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Forum Post: Brothers and sisters you need to work harder, strive for admirable virtues and you will succeed.

Posted 9 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 11:16 p.m. EST by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY
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Do not be jealous of those who have more than you. Why don't you pick yourself up and go out and try to make a success of your life. You can do it if you lose the bitterness. Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

Obama gave all our $$$ to wall street, Detroit unions, acorn, planned parenthood, etc.

Obama is the root cause of all of this.

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[-] 9 points by bobonit (59) 9 years ago

Where did you get that Kool Aid?

That is some powerful stuff. I hope it makes you feel good, because it sure is making you detached from reality.

Have you ever tried using truth to convince somebody of your belief? Yeah I know your belief is backed by right wing propaganda, not truth

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

you drank the lib kool aid...given out @ MSNBC...and by the NYT. no truth.. only lefty lies. and accusations and name calling. so predictable yawn, dull.

[-] -3 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I got the Kool Aid at Pathmark.

[-] 4 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

You really believe honesty is the path to success in this country? You are either a naive imbecile or a lying scumbag.

[-] 4 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

Obama is the root cause of this? Actually queenann, get your facts straight...turn off fox news for a second. BUSH got the ball rolling on this one, doll. We all ( Or I'm assuming the majority of people protesting ) just want to earn a decent living. Provide for our families without being smacked by the inflated gas, food, housing, and general living expenses. We all know you have to work hard in order to get success. Some of us have already had success and it was taken from us. Don't assume you know everything as your username implies. Thanks.

[-] -2 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

no problem. thanks for sharing. have a blessed day.

[-] 2 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

If you want to patronize go to a damn homeless shelter, they could do better listening to your verbal diarrhea.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

good night darling...maybe medication would benefit you, and those who have to be with you.

[-] 3 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

So, you hate our BLACK President, right? It makes your skin crawl huh?

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Please don't post anymore....too dull

[-] 3 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

The market collapses before he takes office- he implements Bush's plans to handle the affair and it is Obama's fault?. I don't love Obama but let's at least have some intellectual honesty here.

[-] 0 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Ummmm... Hoover's policies are widely cited as the reason why the panic of 1929 turned into a depression... he let the banks fail. The Bush administration bailed out the banks so we would not suffer a second depression. It was to save OUR tails, and the bankers got some unfortunate benefit.

Bush never even SUGGESTED bailing out Chrysler and GM. Those bail-outs have nothing to do with saving OUR tails. They had everything to do with paying back Obama's union supporters !

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

As far as I'm concerned GM Capital used the line workers as bargaining chips. If you don't believe me, why is Ford Motors doing so well? I'd say it is because they were not allowed to form a credit racquet. If you expect to get truth out of any of the plethora of news agencies televised and printed, you don't know the American way very well.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

I believe Obama, behaving just like many before him from ALL parties, worked to bail-out GM and Chrysler to "pay back" his UAW supporters. Nothing new there.

I don't get your comment on what news sources I should trust. Should I trust YOU and the people on this FORUM ? From what I've seen, 99% of all "references" in this forum are simply pointers to someone stating the opinion they're are supporting.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

you can believe whoever you want. whether there is a news source backing my claim or not, I don't know. I just know that before the financial implosion Ford, GM and Chrysler were doing about the same. After the crisis, GM and Chrysler began to slump, while Ford, a company with out a financial arm, stayed competitive. So instead of letting the media do all my heavy thinking for me, I assumed that GM and Chrysler dropped their losses into their vehicle portfolio. Companies do it all the time. What makes those ones any different? If it's true, it's too big of a scandal to ever see the light of day. and that is why i said, "As far as I'm concerned" as a modifier.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Ford has always been stronger financially, and they were stronger in terms of sales (they sell a LOT overseas). They were thus able to get private equity and avoid government funds.

Why were be bailing out car companies anyway ? They didn't pose a systemic threat like the banks, and they ended up going bankrupt anyway (to break their union contracts).

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

that is BS. I remember when Ford tried to get into the same racket as its other two sisters and Congress told them no. The reasoning was that Ford were not viable enough. Try again, and remember you are talking to a C_span junky.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Check your "facts."

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

I'll concede that i don't know enough about the Chrysler and GM loans but I do know that Ford refused one because they were wary of the strings attached and because they were more solvent. From what i understand Hoover was kind of screwed from the start but I will claim ignorance on his presidency in particular because I do not know enough top intelligently argue it. Now- fast forward 70+ years where does that leave us? The GM and Chrysler loans certainly didn't put any measurable stress on the economy- they were piecemeal compared to what was dispersed to the finance industry.

[-] 0 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Actually, the largest bail-outs went to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We gave them $200 billion AND absorbed $5 TRILLION in loan guarantees. While nearly everyone else has paid us back (with a tidy profit to boot), there's no HOPE that we'll ever get paid back by Fannie and Freddie. Worse yet, they FUELED the housing bubble under political pressure by jacking up the conforming loan limit at an unprecedented rate. Even better ? The CEOs of Fannie/Freddie just got big bonuses from the US Government !

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Bailing out the banks for their fuck ups is antithetical to 'capitalism' Those who failed should have been dissolved and their assets sold to the highest bidder. Auctioned off just as any failed business or foreclosed home.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

I agree Fanny/Freddie = fucked. As for the banks many paid for their loans with other loans. For that matter I would have preferred that the banks failed. Chaos or no Chaos- No one is knocking my door down with other peoples money. Nor do I want them too. I guess it really does come down to ethics. I only want what I have earned. Compensation relative to my labor and my product. Oh and I don't want corporations and institutions determining the moral, ethical, or finacial future of my country which is made of men. I do not want wealth to drown out the voice of the multitudes as they say.

[-] 1 points by colonelingus (13) from Minneapolis, MN 9 years ago

No way-Barney Frank clearly stated that F and F where in fine shape. Its nothing but republican propoganda

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Gold star for Rico. Bestest replies here. God love you Rico.

[+] -4 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Bush was not so bad Obama is repulsive, and has a goal of destroying the USA.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

The country was well on it's way to destruction long before either of them took office. All this had to happen. The sooner the better I suppose. For that matter I question even the original intentions of this country. It is documented that there was a great deal of consternation in the framing. Many people were unhappy with the final document but saw it as a necessary compromise. Many more had it shoved down their throats but threat of violence. Personally I find nations to be a terrible waste of talented individuals but people still go for them so when in Rome.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I dont know what you are talking about. but you seem like a nice guy. we are lucky to live in the USA, best country in the world. America is exceptional ... love it or leave it.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

America is exceptional and I do love it. Honestly there is no other place I would rather be. BUT no matter how transparently false- I was promised that I was allowed to have an opinion and beliefs no matter how unpopular. I was also told that I had the right to ammend the system as I felt times deemed necessary. Unlike most people here I actually do put a great deal of thought into these problems. More of an occupation observer than supporter I still feel somewhat obliged to bring some troll spray to the forum because you have to admit, what with all the nazi posts and the Neo-con posts it is a bit crowded in this here forum.

Now where were we? Oh yes your success and financing. So either when you say you paid for 12-15 years of schooling to become a neurosurgeon you were independently wealthy- is that correct? My argument could take several paths if you could only confirm just how it is that you paid for so much schooling with no outside help. Also when did you graduate? The last 50 years have seen different economic periods and this also affects just how you were able to sustain not only life but extensive (and expensive) job training.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I paid for all under graduate and graduate medical degrees through student loans....TAP...some Pell grants...I just paid everything off. I went to a SUNY undergrad, to keep cost down. I have 6 brothers and sisters and they basically all financed their higher education, in the same way.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

By the way I spent a year in Alfred NY- lovely town. No I didn't attend college there- I washed dishes while my girlfriend went to college with the help of those loans.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Now that those student loans are less accessible what do you propose for those who would like to succeed with the aid of government backed loans but find them insufficient when the wages haven't kept up with the cost of living? Let me guess- work hard.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

got to community colleges and state colleges...smaller loans,,you can do it. Don't be such a quitter. .

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Queenann I never went to college because I never aspired to it. I am glad in the end that I didn't. I owe no one. I have worked all of my life. Though I have rarely gotten a fair shake I have always stuck it out. I am not whining for someone to pay my way. I don't even want the stinking loans darling. The only reason I ever got a bank account was because the system made it so hard to cash a paycheck that it is financially advantageous over other methods to cash a check. I didn't chose that condition I was forced or if you would like to be kind to the industry I was coerced into accepting.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh well, what are you going to do? live in a cave? One needs to work within our established systems. They are fine. We just need to fine tune them to eliminate/reduce corruption. I don't think college is the alpha and the omega.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Nor do I. I am fine with working within the relative frame we have been provided as long as no changes the rules arbitrarily. (happens all the time) What am I gong to do? The same thing I always have. Scrape bye on my wages. Make the best of it. I don't generally ahev the same needs as the average person- I don't need a house, or stability or promise. Te rest of the country and in fact the world would greatly appreciate it. I can't blame them.

[-] 2 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Now where were we- oh the government backed college loans. Almost sounds like socialism. Did you have any ethical qualms about borrowing from the rest of society to advance your own wellbeing? I know I did, It just didn't seem right to me. SO how many decades did it take to pay off your college debt?

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

Who the fuck are you to call people jealous and quitters you smug asshole. You condescending piece of shit. Go bankrupt another family stricken by tragedy.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

Guess what, your money came out of all of our paychecks. That's right, they take the money out of our paychecks, feed it to the insurance cabal, and then they dole it out to the likes of you. It's simply the process of deduction, we pay you, a lot, to take advantage of the sick and injured, who bear the brunt of your shameful business.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh please stop.. you don't seem to have a clue. don't be so jealous...you might feel better.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

Your only defense is to accuse me of jealousy. How fucking childish is that. I am above what you do, I could never sell out my principles, lucky for you you don't have any principles. Everything I said is true, and you know it, so you put up a smug front.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

You are to excited and angry to carry on an interesting dialogue with. you have made assumptions about me that are 100% false. calm down.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

You came here to make a lot of assumptions yourself. None of it is false. You are a parasite.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

name calling is the lowest form of dialogue. improve your debating skills. refrain from insults....it gets us nowhere.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

You have not answered a single one of my allegations, because you know they are all true. Now get back to compassionately bankrupting that tragedy stricken family.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

You seem to be having a bad weekend. Your writings and assumptions might be a projection of your own faults.

[-] 3 points by Sanchez (76) 9 years ago

The name on this says it all: a spoiled brat, no doubt, born with a silver spoon in her mouth. And then to confirm her ignorance, she blames everything on Obama. Such ignorance and stupidity for all to see. The lady has no self-respect. Methinks she needs re-education training out in some rice paddy.

[-] 2 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

She hates black people or she can't stand one being in power. Not sure which but that's my only conclusion.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

This is really a lame thought. If someone does not like Obama, they are racist ?

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I am a sister....Don't play the race card... If you are not fun and imaginative, just read please.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I have worked hard since I was very young. No silver spoon. No hand outs, no food stamps, no welfare checks. Have a nice weekend.

[-] 3 points by Sanchez (76) 9 years ago

and yet, and yet, you somehow think you are superior, better. i suggest you go out and help a homeless person today and humble yourself; remember Jesus washing the feet of the less fortunate and such; you know your bible, right? here's the problem with being nice: lots of people are nice, i am sure the wall street con artists are nice, so what?; in fact, the word nice use to mean stupid about four hundred years ago; i suggest you take your religion, your so-called spirituality more seriously and actually do something for your fellow man and woman instead of endlessly consuming bullshit and showing off to your friends

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

God helps those who help themselves. Pray for potatoes, but grab the hoe.

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

That phrase originated from Algernon Sydney, and then Ben Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanac...come on now, at least Google this stuff before posting it. The Bible teaches that God helps the poor, needy, and sick. Are you high?

[-] 1 points by Sanchez (76) 9 years ago

Spoken like a prima dona. There but for Fortune (Phil Ochs).

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

and it's 1 , 2 ,3 , 4 . what are we fighting for? don't tell me. I don't hive a damn. Next stop is Vietnam. and it's 5, 6, 7, 8 . open up the pearly gates.

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

The Bible does not say that God helps those who help themselves.

In fact, it equates having two shirts to stealing on from the poor. Christ says to give to the one who begs from you. In fact, there is more about debt forgiveness, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and helping the less fortunate than there is about anything else in the entire Book.

Jesus goes so far that he equates HIMSELF to the poor that you are or are not helping.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

The USA has the richest poor people on the planet. 86% of those described as poor from 20 years ago, have risen to the middle class. The poor we have today are either addicts or reproducing irresponsibly. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

I am missionary, and what you are saying is a pure lie.

Why don't you try having out under an overpass or at a motor lodge and see for yourself who the poor really is. It will surprise you.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Are some of these part of the many sex offenders living under overpasses....because they must live in restricted areas? they do not wish to follow the laws restricting pedophiles. .

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

There are sex offenders in suburbs. Hell, I'd almost guarantee that there are sex offenders in political office and Wall Street as well!

Because one jerk does something wrong does not mean that all people who might fit into a similar category are also guilty of the same wrong. That is how racism and other prejudices are created.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

How come the illegal aliens can get ahead, own property, and earn $$? wake up. Soon you'll be working for them.

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

Where did this come from? Take another hit, queenie. You're doing great.

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

Are you changing the subject because you cannot articulate an argument?

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

That's a yes, then.

(It won't let me reply directly to that comment)

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

no...Just got bored with your irrelevant replies.

[-] 3 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

Fractional reserve lending is criminal - counterfeit - fraud - theft - http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-objective-1-fractional-reserve-lending-is-a-cr/

Obama may not be doing the best but he is not the cause of this - that statement is stupid.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

He's a a big, huge part of this whole mess. what are you smoking? The guy is so corrupt.. in bed with all the unions.. He accepted lotsa $$ from wall street. Gave wallstreet/Detroit unions big bail out. WISE UP.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

and perry, romney cain and so on are not accepting money from unions an wal street? are you an idiot?

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 9 years ago

Hey, retard: Barack Obama has been in office since 2009. Do you really believe that this nation's economic problems started in 2009??? LOLOLOLOL!!! Come on, admit it--that's EXACTLY what you believe. Just say it--we'll only laugh at your expense for a little while and then leave you alone...it won't be that bad...

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Have a great day !

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 9 years ago

LOL! Yes, have a great day eating and watching TV and not giving a shit about anyone but yourself!

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

I deal in facts. Do you have any? Cite a source.

Fractional reserve lending is objectively a crime, it is not subjectively a crime.

This economic catastrophe was brought about by investment bankers who provided adjustable rate mortgages to at risk borrowers, often on purpose knowing that they would default.

The facilitation for investment banks to use and abuse is a consequence of the repeal of glass-stegall act, spearheaded by republicans gramm-leach-bliley act at the behest of citigroup.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Since you deal in facts, then you can certainly point me to the law that declares fractional reserve lending to be a crime.

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

Counterfeit is a crime; I do not think that anyone needs to prove that there is a law against it.

It simply remains non prosecuted - http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-objective-1-fractional-reserve-lending-is-a-cr/

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Specious argument. Counterfeiting is a crime as only the government is empowered to print money, and there is a law defining it as such.

You most certainly DO need to point to a law if you want to be factual in saying that fractional reserve lending is a crime. You can keep spouting your opinion all you want, but get off the "objective facts" soap-box.

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

If you are incapable of adding or multiplying that seems like a personal problem.

All that have been explained how the system works agree - it is counterfeit and fraud.

The problem is that not enough actually understand how it works and it is accepted out of ignorance.

So put up a straw man it will not dissuade the inevitable.

Indeed, you are welcome to prove that it is not counterfeit or fraud, although it is quite obvious to the contrary that it is.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Right. So you have dropped your "factual" assertion that it is a crime.

I would argue international finance and monetary policy with you, but I've tried to engage your ilk with facts many times in these forums, and I now admit it's a waste of time. Armed with legions of YouTube posts, books written by authors who cater to those that want to hear an agreeable opinion, and unwilling to do the hard work required to actually understand the topic, your legions of supporters are positive they have found the grand conspiracy and are incapable of rational discussion.

No number of uninformed men who agree can make truth of falsehood. The multitude of popular shows and books about ghosts, UFOs, paranormal activity, astrology, etc do not prove the existence of the unreal, they simply prove that there's money to be made in talking about it. You are their willing victim.

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

I am more than open minded and exceptional in my abilities to investigate and understand, if you have facts then cite them, as your ad hominem is worthless.

Further, as a minor regress, or redress, given an assertion that the government is in fact printing money based upon issuances of debt, upon which banks are authorized to acquire usury interest, then there is nothing more sinister than its special endowment.

Whereby, there is no relief worth rendering from the public to either the banks or the government for the overt dishonesty, deceit, and prejudicial disparity against a fair and equal opportunity.

My assertion is that it is not the case and that banks have, through their own selfish opportunism and corruption, engaged in the practice of counterfeit, which has yet to be confronted due to lack of public and governmental awareness.

Either way, the system will be rectified.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Please contact me here when the world collapses due to fractional lending.

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

Your ignorance is astounding.

My assertion is to continue fractional lending.

It does not however include provisioning the balance of all profits to banks.

"Your mother wears combat boots!"? I see, you cannot demonstrate an ethical evaluation or a numerical calculation or a legal foundation but you can resort to non sense.

Obviously, you are incapable of defending your inevitable claims that the IMF is the best thing since sliced bread.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Your mother wears combat boots !

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

get a life and stop watching msnbc. you make little sense.

blah, blah, blah

[-] 1 points by FreeRadical (157) 9 years ago

I do not watch TV news. I draw my own conclusions through research.

Here is one of the best descriptions as to how it happened - http://www.academicperspective.com/2009/10/19/an-american-financial-collapse-what-happened-on-wall-street/

queenann - in 1996 at the direction of HUD, F&F began to buy some (but not all) of the sub-prime mortgages, which were not the standard 30 year fixed required for GSEs, rather they were sub-prime trash of teaser rate adjustable rate mortgages (ARM) that the investment banks had issued. Investment banks quickly unloaded the responsibility to collect the debt (unlike the GSE responsibility) by fraudulently mixing and matching poorly rated securities through Collateralized Debt Obligations and marketed them as valued assets - all brought to us by the repeal of glass steagall act.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

It's even worse. Fannie and Freddie pursued the policies they did because of political pressure. See http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php and note that some of the top contributors to your representatives include the Realtors, carpenters, electricians, and laborers. Hmmm, which way do you suppose THEY voted with their dollars ? It's not just the "bansters" giving to the Republicans, it's also the Unions giving to the Democrats.

While I support campaign finance reform (see http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-the-people-in-order-to-a-proposal/ ), folks should note that WE are the ones who keep reelecting these scum, and we really don't NEED a new law to fix the problem.

[-] 3 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

no one is jealous of people who have more.no one cares if you live better than them .they just wanna live. why cant you people get that thru your heads

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

Because this way they can continue to deny there are any problems. Oh, and then try to get you to do their political dirty work at the same time.

[-] 0 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Perhaps everyone in OWS should do a stint with the Peace Corp in the Congo so they understand what "living" really means. Soooo many spoiled Americans lacking any perspective on the Human Condition. There are literally billions of people in the world who would do anything to live in the "unfair" system you whine about.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

you are advocating that america become a third world country before you see anything wrong. tin shanty towns and mud huts is your goal

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Nope. I'm arguing that the American Dream is a product of the American Character, an d that the loss of character has more to do with the reduction in the dream than anything else. WE caused EVERY problem people are complaining about here, yet NOBODY wants to accept even the smallest bit of PERSONAL responsibility for our current state. Whining children who have no clue how good they have it and want to blame all their problems on others.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

american character is just fine.. corporate character is the problem

[-] 2 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Really ? Is there a corporation making someone buy something from them ?

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

there are corporations making billions in the same foreign country we are giving billions to in foreign aid. you see whats wrong with that picture? so yes

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

So vote the people in power out and stop buying from corporations with policies you abhor.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

thats very hard to do.. do you even know who owns a company? ever heard of allgehny? they own J&J, dupont and about 5 other huge companies. bet you thought these companies were not owned by another company

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

Yes, putting your beliefs into action requires some work. This is as true of Capitalism as it is of Democracy. You are a generation blessed with the Internet. Use it.

Research all of the local retailers, restaurants, fast-food companies, gasoline companies, etc, that you do business with every day and stop using the ones who don't exhibit your values. Your safest bets are to use those that are locally owned wherever possible as that tends to keep funds in your community employing people, supporting your little leagues, schools, etc. This may require you pay a little more, but in doing so, you are saying your values are WORTH something to you.

Research your local representatives, visit their Facebook pages, and let them know how you feel. You will be surprised how responsive they can be insofar as you make rational statements backed by fact rather than sweeping opinions based on bias.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

I am afraid that due to Union agitation primarily it was a much better place to work in 1978 than it is today.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

right on Rico. have a great day!

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Amen Rico

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

who's stopping you from living...Go to school...get a job,,,work hard. Find your talent or passion...It's up to you to change your life. get going. you guys are hating and way negative...bummer to listen to.

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 9 years ago

You think THIS is hating? LOL...you ain't seen nothing yet. Why do lazy, shallow, TV- and sugar-addled eaters like you ALWAYS insist on finding out things the hard way?

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Have a great day. thanks for the feed back. God bless us all. Get Obama out.

[-] 2 points by Lexicaholic (8) 9 years ago

Queenann, I have to assume you're either a troll or a child based on your commentary thus far, but I'll try and respond anyway. Basically poverty is keeping the next generation from school, cronyism is keeping the current (educated) generation from gainful employment, and wealth disparity is resulting in an environment of economic failure as opposed to success. I know you're using the name Queen Ann here, but you sound more like Queen Marie Antionette. .

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

You are a clever one. Have an awesome weekend!.

[-] 2 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

Again: 14,000,000 unemployed. (Only about 7,000,000 of those 14,000,000 collect unemployment.) Another 6,000,000 who "want a job". 8,000,000 working part-time who want full-time work. Most of the long-term unemployed are older, age 50 and above. Yet you come up with goofball statements like "go to school". Someone who is 50 and has a MS degree should "go to school" and study... what? Bartending? This is a national and a global problem.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

who is stopping them: corporations that ship jobs overseas, corporations that pay a few people 12 million and eliminate the 50k jobs. thats who

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

So, when you went to the store and were offered the choice to buy a shirt made in the USA for $12 or one made in Vietnam for $8, which did you buy ? Survey your possessions to decide the true depth of your commitment to American jobs.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

there are no clothes in any store made in america.. you are too late for this ploy

[-] 2 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

It IS hard to find anything made in the USA because we have, for over a decade, elevated cost alone to it's supreme position as the only basis by which we buy things.

This takes effort, but it can be done, and as companies see the consumers CARE about where the products they buy are made, they will make more in the USA.

Check every tag and select Made in the USA whenever possible. Talk to your friends and encourage them to do so as well. Consider creating a "social movement" to encourage Google to make an Android phone in the USA (and be sure to state you're willing to pay a little more). Evaluate whether an American car is really so bad you're willing to outsource your neighbor's job just to get one a little better or cheaper. Think of others and not just yourself. It's called "social responsibility."

Refuse to use self-check scanners at stores and use the manned station even it it takes a bit longer. Press "O" whenever a computer answers the phone. Pay in cash so the credit and debit card companies DON'T get a cut of every transaction. Inconvenient, yes, but you're showing your values are WORTH something to you.

It took a long time to send all those jobs overseas, and it will take a long time to bring them back, but it CAN be done. If not now, when, and if not us, who ?

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

do you agree that the corporations that reap billions from operating in other countries should pay the tax for the foreign aid to those countries

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 9 years ago

No. I agree the people, through their votes, should elect a government that pursues the taxation and aid policies they support. If most people agree with you, then your position will prevail. If not, you can either accept the position or leave. This is the contract for citizenship in a Democracy.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh baloney

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

ok then.. i only hope an wish that your company shuts down. or downsizes.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

You know nothing and you seem very closed-minded.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

american workers taxes goes to giving welfare to the same countries that corporations make money from.. theres something wrong with that,.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Have a rainbow day !

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

already done. There are no jobs. I dont want your money I want your JOB

[-] 0 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

Why do you think corporations are sending jobs overseas? Lower costs? Larger margins? Cheaper labor? Less taxes? Less regulations? Unions?

What do you think the US can do to entice corporations to move jobs back to the US?

You know that you cannot regulate businesses back to the US. You cannot force businesses back. Or is it that you think you can?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

So, you suggest our gov't negotiate with terrorists. Wow, that is so Un-american. A better way would be to revoke their citizenship, and make them beg and grovel on their knees to access this market.

[-] 0 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

wow, what kind of a leap are you taking here? Show me where I said I think we should negotiate with terrorist?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

Taxes, living wages, modest margins, sound regulations and unions are what made America great. Having some wealth addicted, corporate stooge, tell the American people they have to give up those things in order to slave in their shops is no different than a hijacker saying I'll kill these mo foes if you don't release my comrades from prison. We are Americans; we don't negotiate with economic hijackers.

[-] 0 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

so what you are saying is, no, you do not want businesses and corporations to bring jobs back to the US. Okay, why didnt you just say that. You didnt have to try to confuse the discussion with how you believe businesses are terrorist and trying to hijack and KILL Americans.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

yes you can.. charge a tax and enforce it so that it becomes cheaper to operate inside the US. its not hard. they tax everything into extiction exept living here and operating over there. that has to be stopped.. why do you think we should live in mud huts and tin shanty towns in order for the corporations that live off our taxes.. bring jobs to us?

[-] 0 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

who said anything about mud huts and shanty towns? so your solution is to raise taxes on businesses in order to make them move factories back to the US? Or are you saying we should raise the import tax?

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

shanty towns are what replace the suburbs after all the jobs are gone. im saying make it non profitable thru taxes for corporations to operate outside the country.

[-] 2 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 9 years ago

Capital will always go to where it is cheapest to profit. Capital will use slave labor if it was permitted.

[-] 0 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

not when they require educated labor. Hospitals do not pay slave wages.

[-] 2 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 9 years ago

Down here some do. Google Jackson Memorial

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

If they could, hospitals would import large quantities of health care workers, particularly nurses, from other countries so that they wouldn't have to pay nurses the relatively high salaries that they now get. That's what happened with IT workers. IT and engineering were the path to the upper middle class for a generation. Until corporations realized that they could farm out much of their technical work to people in India who were willing to work for a fraction of IT people here.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

So it is the fault of workers because they won't work for a buck an hour? It is the fault of people who want clean air? You actually think this would be a better country with foul air, lead-spouting cars, people working for a buck an hour, and companies allowed to function with Triangle Shirtwaist-like conditions? You blame people who actually believe in this country for the current state of the economy?

[-] 1 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 9 years ago

I blame the government. But you answered NONE of my questions.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

"Why do you think corporations are sending jobs overseas? Lower costs? Larger margins? Cheaper labor? Less taxes? Less regulations? Unions?" All of the above. That doesn't mean that it is just fine and we should accept it and get rid of unions here and get rid of the minimum wage here so that we, the US, can become a third world country where people are willing to work for a buck an hour or less.

"What do you think the US can do to entice corporations to move jobs back to the US?" Some kind of tariff/tax plan so that goods and services produced abroad in countries that allow pollution with workers treated as slaves do not get to sell the stuff freely in this country. You want to sell in the US? You'd better make sure that you treat your employees well and pay them a fair wage. Otherwise, you don't get to sell your stuff in the US. Of course, I've oversimplified the whole thing here.

"You know that you cannot regulate businesses back to the US. You cannot force businesses back. Or is it that you think you can?" Of course you can't and anybody who thinks you can "force" businesses to bring jobs back does not understand the nature of capitalism.

Let's get one thing clear: The purpose of corporations, any for-profit business really, is to make money for the owners/shareholders of the firm. A corporation has no purpose, no reason for existing, other than to make a profit. That's not bad or good, immoral or moral, it just is. One might say that, by definition, a corporation is greedy. It has no reason to exist without greed.

There are three things that might keep any natural "greedy" corporation from exploiting workers, cheating consumers, and fouling the environment: 1. Moral leadership, agreeing to take less in profits so as to share more with workers, to produce decent products, to market with honesty, and to not foul the environment. 2. The free market/competition. Depending on the product or service, if someone can produce a better product and market it with more honesty, the corporation that resorts to poor products/services and dishonest advertising may be put out of business... depending on how much capital they have, of course, and how much capital it takes to enter the business of producing that particular good or service.

Of course, there is a limit to how much the free market can limit the inherent greed of capitalism, as we have seen over and over since the advent of large capitalistic enterprises. Therefore, we have the third entity to make sure that workers aren't exploited, that air and water aren't polluted, and consumers aren't cheated as corporations pursue those profits, and that is: 3. Government. Government is the will of "we the people" to keep corporations honest, to keep them from fouling the environment, to assure that employees are treated decently.

When the government does the will of the corporations and does not protect the workers, the consumer, the environment, then we have big, big problems,and that is what has happened to this country. When the government buys the "protect the big corporations and help them avoid the discipline of the market" in an effort to "help the country", and puts helping corporations ahead of helping consumers, workers, and the environment, then we have big problems.

The answer is clearly not letting corporations do whatever it is they want to do in the pursuit of profit in order to "keep jobs here". That's a very, very slippery road on which some of us (like you) have started philosophically. This is still a very rich country with a desirable consumer base. If these companies want to sell to us, they play ball with us, with "we the people". Otherwise they should be booted out of the US. That will make room for companies who perhaps have a bit more of that morality, companies who have executives and boards of directors who aren't as pernicious... and as extremely greedy.... and companies who really value the US market.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

.You can have it, if you can do it better than me. I work in a hospital with critically ill people with brain injuries. What are you trained for...go out and compete. Get a damn job.. instead of wasting your time whining.

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

no only if i can do as well as you , thats all thats required. and i can so.. quit.. so there will be an opening.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Oh shut up already.. Compete with people. don't expect people to quit/ give up for you. stop with the self pity. you have a bad attitude.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

as do you. ok so dont quit i can still hope your company shuts down or at the very least your position is eliminated. then its nobodies fault

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

thanks.....you make no sense.. maybe this is why no one wants to hire you.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

"Compete with people" So in effect someoneis going to be subjected to dehumanizing penury just don't be the one. Very good. You are a brain surgeon you say? Who initially paid for your extensive college training?

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I paid for it.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

So you were independently wealthy from the beginning then. Well of course it was easy then.

[-] 1 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

A brain surgeon seems a little too convenient for someone that can't place an ellipsis properly, don't you think?

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Humoring - shhhh.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Do you think JenSara? Not able to? Put down the bong. Get off the couch. Stop eating so much. Read something to improve the quality of your mind. Endeavor to improve your abilities with regard to verbal and written expression.

[-] 1 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

Awww, Endeavor- that's cute!

[-] 1 points by JenSara2525 (41) from Phoenixville, PA 9 years ago

Wow, you got really offended by that one! I'll go roll a blunt on my couch now. I don't use bongs, they ruin the carpet.

[-] 2 points by MrNiceGaius (3) 9 years ago

I am a recent college graduate. I have a high paying job. I support these protests because all around me, I see honest, hard working people struggling in a system that is rigged against them. While I have been successful, I know that it is mostly because I have been lucky, very lucky to be in the kind of position I am in now. I've educated myself to the best of my ability about the way our government is designed, and it has become clear that it is not with the best interests of the common citizen in mind. I work 10 hours a day, and spend my weekends helping my local occupiers, because they are the result of everything I find wrong, not just with our government, but humanity. A selfish few sit at the top, and pull strings to keep themselves there, at any cost. It is quite frankly, disgusting, and anything that helps to expose this injustice is a public service, not to mention that the first round of bailouts were handed out by Bush, if you paid attention.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Obama is taking us down into the gutter...straight to pure socialism. Pay attention.

[-] 2 points by hivemind (131) 9 years ago

I'm amazed at how much I have to explain this. People aren't angry because the 1% can fill their pools with caviar and jet ski through it. They are angry because living in the US is suddenly only easy for the very rich. Food prices go up, rent goes up, interest rates go up, medical prices go up and wages stay the same. Many of the people of OWS have jobs. Some can't find jobs and have been searching for years. Working hard and getting an education aren't reaping the same benefits they used to have. The American dream of simply being comfortable (not rich) is disappearing and THAT is why people are upset.

BTW Obama is a much better choice than the other guys.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

correction: know nothings.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Wake up. Obama wants to destroy the middle class... and make us weak like Europe. Socialism is around the corner. And no nothings like you are welcoming it.

[-] 1 points by hivemind (131) 9 years ago

I don't have a problem with socialized society. I and many others would feel more secure even if we have to pay more. If I have to live modestly at the cost of knowing that I'll be ok if I get sick or lose my job that's fine. I never thought or cared to be mega rich. I just want to get by, like the rest of this country.

And if you haven't noticed we are already weak. We have been since the economic crisis in 2008 (before Obama). We make nothing and buy nothing. We and our country has a stunning amount of debt. Europe isn't so bad, going to college in France only costs about 300 euros (413 USD) a year. What would this country be like if we had 0 student debt? We have 1 trillion $ nation wide in just student debt alone. That's money that isn't going into the economy and isn't being put to use in building careers.

Also we already suck just as much as Europe does seeing as we are so tightly connected to their economy Greece can throw us all into a depression. Still quality of life in Europe is better than it is here...hmmm

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Socialism leads to Communism = loss of freedom and liberty. wake up before it's too late. You are wrong about quality of life in Europe. I was in many countries in Europe recently......and we live far better here.

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 9 years ago

I know, its amazing what 14 trillion in debt can buy. Now its payback time, however.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

go to europe then.....and stay there. you will fit in.. better yet go to china.

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 9 years ago

Oooh. So many options. How about we bring back the Queen, Queenann?

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Bad Idea. I don't dig that European monarchy crap. Particularly that bunch of inbred royalty in the UK. They have a disorder which results in no ability to feel empathy towards others. They are the most famous welfare family in the world. And made their $$$ selling opium to the chinese. .

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 9 years ago

That's exactly right. Except for the disorder part, I don't know about that. So now why do you patronize that with your handle?

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I tried alot of names and everything was used...the name queenann was just a random choice, everybody is getting hung up on.....it is meaningless.

[-] 2 points by Teacher (469) 9 years ago

This is not about jealous or people not "trying to make something of themselves." This is about a republic where money buys political influence and the citizens are shut out of the process entirely.

BTW, Occupy DC is in Freedom Park as we speak. Yes, Obama continued the Bush bailouts. He is responsible for that, no excuses for him. Just another politician.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

BTW is that bacon, tomato on white? thanks for the passionate comment.

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 9 years ago

Queenann, let me ask you an honest question: if a ceo gets a huge payoff, shouldn't the workers get paid more as well?

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Of course....if economic conditions are favorable.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 9 years ago

You're starting to get it. It seems a mere tweak is in order for you tea party types.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

thank you. You are right. I do appreciate the ideas of the tea party people. Have a nice evening.

[-] 2 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

No one is jealous. That is a deliberate misrepresentation. You are to blame if you voted for Bush twice. What do you do for a living?

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I am in the medical field. Providing compassionate care, and watching endless medicaid fraud.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

You are in the medical field profiting from other people's misfortune, if it was compassionate you'd do it for free, I bet you make a bundle, so fuck your compassion.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 9 years ago

Seriously endgluttony, what is wrong with you? First you attack someone just because they work at a bank to support their family and now you attack anyone who works in the medical field. How are they supposed to support a family, pay bills and eat if they "do it for free?"

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

There is no excuse for being complicit in evil. Nothing will change when there are people who are willing to play along to enrich themselves while the country crumbles around them.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 9 years ago

Where do you get that she's complicit in evil? Because she's paid as a medical worker (didn't even specify what kind)? What is so wrong with collecting a salary to perform work? Are you against that too? I feel like I'm arguing with an insane person....never mind. You are too close minded, bitter and angry.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

please no bad language on my forum.

[-] 1 points by EndGluttony (507) 9 years ago

I love the way you frame making money off of sick people as charity. You probably spew that same old BS about how you wanted to HELP people. You just wanted to make money. And you bring up medicaid fraud, I bet the insurance companies you deal with are really honest.

[-] 2 points by Frizzle (520) 9 years ago

Ever thought that some people aren't jealous at all. Personally i wouldn't want to be rich. I just want a sane and sustainable world.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Sanity begins and ends with yourself. Endeavor to become sane and sustain yourself and great things will come to pass.

[-] 2 points by Frizzle (520) 9 years ago

Sanity begins with yourself. But it doesn't have to end there.

[-] -2 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

correct. Please do not listen To Michael Moore...he is in the 1%. Background is corrupt unions... he helped to destroy Detroit.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

You know, i just thought you were naive at first, but after this dribble here, you are just bat shit crazy. You should be ashamed of yourself destroying the character of a man who uses his wealth to inform and enlighten his fellow peers. WOw, market forces have done a number on your mind. Do me a favor broaden your horizon; read books you don't agree with. Don't be afraid of knowledge. It will set you free.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

You seem to be a liberal loser with a communist education and a free hand out mentality

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

I'm a progressive; get it straight. In case you are wondering, that's a liberal with a backbone. Besides, capitalism is a a sub section of liberalism. Pure capitalism is what most conservatives articulate. Some Americans, you in particular, are just too scared of new knowledge to ever take the time to figure that out. Without the enlightenment which is the era liberalism was created, we would still be in Europe waiting for God's hand out.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

by the way Mikey Moore is from the Detroit labor auto workers union, who are nothing but shakedown artists who destroyed GM. What a shame USA can't compete due to union thugs.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 9 years ago

Blame the victim. You realize that is like saying it is the woman's fault when she becomes a single parent after her husband leaves her for sunnier pastures.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

who is the victim MM? what do you mean? your statement is unclear.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

please stop drinking and stay on topic. Michael Moore is a hypocrite and you are sadly lost. bye bye

[-] 1 points by Frizzle (520) 9 years ago

That's quite a random remark you made there. I don't see how that fits with what i said.

[-] 2 points by ValerieSolanasAKAHippieChick (29) 9 years ago

Obama is a boring heterosexual dullard and you are even more boring than he is.

Get lost,

S.C.U.M.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 9 years ago

Change your username, you're an insult to Her memory.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Queen Ann's Revenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. what are you talking about you goofy, cretin?

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 9 years ago

I was talking about the Queen, not the boat. Sheesh! And there's no comma between goofy and cretin.

[-] 1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

if Iwant a comma , I put one in ,,,,,,,,you little brain goofy, cretin...... !!!!!,,,,,,,

[-] 2 points by gestopomilly (497) 9 years ago

lol

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 9 years ago

Why aren't YOU occupying Pennsylvania Avenue, you lazy piece of shit? If you haven't noticed, OWS has actually gone out and occupied, been arrested, been pepper-sprayed, been beaten, and been shot. What the fuck have you done? Nothing! N-O-T-H-I-N-G. The trolls on these boards are nothing but lazy failures who wouldn't have the balls to occupy an eighth-grade girls' soccer game. Nothing but suburban trash that should be gassed....

[-] 0 points by Tommiethenoncommie (211) 9 years ago

Hmm... a soccer game? The game has more balls than you and it only has one! In fact, the girls playing have more than you! Do the math! Why waste my time standing on a street bitching, when I can make some cash as a programmer?!

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 9 years ago

Sorry, I've played hockey since I was six years old, and unless you enjoy getting laughed at, you probably ought to stop trying to tell people that soccer has balls...LOL! Too funny..."He tripped me! He tripped me! Owwwww...my ankle hurts...MOM!!!

[-] 1 points by Tommiethenoncommie (211) 9 years ago

It's got one. You've got none. And you proved it. And soccer is a hell of a sport. Hockey is barbaric. Although I don't dislike it. People like you make my day. A glorious paycheck!

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Right on Tommie. You are sensible soul.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh shut up.. you need to have better perspective on life dear. things will get better,,Smile

[-] 1 points by MissJoan (10) 9 years ago

It's really sad that there are so many that are will to just do nothing and expect people to give them what they have. They should go to Greece. I'm sure they would feel right at home there.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

They wouldn't allow these creeps entry into Greece. They should go to China, Cuba or Iraq.

[-] 1 points by MissJoan (10) 9 years ago

I think those countries wouldn't have a problem with them moving in. All they have to do is work 14 hours a day and get little or no pay. But they'll be happy because they'll be the same as everyone else. The government will provide them with housing, clothing and food, which they won't own. Sounds like an ideal way to live!

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

That sounds like what they're looking for. They have some $$$ in the bank, lets buy plane tix to China, one way for all @ zucchini park in NYC.

[-] 1 points by MissJoan (10) 9 years ago

They pretend that they're down there for some high cause, but it's really to just hang out and veg out like the free-loading, non-thinking people that they are. They all just believe all the garbage that is fed to them through the media.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Word up Miss Joan. They are so brain washed and brain dead, they will probably never be any use to society,

[-] 1 points by MissJoan (10) 9 years ago

Yeah, I second that! These people are just jealous of others. There's always going to be someone who has more. You will never be happy if you're always looking at others and complaining. They seem to be spoiled cry babies! Maybe they go too much given to them. They need to chill out and grow up!!!~!!

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

you got it. they are lazy and there to get high and hook up.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago
[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I am employed. Hippies do work, you know. I am paying taxes, and supporting all the people that don't want to work.

[-] 1 points by infonomics (393) 9 years ago

Hard work? An indoctrinated platitude. Most people couldn't even explain what hard work means? What does hard mean in the phrase hard work? Did Bill Gates work hard when he sold IBM on the DOS that he never had but later purchased from Tim Paterson for $50,000? Sounds like serendipity to me. Americans are already working many hours, sacrificing family life for the man. What is their reward for loyalty to the Board? What is their reward for fighting wars for Corporate America's globalization security? Outsourcing! How indignant to ask Americans to fight their wars or sacrifice at home so that they can build a globalization market and then terminate them for cheaper labor. Who has more to lose if we are threaten? You got more, you got more to lose. So pay your share of the defense that protects your globetrotting.

Honesty? Up to the moment that America's leading CPA firm Arthur Andersen got caught sleeping with their client Enron, you had my ear. Take your misguided sermon to Madoff, Countrywide, Jeff Skilling, Michael Milken, the major banks, Solyndra, Andy Fastow, the U. S. Congress, the plethora of military contractors and any number of hooligans on Wall Street. Americans are done with this talk about honesty. Working Americans are honest. How dare you question the integrity of the people born of those who sacrificed at Yorktown, Gettysburg, the trenches of France, Normandy, the Pacific, Khe Sanh and Iraq. As a CPA of 40 years, I know the stealth of those Gordon Gekkos who talk about honesty and hard work. Hooey. Their only redeeming value is that they have yet to be caught stealing.

Americans have awaken from their slumber of apathy, poised for change that will have real meaning to their lives. Can't you hear them: "we slept, you abused, never again." Who is you, you ask? You represents those with the power to corrupt? And who is that? Well, it ain't the American people, as they have no power. Who remains? All the rest.

So, off with your advice and may it find an orifice of your choice.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 9 years ago

queenann, good point. I can't deny that I get jealous of people who have so much, but it's true, we need to take responsibility and pick ourselves up! There are still opportunities in this country. And yes, government needs to change, but I think this horrible situation started far before Obama.

[-] 1 points by veronafair (7) from West Monroe, LA 9 years ago

It has nothing to do with being jealous. It is about being that person who is so qualified but still cannot get a job bc there are NONE out there. About having to decide if you will eat tonight or tomorrow. About how to take care of your elderly parents who worked all their life but now cannot afford anything because funding was cut to help them..... Everyone who is against this movement seems to think we are doing this because we are lazy and all want hand outs. That is when it pays to look around you and see what is going on. If you really think the world you live in today is as good as it will ever get, then you deserve to be stuck in the dark because nothing anyone does or says will ever change your mind.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

get rid of affirmative action and hiring quotas,,,,, and stop buying from corporations, whose ethics you disagree with. this would be more constructive than spewing the OSW boring rhetoric.

[-] 1 points by veronafair (7) from West Monroe, LA 9 years ago

Ya that is not what is stopping so many from getting jobs.... its beyond that now. Fact is, most companies would rather hire less educated people they can pay less to and work part time with no insurance than give a job to someone who is qualified. And because most businesses cannot even do that anymore, now you have everyone fighting for the same jobs, no matter what they are. THAT is the problem that needs to be fixed.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

lotsa luck. either get super educated.... or be a successful entrepreneur.

[-] 1 points by cmt (1195) from Tolland, CT 9 years ago

It takes lotsa luck. Hard work and education help, but they aren't enough to provide a decent life.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

well pray alot then.. while you work

[-] 1 points by veronafair (7) from West Monroe, LA 9 years ago

College degree and all here- like I said. The problem lies elsewhere.

[-] 1 points by cmt (1195) from Tolland, CT 9 years ago

The Meritocracy Myth: all you need to do is work hard. Not true.

It is true that you need to work hard to succeed. In logic, this is known as "necessary but not sufficient".

You need to work hard - AND have a boss who cares about that.

You need to work hard - AND not have a CEO who wrecks the company.

You need to work hard - AND have the good fortune not to get sick.

You need to work hard - AND have your skills valued by the economy, which may or may not happen.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

It's all in the hands of God... Just try to take it a day at a time. do the next right thing...don't get so far ahead of yourself.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago

Liar

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

Actually, the most honest people are the poorest people in this country.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh please...they are so honest... they get their food stamps...their section 8's... and have many baby fathers. they smoke expensive cigarettes,,,,and seem to wear a lot of gold jewelery.

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

Wow. That's pretty low. But then again, you are probably an American so I should have expected such a response. Do you think being on food stamps is a luxury? Or section 8 housing part of the American Dream? Do you know where America ranks internationally in education? Do you know why we have such a large gap in social classes? Oh that's right, it's because people smoke cigarettes and wear gold jewelry...this is by far the most pathetic response I have received. If you were to say what you wrote in front of me, I'd spit in your face. I don't mind spending a night in jail for showing you how your opinion is something we are all tired of hearing. Neither are the OWS participants. I'm glad people like yourself are speaking up, because now we all get to see how shallow your ability to reason really is.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh go scratch. you are a scary, moron. how do you get by with this kind of malfunctioning brain. You must be milking the system. you lazy loser.

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

Actually I own two businesses. I work for a federal pilot program (the first of its kind) and I am a full time college student. I am a licensed real estate appraiser, a journeyman pressman, a software developer, a database administrator, and a network admin. I write software that audits and distributes food stamps for 29 states so I am glad you brought that up. I am 28 years old. I get by just fine, I live in a 4,000 s.f. house on 40 acres. I will continue to destroy opinions like yours in the courtroom and on the streets. Just deal with the fact that the opinion you portrayed is a diminishing factor. I have a feeling you're a republican. lol Do you know what ad hominem means? How about ad verecundiam? Or can you list the three social paradigms our society operates within? These are all things intelligent people are aware of and have opened their minds to. Your food stamp section 8 argument is one my racist grandmother poses all the time. It’s rather humorous to see it on a website created by progressives to put an end to those very ideas. Keep it up; you’re looking “great”.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Playing the race card upon encountering criticism of our welfare system is a habitual, worn out, meaningless reply. I have no political party affiliation, Your partisan labeling is another useless tactic, that gets us nowhere. Why must you label people and endeavor to put them down? Because you can't defend your position?

[-] 1 points by chuckhanger (19) 9 years ago

You are obviously very confused. The race card was your stance. Here, let me refresh your memory: "oh please...they are so honest... they get their food stamps...their section 8's... and have many baby fathers. they smoke expensive cigarettes,,,,and seem to wear a lot of gold jewelery." This is what you typed. Not Me. And it is extremely racist. So I have to question your intentions on this forum (not the mention your education)? Why are you posting here? To tell people that Obama is a communist and that Bush was a hero? If you really do work in a hospital, I feel sorry for the people under your care. So far I have seen your posts call people names and state that Obama is trying to make our nation a communist one or destroy it. Please stop calling people names because that is what really gets us nowhere. It just shows that you have no real argument, so you attack people. And I am to believe you are a healthcare professional? Healthcare professionals are supposed to be emotionally intelligent, and you have yet to demonstrate that trait. So in the terms of your own post, "Go Scratch". Like I said, I feel sorry for the people you are looking after. They and their families deserve a better quality professional.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

You are boring... and not clever enough to interact with. Stop with the racism baloney... It's always pulled out of your bag of tricks. take some responsibility, instead of doing all this finger pointing and insulting.. t must be rough working with a dogmatic, arrogant fella like yourself.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 9 years ago

lol,. silly republicon,. obama is following the same script as bush jr. they are both corporatists,. very little has changed,. . there is no two party system,. only two wings of one fascist control group.

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 9 years ago

Is this the topic for your 8th grade essay?

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Just because you disagree with me, you don't have to insult my report.

You are spending too much time alone.

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 9 years ago

Or you can go into POLITICS!

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Will you either give it up Anne or find the tenacity to follow through with a conversation rather than diverting it. you are merely tying people up.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

grow up. have a family. get a job. don't be so selfish. and stop tying me up.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

An adult= don't need kids, have a job and that's why I am here/

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

go away...find another forum. you seem to have a personality disorder.

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 9 years ago

Although I may have some disorders who knows that is irrelevant. I saw the unusually heavy trolling on inspecting the forum here and I felt obliged, this being the best challenge to the establishment that I have seen in my lifetime- and though I tactically disagree I do share their expressed concerns. So here I am-

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

alright ...you can stay. Your opinions are a great contribution. we can all get along. That is what USA is about.

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

This is not Obama or Bush's fault. It is Reagan's. Read a book.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I only read cereal boxes

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 9 years ago

I believe you.

Pretending to be a prostitute and spreading lies might get someone hurt, you should really think of your actions and the potential harm that they can create.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

please do not post on my forum. you are only allowed to read here.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago

I would warn against honesty

many businesses expect loyalty before honesty

[-] 1 points by karai2 (154) 9 years ago

The 99% no be jelly.

[-] 1 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 9 years ago

I used to believe in all that hard work stuff too. I used to work 14 hour days with a full-time and part time job, but I got sick of never seeing my daughter, not having any time for myself, and just relaxing. Now I just trade momentum for my account, my uncle, and a few others. I sit in front of a computer, watch the monitor a few hours in the morning and the afternoon and make more money in about 15 hours or less a week than I used to do in 14 hours per day. I made 7% on my triple DOW long overnight for me and my friends on Wednesday! Hard work is truly for suckers! True, my dad worked long hours to give a middle-class life for us, but I hardly ever saw him, and that sucked, and when had that heart attack at 54, that really sucked. But hard work now-a-days? Seriously? I'm done at 4PM EVERYDAY. Some weeks, I'm good by Monday morning! I really can't help but laugh at this Hard Work pity party crap

[-] 1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

right on Steven. Keep on trucking

[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 9 years ago

I like you, very much so! Not once, not a single moment, did you mention that dreadful doctor fellow or paraphrase that eccentric Hollywood screenwriter. Tell me, I know of a Queen Anne, otherwise known as Queen Anne of Great Britain, since during her reign, the Union with Scotland Act and the Union with England Act were passed, thus forming Great Britain, but I do not know of a Queen Ann. Would you be so kind, as to provide me some background on this queen? Are you named Ann and do you think that you are a queen? Well, I will tell you what, if you treat me like a gentlemen, I will treat you as a queen.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

Do you know how many who are unemployed, perhaps homeless, frustrated and angry are people who have worked for DECADES, often for the same company, have been tossed out of work at age 50 or 60 as the CEOs of their companies have made millions in bonuses and dividends from laying off workers and offshoring jobs? You do know that there are 14,000,000 officially unemployed, another 6 million who "want work", and 8 million working part-time who want full-time work? And employers reported a grand total of 3.4 million openings in the last BLS JOLTS report? Yet you are still ignorant enough to talk about "bailouts" and to tell people, many of whom WERE successful for decades, to "make a success of your life". Shame on you for making such incredibly ignorant statements. You need to read more and understand what is going on out there. If you haven't been hurt by this economy, you should count your lucky stars every morning and every night.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

The people who are handicapped ARE the people who believe they are handicapped. Your pity party has gone on too long. Move a muscle. Change a thought.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Work hard and you will succeed. use your God given talents and gifts. lose the bitterness MiddleMolly ...it is quite repulsive.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

No, you are the repulsive and bitter person here. If you were really compassionate (and you have no idea what my situation is... I just happen to care about people.), you would not be here insulting and making sweeping generalizations.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

oh shut up. you really need something for your nerves.. cuppa hot cocoa and a cookie might help you right now!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 years ago

start I movement

go occupy dc

[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 9 years ago

yes, he is one half of the corruption equation. The other half is the donors who paid him for the favors. We know he is the most corrupt president in history so far, worse than Bush, and he has sold us out while the corporations bought us out. The Tea Party is covering the politics, while we're covering the streets.

[-] 0 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 9 years ago

You must fuck us on your goal if you want to suck seed

[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 9 years ago

Visit LetsGetTheFactsStraight.com

[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 9 years ago

Visit LetsGetTheFactsStraight.com

[-] 0 points by velveeta (230) 9 years ago

unless you are a Wall Street crook, then you just lie, cheat and steal your way to the biggest economic meltdown in history.

what a lame post

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Success is a byproduct of right living.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

Shame on you for being willfully ignorant. You don't know anyone who is struggling in this economy? People with degrees and years of experience? Perhaps people with health problems or minor disabilities? People who have family members with health problems or disabilities? Where do you live where everybody is just doing fine? Are you getting paid to write these things? If everything is so wonderful for you, why are you here, taunting and insulting people who are struggling?

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

I noticed that queen didn't bother to answer one of my questions, just more insults.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Shame on you Molly for subjecting us to your boring, whiny drivel !

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

I don't know what you are talking about. see a therapist...get some antidepressants. Your anger and bitterness are a big part of what is blocking you to succeed.

[-] 2 points by georgetaylor (67) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Just ignore this troll. She (or he) is probably some 12 year old kid with nothing better to do than listen to Rush Limbaugh and repeat tired rants.

I'll believe she is a neurosurgeon when she posts her real name and credentials here. A real neurosurgeon wouldn't waste their time trolling a website just to incite anger. They would be busy working. I mean really, would any of you let her cut into your brain?

Sorry honey, You've been busted. Now go to sleep. it's way past your bedtime.

[-] 1 points by MiddleMolly (39) from Chicago, IL 9 years ago

I agree. Pretty much anybody can come on the internet and say "I'm a brain surgeon." Or: "I'm a successful day trader." Or: "I'm a brilliant tech guy who hasn't had my job outsourced to India." I actually know a brain surgeon. Yes, they are bright, hard-working people, also arrogant. But the one I know seems to have compassion for people because he knows and understands that an injury, an illness, can destroy a career, a person, can destroy a family's financial stability within a day, a few months or a year. And it can be completely random and unexpected. He sees families in crisis every day and he is helping.. but knows that often there is a limit to what he can do surgically or medically to put a person, a family, back together.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

sounds like you need a lobotomy

[-] 2 points by georgetaylor (67) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Still waiting for your real name and list of credentials.

Thought so.

[-] -1 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 9 years ago

Dull & verbose. please refrain from posting.

[-] 1 points by georgetaylor (67) from Tampa, FL 9 years ago

Still waiting . . . . .

Clearly you are nothing but a lying troll. I will no longer acknowledge you as you have nothing to say.

Adios troll.