Forum Post: People asked my girlfriend agressively why do you protest what you want.
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 4:23 p.m. EST by occupyit
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People wonder why the youngsters reject currencies. Why do you occupy the streets, what do you want? The answer could be change, peaceful change preferably. Take the power away from the 99% and give it to the 1%. The 1% controling rich have had the chance to make a change and failed miserably.
The people asking these questions must be so busy living their lives filled with career moves,cars, I phones, skiing holidays,sport, fashion, and defining their political,religious or spiritual identity. They are oblivious to a few crisis.
There happens to be an environmental crisis, the forests are being cut down, the seas are being fished empty, the poles are melting, the big rivers in the developing world are polluted beyond life, some rivers don't even reach the sea anymore. There is dessertification, the sea level is rising, coral systems bleach and die and the big lakes are disappearing along with glaciers.
Whilst storms get heavier the climate is becoming more extreme,the permafrost is melting releasing methane and making things worse. There is no serious alternative to replace oil,it's predicted to run out in 30 years. How old will you be then? The price of food is rising, there is an enourmous famine in the Horn of Africa while the west suffers with obesity and diabetes.
Bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics because farmers abuse it for profit.There is a big risk of a pandemic of bird flu. Species disappear in numbers never seen before in the history of earth.
There are long lasting wars going on, based upon lies, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Conflicts in Africa, bombing with drones,child soldiers, the west supplying them with kiddie machine guns while Zappatistas, Basques, Kurds, Palestinians, Tamil Tigers and numerous other peoples are fighting to be free. Indigenous cultures, ancient cultures, with a different point of view of everything, dissolve. There is the failing war on drugs, more people in prison than ever, a cry for tougher punishment whilst crime is becoming more violent. People use more anti psychotic medicine and mood control substances than ever before, even giving it to their children.
I purposefully leave out all the personal drama, institutionalised drama and lack of freedoms enjoyed by people worldwide, because that will defocus our minds by distracting us into the political left right thinking that has been drilled into us all our lives.
The list above is long enough, serious enough, for any person I regard able of good intentions, and therefore worthy of my attention, to come to the conclusion that we are in a complete mess.
Our leaders have resolved none of the problems mentioned. They have ignored them.They are radical believers in economic growth. Economic growth will not solve any of the problmems mentioned, it will only aggravate them. Economic growth has proven to be bad medicine and they want us to swallow a whole lot more of it.
Tax payers money has been used to bail out the banks, but now the countries are in trouble, because of corporate tax dodging and offshore banking, the banks and politicians want to make us believe that we have to desocialize our society even more, otherwise they won't be able to help us, because the market dictates that.
It is time for the people to stand up together and dictate the markets. It is time for the people to start fixing problems, politicians have failed. It is time for the people to come together and discuss how we are going to force them to give up power. It is time for the 99%
I am surprised you don't answer these questions with "I am here for the hope and change. Or the change and hope."
I mean, it worked in 2008 amirite?
I said could be change. I do not suppose that i have the answers do you beardy? And what the f u mean with amirite. ps i got nothing with the war president as you could have concluded if you would have read my letter. You're a stupid or b ignorant or c both.
lolumadbro
"am I right?"
Whot? Explain yourself!
When he said "amirite?", he meant "am I right?"
thanx tech junkie
True, "the 1% have had the chance to make a change and failed miserably", and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
if you want to support a Presidential Candidate Committee at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11opYnz4YA&feature=related Sorry dude becoming the banks? And people tell me i am dreaming? Join the system to beat the system. You must be kidding me. Maybe if you and i enter the markets a lot more ruthless than those softies at Goldman Sachs we might stand a chance. But that's simply not possible. Good luck!
I wish you guys could think with your heads instead of your hearts. Until you learn to mirror the strength of your enemies, as any military commander will tell you to do, then you will be ruled by tyrants of your own approval.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-rally-cry-to-occupy-join-in-once-voice/
The people protesting can't even figure out what they are protesting for much less what the problems are and how to fix them. You listen to what is being said and it's all political rhetoric and loony economic view points. The things people say are not only mind numbingly ignorant but not even close to the original message... Ending the greed of the top 1%.
I'm sorry, i did support this movement but after reading forums, talking to protesters... I'm starting to believe the top 1% probably should be the ones controlling everything. At least they can stay on topic and address the problems they face. We can't even do that. I'm sorry, my support for this movement is all but gone. Sheeple just can't figure it out.
ohhh tr289 what a sad thing to say!! how can you have lost faith in our movement??? the reason the people are not talking like politicians is because they are not politicians! i thought that was the whole point?? people from all walks of life, with all different reasons for wanting a voice, saying, we have had enough, we don't want corruption anymore!! there are so many reasons the 99% want their voices back, i thought this movement was going to be about supporting one another in making our voices heard?? not slandering each other for not saying the right things?? on second thought, if that is how you think, maybe you are better off not joining us.
I see it a little different then you do ... People keep throwing their own political view into this and arguing over things we don't all agree with. Why don't we focus on the things we do agree on and tackle the other stuff later ? Also, i keep hearing people talk about things that are not attainable, things that we couldn't accomplish in our lifetime much less from the OWS movement.
Why are you so f-ing negative dude! Exactly what you are saying you want is happening! There is a populair left wing movement that has as a common thing they put out we are the 99%. Press and people do not want this, they cannot accept this. They wouldn't dare and go out to ask extreme rightwing teaparty nutcases any deeper questions. So why should we even think about what others want of us? Fuck them, fuck the press, who cares they want us to have a chosen leader they can adress, shoot down, literally or about the way he or she dresses ,behaves, their past, dig for a scandal. This system is rotten to the core, the debt is sizzling it's gonna fall, obama or ron paul or whoever will be elected. Euro is hopeless. How sad you say it couldn't be accomplished. A big change can be accomplished! This is just the beginning! We are the people, we are the 99%!
I agree with what you are saying for the most part... Except for " There is a populair left wing movement " If this turns into a one sided political thing then it's a failure. I'm a progressive and i don't want a left wing movement. I want a populist movement. Our system is broken, why the hell do i want to take sides in a broken system ? What good is it going to do if my or our broken side wins ?
If this turns into a Left or Right thing it failed. It will accomplish nothing more then a few token changes.
Agreed. I want a populist movement too, but the RP group you were going on about seems to feel affiliated with the republicans, so how left wing can it be then? He's running for the Republican Party, they are extremely rightwing. The democrates are in my not humble opinion very rightwing. And very deceiving. So how other can be a protest group, a group that is not accepting the current situation be anything else than left winged? The rightwing people are being served politically, they get what they want. I agree with you, it mustn't become the lefty thing to do. But it's rising it's growing it's making the 1% nervous and there is nothing they can do to fix it, because the politicians are prisoners of their own propaganda and neo liberal bull shit propaganda. Cheer up!
Libertarians are not really Republicans. Ron Paul just runs under the Republican tag. I don't want any political party or ideology hijacking the OWS movement. Let the people decide where this movement goes. The only thing i would push for is to find the things we all agree on and focus on those. I don't know any one, even Republicans, that are not in favor of campaign reform. Maybe we should start there ?
True enough lib=not rep although RP says it szhould be and has been, but i don't know if he just says that not to be suspicious. Politicians are lying greedy bastards, we shouldnt start there.
Why you tell me this? I am not this movement i am just a guy going to the occupy and this letter is why... I don't pretend to have the answers, i just say politicians have failed, and i believe i proved that in my letter. I am not sheeple, i build my own house, i grow my own food, i need very little.
Because these protests are turning into a Libertarian / vote for Ron Paul movement. Neither i support in any way. I was willing to put aside my differences with every one and stand together to fight the corruption in our government and on wall street. Sadly that is not at all what these protests are about. Not even close. From what i have seen, it's about pushing a fantasy land economics and Ron Paul, nothing more.
If you want to end corruption in our government and on Wall Street, i would stand next to you and fight, but not under the guise of the OWS movement.
I've seen films on youtube people were not happy with Ron Paul coming in the OWS. I think people who started the OWS will leave if he tries to take over. It's not about Ron Paul, I do think RP does support the occupation though
It's already happening. The Paul fanatics have taken over this movement and it will fade into nothingness like the original Tea Party did.. Only to later be hijacked by right wing extremists.
tr stop that left right thinking and that fading into nothingness is very doomy. Everything is ok, there hasn't been a lot going on in USA for a long time, this is viral, whatever happens it could be the start of some real change.
First of all, i haven't voted ... Ever. Not once in my entire life. I don't vote for ignorance, greed or in a system that is rigged. I'm not even a registered voter. I didn't bring the politics into this the Paul fanatics did. I truly am not left or right of progressive or conservative. I am some one that see's the bull shit and propaganda for exactly what it is.
This started out as a none political movement. It's why i showed any interest at all. It has quickly changed and devolved into a political thing and people need to open their eyes... They are about to get duped, again.
"a Libertarian / vote for Ron Paul movement. Neither i support in any way."
What's wrong with this viewpoint?
Because i want to save this country , not destroy it.
"i want to save this country"
Good luck with that - you're going to need lots more than just your sentiments to do that, and Ron Paul has been fighting a good fight for 30 years, yet you disrespect that, and claim it's a path to destroying the country - that's just bunk and bizarre.
Good luck saving the country...
By the good fight do you mean repealing the Civil right act or a resource based economy where Robots do all the work and strip mine our planet ? Maybe an even more deregulated market.. Because it's obvious the banks and wall street will police them self.
What do you mean by the good fight ?
If people were free, and our government were actually run by the people, then people's environmental concerns would actually be reflected, and not drowned out by the corrupt FED, politicians and corporates...Paul opposes the FED and corruption and wants to empower people - that's what I mean.
Alright dude you lost me. You went to deep into the fantasy land that Libertarians live in. I can't follow anymore. I can't debate fantasy.
Wow - seriously? What's your solution? I want to give people their voice back - isn't that what you want? You think that's fantasy - that's an utter shame.
"I am not this movement i am just a guy going to the occupy and this letter is why..."
What are we without the movement - we're just one guy...
yes so?
Is that your point? To just be one guy? Then why join this protest? You're not making any sense in saying 'i am not this movement'. Dude, we're all together 'this movement.'
Yes exactly, you (one guy/girl) and i(one guy) and many other one guys are the movement right.The movement occupies wall street because they're sick of those parasites making bucketloads of money and every one guy has a different opinion but what binds everybody is the frustration of not being heard and the false democracy. Caprice?
OK, my original confusion was with your comment 'I am not this movement' - but clearly you are part of this movement - right? So people asking about the goals of the movement is something all of us as part of the movement must ultimately answer, right?
I'm already lost in the first paragraph... I think you phrased something strangely... Maybe you meant:
"Take the power away from the 1% and give it to the 99%"
As opposed to the reciprocal.
sorry indeed
So did you crawl in a hole and cry after you wrote this? What kind of man are you that sits there and is scared of everything?
No I didn't cry and i'm not scared. It's just my reason to go to an occupy event.
So what is that going to do for you?
Dunno? Be fun
Is your gf hot and enjoy the company of a real man?
haha, bet you are really silly in real life. Talking bout real man like that all the time. Hahaha
http://occupywallst.org/forum/friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears/
fake. why do republicans keep coming in here and posing as a protester so they can steer it off course. look, it's not our fault your tea was bitter, get over it.
Utter crap! Are you on drugs?
dude, my bad. i didn't know you wer serious. do you really think this protest is going to fix all that. the best way to kill a good movement is to be unreasonable. my suggestion is for everyone to stop flooding with long outrageous postings and create some topics people can stay on. make it obtainable.
No i don't think this protest is going to fix all that. If you understood my letter well i just have these list of crises to discredit politicians, cause they've ignored it. I would like to see it fixed though cause if not doing whatever will be futile. But fair enough, i seen democracy now and someone pointed out this is the first leftwing populist movement since 1930. I am in favor of that, cause populists can be one trick pony's and repeatr their stance without offering real solutions. For now i go with that. And that is more or less what you mean to say i guess.
Easiest way to dictate the markets is to buy the companies...but then again if you did that you would be too busy and focused to concentrate on all the conspiracies and crisis management. Wow, sucks to be you.
pfff why you don't go and buy up all the companies? Instead of hanging around here boring me.
In case you missed my point, dictating the market means more than clogging city streets and leaving trash after yelling oneself hoarse. Even flying planes through buildings has not intimidated the markets. So far, I see mostly complaints, some more articulate than others, but nothing that passes for a realistic plan or objective. That vacuum is being quickly filled by union leadership and liberal politicians.
What is the plan of the current market dictators in regard to the list of problems i mentioned
Market leaders answer to shareholders. Those shareholders and leaders combine to form an electorate that makes their opinions known and assures itself that actions will be taken by those they hire through the ballot box.
I know how that works, what did politicians do to secure the people s future? I do not care who owns what and what i should do to become rich. My family is rich, they're miserable people. I complain, because i am frustrated voting don't change they're all the same. Complaining is that a crime or is taking people's future away a crime?
Politicians do not secure the people's future. They only make sure the people are free to secure their own futures. Money has nothing to do with being miserable. For free people, being miserable is a decision.
the ballot box is what?
Its that thing the New Black Panthers protect.
aha really? Hmmm how interesting tell me more...
they must be protecting it...the justice dept says so