiling it first but straight from the bubblers/drinking fountains at school. Now am I as leaden as leader?

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[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

The best way for people to control medical/pharmaceutical costs is to never get sick. The human body is nothing more than a bio-chemo-electro-mechanical machine with some slightly effective self-repairing mechanisms.

We should maintain it in the same way we maintain our machines. Cars, ships, airplanes, etc. have ALL been improved in their effectiveness, reliability, and longevity. We already know a great deal about how to maintain good human health (don't exceed limits to incur unnecessary sports injuries; keep airflow, waterflow, foodflow, bloodflow, peeflow, shitflow through the body smooth; almost everyone can afford airflow and waterflow everyday! I pity India and China for being unable to provide their people with good clean air and water; of course, we in the U.S. make sure that we feed our schoolchildren leaded water, too, to keep them putt-putting along smoothly, making "connections" on 18 holes with our Shittoad-in-Chief on Pebble Beach; our older people may still remember "the leaded gasoline" for better auto-engine performance in "every breath you take"; yeah, the tetraethyl lead, I used to love the smell of burning diesel -- it was like urban-center barbecue all-day long; my kid also had this trait [in addition to the ¿über? love of the smell of a skunk!] but I outgrew it -- the sick sense of smell must be a youth thing; the ancient Romans sweetened their wines by storing them in lead vessels; we being their neoclassical revival heirs do the same for our schoolchildren "Have you ever fucked while on [lead], Nick?" "It's nice!" it has almost become a motto to our perpetual warriors, fresh from drinking high schools' leaded water and fully leaden to pump lead [pumping iron is for non-U.S. patsies because lead is denser and brings out more aggression,] ready to follow and obey the leader.) Putting the knowledge into practice will alleviate the burden of the medical/pharmaceutical costs greatly.

Leonardo da Vinci obssessed about living beings including the human body. He found that "Man is a machine." It was several centuries ago. It still holds true today. Of course, there is still the soul of a new machine which is the new software. We can boot-up a dead human body using electricity akin to how we jumpstart a stalled car. This oneness of software and hardware in the configuration we call life is why cyberwars need kinetic responses to counteract. Software and hardware are interchangeable to a certain degree so kinetic defense is just a tradeoff.

An enemy is an enemy no matter whether they are destroying software or hardware or both. The essence is the malevolent intent. Mostly, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." We are not quite there yet with deep AI where the machines decide that human beings are just a troublesome infection to be killed off. Germany being so advanced in the area of ideas (Karl Marx who still haunts us, etc., were Germans) unsurprisingly reached that conclusion at least for certain segments of the German and Greater-German human population many decades ago. Well beyond deep AI, German is DEEP! I wasn't surprised that Albert Einstein was German-born (Swiss-citizen/patent-clerk, German professor, and American-refugee/professor/citizen) and MEASURED time on a basis of length as for space but preceding space itself. That idea was in the German language's grammar: ich gehe heute nach Hause. Wie lange warte ich? Es dauert NICHT lange. UND Es dauert SEHR lange. Die Zeit ist auch eine Dimension, die die Z-Achse ersetzt.

Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine cannot work with the DPRK due to its terrible human-rights record. The premise of the MAD doctrine is that a nuclear-armed nation cares about its population being destroyed by the enemy nation. DPRK treats its own population like shit. There's no reason to believe that its leader will care about the U.S. destroying its population, either, as long as the leader survives well. When dealing with land-avians with no external testicles to grab onto, the proper doctrine is to eat them before they peck at our kid's eyelash again. Our neighbors in the shantytown kept land-avians. One could fly (even to the top of a two-storey building!), squawk, and peck but it could not escape. Our neighbors ate it.

There was something morbid and nauseating about eating Sesame the chicken, my hand-raised pet, when I returned home from kindergarten. Mom should have kept her mouth shut or concocted a story about my pet's avid desire for freedom so it flew away with the English sparrows that had come to the patch of land next to the well in front of the forest flanking the brook to dine, and ate the meal of grains in companionship with Sesame. Now Sesame is somewhere free, playing happily with its newly found friends!