Forum Post: OWSers and Tea Partiers need to unite
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 5:39 p.m. EST by Vooter
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We have a lot more in common than we do differences. Remember that in the United States today, there is only ONE political party--and you and I don't belong to it. Yes, OWSers tend to be more culturally and fiscally liberal, and Tea Partiers tend to be more culturally and fiscally conservative, but at the end of the day, the overwhelming majority of us are well-meaning middle class people who are being yanked from all sides by people who don't care about us, and who want to use us to enrich themselves at the cost of creating a poorer and angrier society. I prefer OWS-type demonstrations, because they create more heat and emotion and conflict, but I also understand that not everyone is comfortable with that approach. Nevertheless, it's obvious that the Tea Partiers fully understand that something is truly wrong with this country, and as far as I'm concerned, that's all you need to know. If the OWSers and the Tea Partiers can put aside their small differences and find common ground, we will absolutely be a force to be reckoned with....
The elected Tea Partiers have not stood for the people.
They stopped the spending bills, which is what they were elected to do.
Nor, have any of the other elected officials of any party. Forget them the real Tea Party are basically the Libertarian Party. They want to privatize nearly everything. I disagree with them on almost all fiscal issues. One thing they have in common with OWS and every other thinking brain in America is, The FED must go. There are many things that are not political issues they are true no matter what side you are looking from. The OWS seems to want freedom and collectivism, while the Tea Party wants freedom and individualism (sometimes to the point of mercilessness). Let the banks fall if they cannot stand, fine. Let the old lady starve if she cannot afford food, sorry, no. Human rights like food water and land should not be dependent on having money in your pockets.
"Let the old lady starve if she cannot afford food, sorry, no." Who told you this is what the TEA Party thinks?
They would like to see social security go away, and have private businesses take care of the old and the sick for profit. In other words no one will take care of the old and the sick. The businesses have shown they will build the biggest bank account possible and will note share unless they are forced to do so.
Where. Do. You. Get. This? Look, on the Social Safety Net-the Left won that argument YEARS ago. Everyone believes the weakest among us should get the help they need. But in reality, what happens to whatever the latest "Help The Poor" program that gets started in the government is is all the tax money collected for said program gets funneled into yet another bloated bureaucratic government agency where the new government employees spend the money on travel, meals, meetings, training programs to keep the new government employees speaking politically correctly to other government employees and pennies...PENNIES...get trickled down into the programs that the new agency was set up to handle. Then they cry for more tax $$...the poor get poorer...it's an endless cycle. But don't blame that on the Tea Party.. It's wasted energy.
I have taken care of the old and sick in my family, I have taken care of my sick friends, I am currently taking care of an old neighbor. What have YOU done personally?
I have offered a place to live to my mother, she refused, our personal families are not the issue. what about people who have no children and get too old to care for themselves? Or who have children that have no resources to help them. Of course we will take care of our own families when possible, that is a given.
anyone can help their own that is expected, no? but to help strangers is something big and good.
Anyone can but not everyone does. Have you ever been in a convalescent home? They are full of old folks that have families and yet no one comes to visit them. The government (tax payers) pay the expenses while the family is watching their 72" TV at home. I help people, including strangers in every way I can both physically and financially. I also do what I need to so that I am not be a burden on others. It's called financial planning. But like I said, the more I am forced to pay in taxes, the less I can do for others.
anyone that would help a stranger is a big person in my book, and hats off to them, as they are on the right path, not a easy path but a good one full of learning
I agree! But sitting in a park demanding others to help them is NOT the answer. Stealing from one person to give to another is NOT the answer either.
all i want is access to my government when i need it and FAIRNESS for as many as possible. fairness is not...... O you know what fairness is, or you should.
Like I said above I take care of my neighbor. He has family but they don't care about him, but my wife and I do. Some of my other neighbors pitch in too. The more the gov takes in taxes, the less we can do for the ones around us.
Tea parties are for little girls with imaginary friends.
they dress up like goddam trannies, too. i cannot affiliate myself with a movement where men take an hour and a half to get dressed and wear stockings
You don't like the Tea Party either?
no hot chicks is the first on my long list of complaints : ). then come the outfits and the obesity.
its just a bunch of unattractive fat people dressed in drag, carrying on about how many guns they have and how poor people should work harder than they already do
That's funny.
Care to be a bit more specific?
Anti-regulation, social security, Key Stone Pipe line,the debt deal then there are the actions taken state side. But, even if we said, lets look at what the Tea Party stands for........there is a huge difference.
There are way too many regulations. The few that are good and important are not being enforced. That's the problem. TEA Party wants to fix SS so that it will be there for those who paid into it without bankrupting the country. They also want to give people more options. The Key Stone Pipe Line? Not sure if you are for or against it but the Tea party is all for it.....and drill here, drill now! Tapping our own resources NOW will turn this economy around on a dime and at ZERO cost to the tax payer. Good economy means good jobs AND less need for foreign oil! The debt deal... We need to reduce debt NOW or we will be like Europe in no time.
The Tea Party is a joke.
Ok, then have fun in the park.
idiot in the house
But the tea party is racist and evil because Jon Stewart tells me so and it is hard for me to think for myself and see that OWS and the Tea Party actually have the same goals. Whoops never mind, Colbert is on. Good timing too, I almost had a thought there.
Both OWS and Tea Partiers should band together on the issues that they share and unite in that cause. Its not only smart but obviously a win win for both parties.
Staying divided is the goal of the powers that control us so why not do the opposite and put your petty differences aside for the greater cause that benefits the people?
Hi. Tea Partier here. I'm in. Let's talk.
You're absolutely right...we have more common ground than our small differences and I've thought from the very beginning that once the smoke clears and we realize that--we would be a real force to be reckoned with.
The real Tea Party has actively resisted being co-opted by Republicans and it's an ongoing battle. But in fact...we worked very hard to primary RINOs. I'm hoping OWS resists being co-opted by the Left. Because at the end of the day? John Boehner is far more comfortable sitting down for a scotch on the rocks and a cigar with Harry Reid than he would be with me. Nancy Pelosi, on the other hand...would be more likely to share a cab with Lisa Murkowski than any of you. This Right v. Left thing? Its just to keep us divided while they loot the country...in concert with the banks. The US Congress is the New Mafia.
So-no name calling. No throwing molotov cocktails at each other. That's what they WANT us to do. Consider:
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Again...I'm in.
states right, while slavery was wrong the confederacy WANTING TO BREAK OFF was also about STATES RIGHTS
I like a consumer movement and a pattern of voting with our dollars to attract people from both sides. I like the idea of organized boycotts around specific things that people can easily decide they want to support or not and vote with their wallet. No democrat, no republican, just someone who says, this is what I want done and won't buy this or that until change HAPPENS. If the government is being bought and sold to profiteers at our expense we can vote with our dollars and get them to spend their dollars to get it fixed and our money back. You could have support gay marriage by and a republican that does could participate in the boycott or not. You could have a drive where democrats who are for guns could donate to to the NRA. So it isn't about choosing some prepackaged deal but where the masses actually stand on each damn issue. You'd by God have to include the issues touted as being critical points by both parties. You'd by God have to include issues neither side will touch with a ten foot pole but the people might want like something to be done about basic service providers.
Sadly, this is impossible due to completely irreconcilable views of what the problem is. Owsers think the 1% - corporate vested interest - is the problem, while tea partiers essentially think we should do away with democracy and give those interests free reign. How can those views ever reach common ground?
Really?
This is the situation as I understand it, as much as I would love to unite in strength of numbers.
How about we turn this into a consumer based movement where people democrats and republicans can participate in boycotts surrounding certain issues? Of course if you said don't buy this to show support for gay marriage, then people who do not support gay marriage would of course go buy it and people who didn't wouldn't. Or if a democrat happens to be for guns they could contribute to the NRA, you have to include issues from both camps. But Republicans who simply oppose abortion and want guns wouldn't necessarily think it was a bad idea stop wasting trillions on basic goods and services because of deregulation and privatization and favored Monopolies like Monsanto. It wouldn't be about converting people as much as letting them rebel against party packages to get what we all decide we need and want.
Yes, this is a very good Idea! If it could be coordinated towards one corporate/power entity at a time, for long enough to have a real effect, it could prove very powerful in working towards some form on unity! Thanks, JadedGem!
One of my ideas would be a boycott of Walmart's grocery department until genetically modified food is labeled as such. Why Walmart? They sell the most groceries and have the most money to influence politics with. Plus they have their own Great Value brands and they need to fight for their right to give the people choices they want! Another could be a cut your bills and only buy the minimum basic services for as cheap as possible, (shut off that blasted water heater except for bathing and laundry), no extra driving to say we are tired of the gouging and we want profits capped on basic services and do something with the oil companies NOW!
Great Idea! It just has to be coordinated and planned, and I think it could be very effective.
Yes, the We.Are.The99% is dissolving before their eyes and the NYCGA looks like a deer in the headlights. It can deny it's role into oblivion, unless it's role was to astroturf the movement for the Democrat party.
Vooter ..."The Tea Party contract with America"......1. Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Health Insurance Reform)..........2. Privatize Social Security or phase it out altogether..................3. End Medicare as it presently exists...................4. Extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy and big oil........................5. Repeal Wall Street Reform.................6. Protect those responsible for the oil spill and future environmental catastrophes................7. Abolish the Department of Education................8. Abolish the Department of Energy.............9. Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency........................10. Repeal the 17th Amendment.......
OWS illuminates the blackness that is weighing on our collective hopes. it is the vision for the 99% that promises a world free of greed and brutality.
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Occupy Richmond has come out in support of the local chapter of the conservative Tea Party movement //////// maybe this is the start of it. We need to get along then we "all" can get the changes that we need
Why would I want to unite with the people that just raised my State taxes 100%?
Who and where?
Look it up yourself.
This is what teabaggers have been doing since they got elected. Wherever they got elected.
Nothing but Koch whores!
Then you must be a Soros whore.
Don't know the man.
Every teabagger around the great lakes is a Koch whore.
Does that make it easier for you?
I'm sorry your late to the parade, but I've been over this before.
The fact that so many of you don't do your homework, nor look at what the teabaggers have done is appalling.
Have fun with Bachmann. Or is it Cantor now?
If you're one of the so called "original tea party" people, you should watching those YOU elected.
YOU should be railing at what they've done, and said.
But you're not.
It's the teabaggers that should be coming here to get their heads on straight, not Occupy bending to your failure.
Yes!!! Thank you!!! Please read and comment here also: http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-image-problem-jeopardizes-potential-support/
everyone loves to trash the tea party togetherness won't hap[pen with all the sniping back and forth. You are right we need to join forces with the rest of the country, then we will be bigger than the Gov. and will be able to dictate to the gov what to do, like it is supposed to be like. Not them dictating to us.
I laugh at those who trash the tea party then speak of togetherness, Get a mirror and spend some time talking to it, until you realize you are what you hate about them only different.
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Generally true but perhaps not specifically in some cases, this post defines that.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/owsers-and-tea-partiers-need-to-unite/#comment-459349
Where are the Tea Party gathered centiall on the web these days?
tea party is a political party, ows is not
end of story
Actually there the tea party is not a political party.
This is a common misconception. There are more than 30 political parties in the US however the Tea Party is not one of them.
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While this is "some" common ground, there are also HUGE differences. This sums it up nicely... http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/11/02/the-differences-between-ows-and-the-tea-party-graphically-explained/
That was idiocy. Thanks.
What do you disagree with?
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/S/3/tea-parties-bumper-sm.jpg
Don't know the facts, go with an insult instead. Typical of the left.
I am aware of the facts. You came here to insult from the get go and, now, you want to cry.
You have tried to destroy everything that is for the public. You have blocked any amount to help those in need. You are continuing and are desiring to continue to destroy the environment. We have more people on the street than we have had for a very long time and still.........you do nothing.
Now, your kind is a little scared. It is almost over and you didn't get your opportunity to steal from the public or have had the opportunity and don't want to lose it. You didn't get your cut.
There is a part of me that hopes you lose everything but your mind.
Wishing bad on others won't make your sad little life any better.
Next time bring more to the table then your whining.
That was idiocy. Thanks.
Everything but your mind, baby. EVERYTHING.
Wow, that little graphic has two errors in just three seconds of looking at it. Not surprising since it was made by a tea party group, it says occupiers dont want unions out of politics, but that is not true from what i have seen here...most people would be happy to treat unions the same as other special interest groups so long as they ALL were held to the same rules regarding lobbying restrictions. The second was juat a glaring insult of wrongness meant to paint the occupy movement as anarchist or possibly socialist without saying so directly: where it touts TP ers as wanting to " fix" the broken system, we occupiers want to tear it down, according to the right thinking folks who made the graphic.
Tea partiers will believe that crap unless occupiers make a very very plain statement otherwise. Of course, it will be quite difficult to find common ground on that fixing part... tPErs tend to eschew taxation and regulation, while most occupiers want fainess in taxation, and more effective regulations with bigger penalties.
"The second was juat a glaring insult of wrongness meant to paint the occupy movement as anarchist or possibly socialist without saying so directly: where it touts TP ers as wanting to " fix" the broken system, we occupiers want to tear it down, according to the right thinking folks who made the graphic."
Have you not been reading the posts on this forum since day 1? This forum is full of socialist and anarchists (very strange bed fellows, I must say).
Mostly, it is full of trolls posting crap to make people think the movement is full of them when they are really a small percentage of the total. So do like your name says, and be real.
Whether you want to believe it or not, unions started the whole concept of OWS...... PLEASE watch..... You have all been duped! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0PlElVWshk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKqHL8eJZO8&feature=player_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKqHL8eJZO8&feature=player_embedded#!
Did not not read eveything i said? "...most people would be". I am not talking about union leaders, or how occupy started. I am talking about the individuals who have posted here.
I do not follow links when the poster doesnt describe what the link contains.
Ok, now I see what you are saying about OWS wanting unions out of politics. Maybe the whole union planned OWS movement backfired on them.
They are speeches by Steven Lerner, former SEIU president planning OWS from this summer and a couple more recent.
Tea Baggers as we know is 2 men rubbing their ball's in each others faces. But what to OWSER's do? Certainly OWS is also gay in the sado-masichistic sense. Occupy my Anus, or rub your balls in my face. Can OWS&TB become one? Certainly they can.
love and respect please
Tea Bagging is an act of love between two men. But what act of love do OWS-er's show? This I want to know. Nobody on OWS respect's TB-er's we have seen that since day-one here, albeit I'm no fan of TB-er's, cuz I know they're a front for the PUG party. But then OWS is a front for the DNC, .. Talk about 'love' for what? Nobody in OWS got off their ass until the economy went in the toilet, all the while the USA killed abroad for 50 years. 'Respect' Nobody on OWS respects anything but themselves, and they refer to themselves as the 99% but they condemn all groups to the right or left of themselves. In effect OWS wishes that everyone come to OWS, but OWS doesn't want to adopt other ideas. OWS operates by CONSENSUS, that we'll told at a later date once they take power. I see neither LOVE nor RESPECT from anyone at OWS. This isn't the 1960's the 'love fest' thing is long gone, sadly. The only thing that OWS respects is their A I P A C masters, who control the US congress and US government, but that 1% is the real power of the USA. The 99% are subjects of A I P A C.
This is simply not true and you are misinformed. Please go meet some of the people you are judging. The majority of people in the movement really care about everyone and are not associated with any political party (nor do they want to be). OWS didn't exist before...but that doesn't mean that the people who support it haven't spent their lives in the trenches for various causes. Now we are united...and the elite in power are scared...
I don't want them to be scared...the only reason they are scared is because they know they will lose their false power of external control which is fed through fear and suffering.
Wow now that is some real twisted fucking illusion, that even though OWS is 2 months old that we have all been OWS people forever. Do you make this shit up? Or do they feed it to you? I have been a protester forever, and I'm an old fart, seen it all, and at no time have I ever heard so much ORWELLIAN bullshit as I do now coming from the OWS consensus. The OWS movement can be explained by the all CAIN&ABLE story or the version in Herman Hesses Narcisssist. Essentially the majority are idiots (99%) and they always seek to destroy the handsome or intelligent, this is the cain&able story, this is why the majority of all people on the face of the earth are poor and ugly, and only a minority are rich or beautiful. Because the majority always destroys the minority. If you truly believe that your entire life has been in pain, and you not found yourself until you attended your first OWS GA then you are one sicky
I am not in pain, I am full of joy.
It seems like you are very angry and negative. I hope you find a way to love yourself. Only then can you help lift others up rather than try to bring them down.
What do you know of love? When in fact the people you protect and support who control OWS ( A I P A C / DNC / RNC ) only know about death, and rape, and plunder.