Forum Post: Paul Ryan has summited about 40 of Colorados 50+ 14000 foot peaks
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 26, 2012, 11:31 a.m. EST by TheRazor
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Thats impressive and it says something very positive about the guy.
"Paul Ryan has summited about 40 of Colorados 50+ 14000 foot peaks"
I knew Ryan had a lack of oxygen to his brain. That explains it. Just goes to show how much free time congress has.The selfish prick should have been working for his constituents. Ryan is a lazy, freeloader. He's been on the govt gravy train since he was 22 yrs old. He's a govt lifer that can't make it in the real world.
Ryan is one psychopathic bastard. He's touted as "the young blood on the hill", who has "the Guts" to make the tough decisions. "The man with the plan". I don't think robbing sick, poor, old people of their security takes courage.
I will believe Ryan has courage when he kicks down Bernanke's door and tells the Fed the scam is over ! Don't hold your breath, 'cause it's never gonna happen.
Look at Ryan when he gives a speech about "saving" medicare/SS. He knows he's stealing from the weak, and if you look real close you will see him crack a little condescending smirk. He's one sick pup.
"Paul Ryan And The Fountainhead", by Uri Avnery :
"Ayn Rand, it was said, was one of the main inspirations for his particular philosophy. Since Ryan is being represented not as an ordinary, run-of-the-mill politician, like Mitt Romney - but as a profound political and economic thinker, the inspiration deserves some scrutiny."
fiat lux ...
The only mountain worth climbing is the one that leads to justice.
Wow, how empathetic and noble. Did you feel good spouting that tripe? Instead, start a business and pay your staff $25/hr. Actually do something instead of spouting platitudes.
One more business paying $25 an hour will help a handful of people. Educating the thousands of people on how underpaid they are compared to the $100K that they each produce on average is infinitely more productive.
And your rival down the street will be paying minimum wage and undercutting you on price and you will be bankrupt in a few weeks.
People have proven price is king and that means low wages for unskilled labor.
Negotiation is the key to a fair wage. Any CEO, talk show host, or sports star knows it. Once the majority of people understand they receive just a quarter of what they contribute to GDP, unions will form and bargain to get a decent slice of the economic pie just as they did in the mid 20th century.
Plus I have seen in person how this works. 2 high school friends used to have a small machine shop/ foundry that produced specialized parts for diffrent industries in Los Angeles,CA. They made a good living, employed 25 guys at good wages. One day a guy came to them and said he could produce equal quality parts at a foundry in China for half the cost, delivered right to their door. My friends held for a year but eventually had to lay off their entire workforce except for one who did shipping and receiving. They marked up the parts 20% and made a killing, for awhile, tripling their income. Howver the buyers figured out to simply go direct to another Chinese foundry and my friends simply clsed the doors, rich, but still.
But that has nothing to do with negotiating for better pay. Wages are not based solely on supply and demand. If that was true, agents and unions would not exist. There would be no need for them. The market would have the final say.
Once the lower skilled workers realize that their skills are valuable, they will begin to demand higher wages. They can do this because we know that GDP produced per worker is a little over $100,000. There is ample room for a $15,000 a year worker to make double.
What I don't understand is why intelligent people, who have access to the figures of just how much the top 1% make, then defend those same wealthy people who also under pay them.
Do you have a college degree? Even a person with a Doctorate or Masters has not had much of an increase in income over the last 40 years. The inflated dollars have increased seven times, but the actual amount in real dollars has not increased more than 10-20%. Productivity has increased 80%, but the very people most responsible for that increase only shared a fraction.
I would be a poor example. I Have taken some of my savings and purchased single family homes and I rent those out. When iretire, i hope to have a $20-30k retirement montyly income and when I was young i scrimped together enough money to buy a small commercial building that I was able to trade up into a pretty nice well rented larger building.
I also understand hard numbers, understanding of which is in very short supply here. If we took every single cent earned and owned by the 1%, confiscated their entire net worth, It would hardly touch our national debt.
Productivity gains have come from the use of computers and machines, not from more productive workers. Smart men and women who understand and own the machines have flourished. Lets take retail clerking as an example: 40 years ago, a retail clerk was measured by her efficiency in reading the price of an item, punching it into a cash register and ringing up a gallon of milk. Now they just scan a bar code. No one really needs a clerk anymore, most stores have self service check out stands. Productivity is sky high, but human labor has diminished in value. Lowes and Home Depot, same thing.
I personally employ 15 workers. I set out their potential career track from day one. I start them as unskilled rock bottom grunts at $11/hr. If they organize their lives, show up for work consistently, be on time, and learn in their jobs, in 3 years they should be making $17-22/hr. I started a new enterprise, and I am on my 3rd set of employees! I have done this several times, and my last effort, which i sold, is a money making machine and all the employees are Hispanic women, making at least $18/hr. They area its located in is mixed and I tried to use mostly black employees but they were worthless. The Latinos drove them out. I am in a upper class white area now, and slowly but surely, the staff is moving to middle aged white women.
What would you do if your employees started a union and began asking for higher wages? Is there room for negotiation?
Higher wages? My top employees at my last enterprise makes $27/hr plus medical. This for women born in Jalisco mexico with high school education or less.
I would fire them.
And you would be breaking the law. Every worker has the right to belong to a union and to ask for an increase in wages.
$27 an hour is relatively good pay. But should education decide income? Ask Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, and BIll Gates. All college drop outs. All billionaires.
Actually your wages seem to be higher than average. The median income for all American workers is just $26K a year, about $12.50 an hour. Even your grunt pay is far above minimum wage and closer to the median level.
But getting back to the question, if you were forced to pay higher wages, your income would be reduced. That is exactly what needs to happen to get our economy back on it's feet. The middle and lower income workers are struggling because so much of their labor is being siphoned off by the wealthy.
Like a cow that's been milked for decades, the farmer is now draining it's blood as well. That farmer will eventually kill the cow that supports him and lose his own livelihood if he isn't careful.
Let's not forget what money really is. It represents the labor of human beings. And when one person can own the collective labor of thousands of human beings working for years, any rational person should be able to see the injustice.
Oprah made $165 million in the last year. The equivalent of six thousand employees working an entire year for $28K. I just don't see how the service she provided was worth that much labor.
You dont understand at all. All your idea would do is redistribute the same pie. I have less they have more but its a zero sum game. Whether I spend it or they spend it is irrelevant. What needs to happen is to increase the pie. And people should be positioned to grab some of the pie.
Yes, my idea is to redistribute the pie. It's irrelevant who spends the money? Try supporting yourself on $26K and then tell me how irrelevant an extra $20k would be.
The pie has increased 80% over the last 40 years and guess who was positioned to grab an unfair portion? The top 10% took 50% of the pie.
This whole discussion revolves around what should be fair. What is so difficult to understand? The most selfish take a greater share and the less selfish take a smaller share.
No, they wont. Once the labor cost is too high, the jobs will be out sourced to a lower wage country. The mid 20th century was a window in time where America was the only country with an industrial base. On top of that robots and machines do a better job at many of those 20th century jobs.
One of the highly skilled jobs that has been destroyed by machines was the machinist, the guy who used cutting tools to form parts. CAD driven cutting tools guided by laser precise computers have run humans off the charts. That was a very highly paid, value added job and expecting a line cook at a Burger King, which is a very low value added cog to be equally paid is foolish and stupid.
They can't out source Walmart and Burger King and many other localized jobs. If they could out source more, they already would have. $7.25 an hour versus $2.00 an hour is a huge incentive, but quality, shipping, and speed are huge disincentives.
A low skilled employee like a cook is still a human being and deserves a decent wage. If he is underpaid, then the government has to step in with it's safety net of food stamps, health care, and unemployment. Wouldn't it be better to pay him a living wage and eliminate the extra expense of inefficient government services?
3D Printing will greatly reduce jobs in the coming decades. Once perfected, factories will be closing all over the world. Instead of ordering a part from China, a blueprint for the part could be e-mailed to you and you can Print the 3D part in house. No factory workers, not shipping, packing or other ancillary jobs. Once evolved people could have a potential mini factory in their house or business. Capable of manufacturing millions of their own objects and products.
Related human jobs will plummet.
What exactly do you do except troll?
You consistently suggest other people do something and yet you moon and drool over Paul Ryan for climbing some mountains. Big fucking deal. I'd rather see him handing out food to the poor and taking the recommendations of his professed Lord and Master, Jesus Christ, to heart and actually doing something to help his fellow humans to a better life, rather than helping the wealthy elite rob even more.
He's a pharisee; a traitor to his faith and god, who hides behind a cloak of religiousity and phony piety, to rob money right from the widow's hand.
Ryan is a pussy-ass chickenhawk. He's a big part of the problem that threw our country under the bus. Kissing political ass, fucking all of us because of his selfish political ambitions. Calling himself a staunch conservative and then hypocritically voting for all the unpaid wars and tax cuts for the 1%.
You idolize this asswipe for climbing mountains while he's fucking you. Pull your head out of his ass. Natural selection somehow missed you. You can make up for it, take out "TheRazor" and finish your pain.
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I road my bicycle across the US
Duopoly propaganda! BOOOOOOOOOOOO
He wants to add 2.6 trillion to the debt with Mitt Romney.
That's actually an important fact to know when it comes to Paul Ryan.
Duopoly?
That is the propaganda.
It doesn't apply Worldwide. It doesn't really apply to the US either.
Mr. P again?
He's just another lying (R)epelican't, yet he does lay waste to your duopoly BS.........As he is one of the purveyors of the neolibe(R)tarian agenda.
That's the that does apply Worldwide.
A situation in which two suppliers dominate the market for a commodity or service.
Too bad there's a whole bunch of them, and they all have but a single goal.
profit to the point of extraction.
exactly... and they do so by funding a government duopoly based on a divide and conquer strategy
You have to get past the image of a duopoly they are projecting.
To accept it, is to stay divided.
I don't accept it. I vote against it and speak against it.
Not talking about important issues is to stay ignorant.
You talk about it, so yes, you do accept it's existence.
It does not exist, at least in the context you are using it.
The term itself is propaganda.
it does exist and it's funded by the oligarchs. Exposing this fact leads to alternative voting and avoiding corrupt candidates funded by the corporations and banksters fucking over this country. The divide and conquer strategy is real and it's created through the duopoly. They keep people fighting about a couple issues while they simultaneously work together for war, spying on americans, and support a montary system that props up the banks and 1% policies.
Look into campaign financing.
we need to turn the system back to representing the people not the corporations and banksters.
You know Trev, I don't know why I have to explain this once again, but the division began in earnest, when Reagan repealed the Fairness Doctrine.
That division was pushed the hardest from the "right" through entities like FLAKESnews, Limbaugh, Drudge and all the rest.
It's only recently, that the "left" has responded much at all.
What you are calling a duopoly was actually an illusion, created by those that were profiting from that repeal.
Indeed it fits like a glove on the neolibe(R)tarian agenda, of pushing the teaching of Ayn Rand.
They do that all over the World among their fellow "industrialists".
You cannot fit the "duopoly" description the World over.
Only here, where the propaganda machine is so powerful and effective.
Neolibe(R)tarians fit the description and evidence, the World over..
So instead of saying duopoly I should say illusion of Neolibertarian agenda?
Sounds the same to me.
Also it's Neoliberal globalization and the Neocon war agenda. Right?
YO JOE! Let it blow with convulsive force Til walls fall off their false supports Til Jericho's aircraft carriers alter course And all brave young Americans are called ashore Cause we've already lost the war they keep wagin Splattering the streets in battles that keep ragin Bloodyin each page of the story that we're studying Each day the same just the names keep changin
[Hook:] Saying the same things over again Repeatin the same slogans we don't know where we've been We've been all over the globe on our government's funds Leavin man woman and child dead bloody and numb saying the same things over again Repeatin the same slogans we don't know where we've been We've been overthrowing leaders with legitimate views Democratically elected but we didn't approve....
[Verse 2] How many times can the line divide How many wars to uphold some pride Fears uncontrolled just swoll the tide Of blood in the streets while the people die Ima keep on tryin Longs as suffering's multiplyin And why not Souls get tossed and left out to rot My backs broad enough to help left your cross As long as you help with mine The process of healing will take some time To see the pain on your face is the same as mine Not a game or a race but the stake is high We maintain our mistakes for the sake of sides As long as it takes I"ll say it one more time As long as it takes I'll say it one more time As long as it takes I'll say it one more time
[Hook]
[Verse 3] We need money for healthcare and public welfare Free mumia and Leonard peltier Human needs not corporate greed Drop the debt and legalize weed We say yes to grassroots organization No to neoliberal globalization Bring the troops back to the USA And shut down guantanamo Bay The same things over again My throat's so sore from shoutin no war for the soldiers again Lookin for cloud cover when the explosions begin Lookin the crowd over wonder if you where we've been We've been all over the globe Iran to Nicaragua Guatamala Angola grenada Dominican republic Haiti chile It don't stop and it won't stop unless we keep say
[Hook]
Who let'em overthrow Jacobo Arbenz Who let'em overthrow Mohammad Mosaddeq Who let'em assassinate Salvador Allende I didn't let them but they did it anyway Who let'em overthrow Kwame Nkrumah Who let'em overthrow Aristide Who let'em assassinate Oscar Romero I didn't let'em but they did indeed!
Don't let them assassinate Hugo Chavez Don't let them assassinate Evo Morales Bring back Martin, Malcolm, Medgar, Hampton, Goodman, Schwerner, Chaney
That's quite a hodge podge you have there.
Care to clarify?
it's a song from the Flobots!
I plan to go to the jazz festival this weekend.
Pat Metheny.......:)
Will that be out enough for you?
I did go see Mavis Staples and Bonnie Raitt last week too.
Mavis knows how to sing a protest song.........:)
That's some of the most unlyrical lyrics, I've ever seen.
You should get out more
What in the World does mountain climbing have to do with ones ability to govern?
Absolutely nothing at all.
It's like suggesting that an actor that does all his own stunts would be a wonderful President.
Or perhaps the stunt man?
What it does show is that he has fortitude and determination to accomplish certain things. That kind of attitude follows a person all through their life.
There can be no denying that a person who has a determining attitude can accomplish many things
The old adage applies here, be careful what you wish for...
Those things may be 180 degrees from what you'd like them to be.
I have no doubt they are all of that from what I'd like.
The only thing he's determined to do is fuck up our country, with his BS "plan".
He's just a glorified teabagge(R), and will raise my taxes, and give me nothing in return besides more breaks for the 1%..
Well I must say Obama has already done a good job of "giving you nothng" and in return has raised the debt to 16 trillion.
Sounds like both are the same don't ya think?
Polar opposites! Pres Obama has given plenty. Will give much moreif we can eliminate some selfish immoral republicans! And protest, pressure , and agitate for progressive solutions
You are right, he has definitely given you a $45,000 bill that you will be responsible for paying the rest of your working life.
"Power of the purse" is held in congress. They're all to blame. Fire them all.
Ryan was one of the worst during Bush reign.
well, a couple maybe should stay.
I hope the people of this country do clean house and get rid of the "lifers" and get some new blood in there who will stand up for the people of this country.
Annual deficit and additions to national debt in the last 4 years left over from your boy Bush.
Sorry.
SOLIDARITY!
Ok so lets take away Obamas jobs claims for that money and see how many jobs were actually created not by "small business" but by Obama himself with the remaining trillions.
Yeah sure that sounds useful!
LMFAO.
Pres Obamas policies have given us a recovery (after republican "great recession") of almost 3 years of growth. Including employment growth! It has been slow growth because of republican obstruction.
Get rid of some conservative 1% tools and pass progressive jobs/infrastructure plan and recovery will improve.
SOLIDARITY!
Let me ask how many jobs has this country lost during the reign of the Obama Administration - no one wants to talk about that but the truth of the matter is if he created as many jobs as he claims the unemployment should be around 5%.
How come it isn't - could it be because we have more people losing jobs?
We lost millions of jobs during this Bush created "great recession" that started in late 2007. We lost about 7.5 million jobs (more than the last 4 recessions combined) during the Bush created great recession 12/2007-6/2009. Most of those job losses were during Bush admin. However, we were still losing jobs when Pres Obama took the Oath in 1/2009.
So the Bush job losses extended several months into Pres Obamas term and probably went as high as 2.5 to 3 million. Serious numbers.
As soon as Pres Obama recovery act passed (watered down by repubs) the Job losses slowed. We started creating jobs by the end of 2009 and have created Almost 5 million jobs since then.
So in fact although there were Bush created job losses of about 2.5 million during the1st few months of Pres Obama Term, His policies have created almost 5 million jobs and therefore Pres Obama has net job creation of about 2.5 million.
I believe the estimates are that we could have had an addition 3 million jobs if Repub didn't water down and obstruct the recovery act and other jobs bills. In addition repub controlled states have made an extra effort to fire as many public workers as possible. Treasonous wouldn't you say?
It's meaningless. Shows he takes stupid risks to pretend he is better than nature! He ain't. It's wasteful, It's hubris! It's selfish! His budget which his Bishops denounced as immoral in it's treatment of the poor is the better measure to judge him.
You support that selfish, immoral, budget? Why because he climbed a mountain? LMFAO
Apparently you don't understand what it means to have fortitude and determination.
Do you think you have the fortitude and determination to take a risk and if you have what has it been?
Please. I grew up in the projects of Brooklyn. He don't know the meaning of risk, fortitude, or determination. His sorry ass would have been eaten up, and spit out.
He climbs mountains for the seeking of thrills. Because his life has been sheltered and devoid of risk. I have had all the thrills I need from my childhood. I learned more about people and managing problems before I was 10 years old than he'll learn on all the mountains of the world.
Mountain climbing?. What a joke. LMFAO!
He found his dad dead in bed of a heart attack at age 15 and worked as a grill cook at McDonalds. Some priviledged background.
You just keep looking more ignorant by the second.
so this rich boy was getting social security since he was 15?
You know when a person thinks they know more then another person they find out soon enough that they eventually become embarrased by making such statements.
You mean like lyin' Ryan does?
I'm just sayin thrill seeking does not compare to real life! Does not teach you anything about helping/managing people like living with struggling people.
Who is so stupid to compare the 2?
How come you arent President? cuz you are a cynical putz?
LMFAO. name calling = weak arguments. I win.
Ryan is a thrill seeking, poor hating, 1% ass kissin, disaster waiting to destroy American middle class.
You dont like the guy and thats ok, but yes, mountain climbing and the ability to work hard and accomplish goals says lot. There is nothing in any candidates work history, including Obama's, that would indicate an ability to govern, but Ryan's mountain climbing speaks to his character and plqces him light years higher than Obama on the character and mental discipline attributes a leader must have.
A Nepalese sherpa has better mountaineering skills than anybody else in the developed world.
How would he go running a govenment?
Your "logic" needs some logical basis to be acceptable.
Our GOP has been devoid of logic since at least as far back as the 80s.
LOL. I'll pay that one.
Of course you guys know I am absoutely correct but to acknowledge that woud betray your wacko ideas.
Yes but a sherpa doesnt have a double major in political science/ economics, a family history of heart disease which he is attempting to defeat with extreme effort and has been held elected office.
Taken by itself mountaineering means nothing combined with his intellect and effort, its speaks to character, but of course neo radicals hate effort and accomplishment. For you guys its gimme, gimme, gimme.
I'm a self-employed builder from the east coast of Australia. Also an intrepid explorer, abseiler, fisherman, spelunker, photographer, and writer. I have an advdip in adult edu, and I'm on my way to a bachelor of edu.
You can assume what you like, but it's not unusual for the right to be wrong. Happens all the time.
That is plain gibberish.
Not from a college background, TR?
Advdip is an advanced diploma, which is the first half of a bachelor degree in Australia.
That I knew. I dobt jnow what point you were trying to make.
Then re-read your post that I replied to in the first instance.
You implied that I am from a handout mentality class, as are all the rest here (obviously you don't include yourself there, I hope).
Not everyone is of a handout mentality, but the majority surely are.
When corporate criminals drive the "living wage" below the poverty line, by bribing congress, forcing people onto food stamps, I understand what you are saying.
I may like the guy, just fine.
It's his BS policies, designed to aid the 1% I hate.
If those came from climbing mountains?
I afraid it doesn't say much for it.
Shows Ryan is selfish, arrogant, and thinks he is better than nature. He ain't. Meaningless entertainment. No way to judge someone, and does not compare to the excellent experience, character building, selfless, sacrifice of community organizing. Working with people for their betterment IS light years ahead of jerking off on a mountain. Learn something, and don't look on a mountain, look among the people who struggle the most.
Wow, are you mentally crippled. Hilarious.
Community organizer has fucked up everything he has touched. Thats your standard? Asshole.
name calling betrays your vacant arguments. I've worked with people struggling and therefore I better prepared to govern. boosting his ego on the mountain is useless, meaningless entertainment.
What that he wants to have a look see before the corpoRATs are allowed to destroy it?
Phonies or losers or community organizers who smoke wont be found taxing their lungs or legs climbing moutains.
I climb 14ers and I can say unconditionally that everyone I know who does is a commited serious hardworking person.
Ryan probably is a committed, hardworking guy. Too bad he works for the dark side.
Yeah - and he should be committed - with all of his corpoRATist colleagues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
And they should be accompanied by the insane of the corpoRATions.