Forum Post: OWS....... What a joke
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 4:06 p.m. EST by capitalismworks
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So you are all protesting because you think Wall Street is ruining our country? Well I believe your lack of selfworth is your real problem. Protesting is a very weak way to try and change the structure of our economic plan. Capitalism is what our great country is based on. Your protests will not change that. Change your ways. You only have control of you and your own. Learn to make capitalism work for you. It is an amazing tool to be used, not ignored and blamed for all your problems. Spend more time fixing your life and less blaming someone you know nothing about. Get of your parents couch, go learn a real trade and live below your means. The "poor" in this country have flat screen tvs and two cars in their driveway. That is not poverty. Welfare has been a huge part of destroying the American family. Open your eyes. Read the real history of this great country. WAKE UP!!!
I do not disagree with capitalism, although what I do disagree with corporatism which is what we live in now, the 1% having control over the 99% with insurmountable amounts of debt. As for protesting being weak, protesting built this country case in point the “Boston Tea Party” and “Boston Massacre” (the start of American Revolution was a protest). If not for protesting there would be no United States of America.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
So you are a democratic party supporter. Got it.
you are not a ows supporter got it
OWS in NOT a party. Please stop trying to use the movement to support your party.
dont have to read the signs and talk to the protesters tax rich get money out of politics end wars will never have republican leaders support
I disagree. You need to go study instead of sitting on your asses and smoking weed in the park. Chinese and Indian kids are kicking your butts. Your laziness and attitude of entitlement are a disgrace to this country.
So when an honest working family man/woman is laid off from their career of 20 years because their company couldn't pay for exorbitant interest rates or compete with massive job outsourcing, that's their fault? That person is lazy?
That so many companies have failed because of predatory lending practices is sad. Most bankers and stock traders don't do real work; most would be afraid to pick up a hammer! They don't create value, they engineered a system to create money from nothing (compound interest, call options, other stock-trade constructs, etc.) and wouldn't stop telling us we need them. THAT is crime.
So before you rail against the lazy minority, consider that there is a gap between being "intelligent" (choosing a lucrative career path) and being "wise" (choosing to create the most value for others that you can).
If you equate monetary wealth to good moral judgement, you got another thing comin'!
They don't do real work? LOL. Didn't know OWS people were THAT ignorant. Just because you don't understand how they create value doesn't mean they don't do real work. OP is right, OWS really is a joke
*Some, not all, bankers and stock brokers. There is a service in lending, but there is no service in manipulating loan signers into subservience. Interest is only in place for the use of money. Where else money breeds money by mere construct is a place where real value is not made.
I like building things. I take out $25k to start a construction company. The bank that lent me money helped and enabled me to create a lot of solid value for people. It is when a lending institution can, by constructs, remove itself from direct value creation that it becomes obsolete, for the lenders working for such a company are detached from what value actually is. Money is not value, for without something of value to spend money on, money is just paper and nifty metal discs.
I understand thoroughly the place that lending institutions have in our society. Insurance is a good idea; banks are a good idea; government is a good idea. It is when these things become coercive of their constituents/customers, directly or indirectly, that bounds have been stepped over.
A combination of "team fraud" by several large bank operators in tandem with bunk credit reporting, aided by the obstruction of justice by the Fed, enabled the mass scamming of millions of people under their nose. By contract or not, such manipulation should not be allowed to occur, especially when there was once such a powerful profit incentive to lend to people with poor credit that it overrode banking ethics on a mass scale.
However well OWS articulates this injustice is immaterial to the fact that OWS has brought this injustice into the national spotlight. That some of us are able to see past the necessity of banking is what makes OWS progressive. What we have isn't working; why shouldn't we try to fix it with actual change?
Money breeding money without creation of real value: stock options that are designed not to fail the investor taking the risk; credit default swaps on sub-prime securities that were almost designed to fail; collateralized securities themselves, as nobody goes to the bank for a loan with the idea that they'll owe someone besides the bank to pay the loan back, especially when interest rates and other arbitrary structures vastly increase cost to the consumer.
Crony Capitalism, which is what we actually have does not work for the bottom 99%. Normal capitalism, regulated does. That is why we have crony capitalism now because capitalism was not properly regulated.
You should try doing a little research. I see a lot of assumptions out of ignorance in your post as well as insults.
You can start here: http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
It's not their lack of self worth...
...it's the fact that they don't even know what they are fighting against.
Take, for example, the pro-rich Libertarian ideology staining this board.
Agreed. Go study instead of sitting on your asses and smoking weed in the park. Chinese and Indian kids are kicking your butts. Your laziness and attitude of entitlement are a disgrace to this country.
No they are 80% Christians.
There is a distinction between capitalism and neo-feudalism. Luckily, we get to change course by claiming the rights and powers that have been ours all along.
Reading the "real history" of this country would severely damage a great deal of your claims. The heart of the founding fathers was very much in line with populism. And capitalism is not easy these days to make "work for you". It's difficult to get anywhere today unless you have an insanely original idea (that you have a very keen legal knowledge on how to keep as solely "your" idea) or an insane amount of capital to put behind it.
If you think there isn't corruption in the system, you're just another drone kept in line by Faux News. Take it back a few years to when Tyco filed for Chapter 11. Not even a week later the chief executives hosted a Billion dollar+ gala complete with an ice sculpture of Michelangelo's "David" pissing Vodka. I would tell you to wake up, but you've obviously found your place.
Not everyone, around these parts, hates Capitalism. I want to see OWS followers fall in love with Capitalism. The problem is that Wall Street needs to go beyond growing foreign markets and destroying careers in the USA. We need an end to the excuses about how the workforce lacks skills and all this other silly nonsense. Every worker, in the World, starts with no experience, so there is no country where professionals are hatched out of an egg, with five to fifteen year experience. We have computer simulation technology, so lacking a cost effective means to train people to perform computer dependent office jobs is not a real excuse for two generations of highly educated Americans sitting on the side lines. Training people to use pivot tables isn't rocket science! lol
OWS followers need to have the opportunity to create and participate in wealth, to learn to love money. This means helping Wall Street and Corporate American create vast wealth though efforts directed at reinventing our ailing USA. We need to get rd of the Socialist, everything for top and equal poverty for the bottom and we need to show Americans that hard work equals wealth creation, not that hard work equals do more with less. On the topic of do more with less, let us remember, that along with raising our National birth rate, we need to be the Nation of immigrants, we are supposed to be.
Rather than compete with the World, we need to invite the World to come here and to share in our internal economy, under our system of Government. This means that we need Americans to work and to make a lot of money, after all, no one is going to move here, so they can do more with less or so they can get used to the new normal. Greed is a good thing, so long as you are a beneficiary. I mentioned to someone that I am like a Pod person, from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, in a fundamental way, because I believe that the cure for the hatred of the rich and successful is ensuring that OWS followers are allowed to enjoy wealth, to pursue being rich, to enjoy success. When they enjoy success, they won't want to destroy Wall Street, they will be Wall Street and they will fight to thrive and survive, as they are.
Not everyone, around these parts, hates Capitalism. I want to see OWS followers fall in love with Capitalism. The problem is that Wall Street needs to go beyond growing foreign markets and destroying careers in the USA. We need an end to the excuses about how the workforce lacks skills and all this other silly nonsense. Every worker, in he World, starts with no experience, so there is no country where professionals are hatched out of an egg, with five to fifteen year experience. We have computer simulation technology, so lacking a cost effective means to train people to perform computer dependent office jobs is not a real excuse for two generations of highly educated Americans sitting on the side lines. Training people to use pivot tables isn't rocket science! lol
OWS followers need to have the opportunity to create and participate in wealth, to learn to love money. This means helping Wall Street and Corporate American create vast wealth though efforts directed at reinventing our ailing USA. We need to get rd of the Socialist, everything for top and equal poverty for the bottom and we need to show Americans that hard work equals wealth creation, not that hard work equals do more with less. On the topic of do more with less, let us remember, that along with raising our National birth rate, we need to be the Nation of immigrants, we are supposed to be.
Rather than compete with the World, we need to invite the World to come here and to share in our internal economy, under our system of Government. This means that we need Americans to work and to make a lot of money, after all, no one is going to move here, so they can do more with less or so they can get used to the new normal. Greed is a good thing, so long as you are a beneficiary. I mentioned to someone that I am like a Pod person, from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, in a fundamental way, because I believe that the cure for the hatred of the rich and successful is ensuring that OWS followers are allowed to enjoy wealth, to pursue being rich, to enjoy success. When they enjoy success, they won't want to destroy Wall Street, they will be Wall Street and they will fight to thrive and survive, as they are.
we are not overturning the capitalism...we are changing the govenors....we support the one who can stand for us and lead us to a society of equality, unity, and love. This person is not a politician, but is more likely to be a spiritual leader with high morality as well as wisdom...
The wealth and resources will be redistributed, and will be entrusted to those who have the highest morality and good wisdom, rather than a purely wisest person...
the CEOs will still exist, but they can nerver accumulate huge wealth for themselvs anymore...because we will choose the person who are willing to devote themselves to the benefit of others to be the CEOs, rather than choosing the selfish wise ones...
If capitalism works, what's been happening here? I must just be imagining things, what with all of the unemployment, business failure, lost life savings, and wage stagnation blinding me from the truth. That must be it, all I needed was for this post writer to show me the light. Good gosh-a-mighty, this must be one-a-them-there-epiphanies. Maw, drag out the shotgun and the jug, its time to kill us some commies.
so glad you came to your senses bob!
For a second there you looked like you became one of those 'thinking' types.
Now run along down to the magical job shop and get yourself another job or three
Why don't you wipe the shit off your nose, pull your bosses pants up,vacate your cubicle, and give me yours. I'm sure anybody could handle it.
I was joking about getting another job or 3.
Sarcasm and jokes don't always translate well into text. Sry about that.
I'm broke and I don't have a job either.
oooooops! I thought you were one of the right-wingers that I have been arguing with all day. I had a good bout this afternoon, and I thought I was getting ganged up on again. I'm sure when they read this, I will. But, like Dubya said, bring it on!
^^ lol, I know what you mean.
some of us don't care about materialistic lust and the accumulation of capital.
We are not interested in the daily exploitation of others.
We want to resolve the crisis of poverty for everybody, we want to end the destruction of the environment and war.
Through unbiased and careful observation, you will realize that the capitalist system is directly responsible for these phenomenon.
You miss the point.
Just because "people on welfare" have a load of home comforts, does not mean that is the future.
OWS is about Being the Change We Wish For, and is an amazinng, exceptional example of that.
Tens of thousands of people, from all states and walks of life coming together in a spirit of oneness, giving, sharing, contributing and serving wherever needed, without expectation of reward, and without emphasis on material things.
And keep in mind we are doing this for our kids and future generations who, unless we prevail, will have nothing, no home comforts, and will live as virtual slaves.
This is not a "protest" - it is a Revolution in Consciousness bringing in a Brave New World of Compassion, Love, Service to Others and complete respect for and Harmony with Earth and all Life on Earth.
I agree with you all the way but I have to say after interacting with a few people around the OWS movement, there is a lot of indoctrinations to undo. I feel like too many humans are programmed and robotized to be stuck on money and no other virtues. Too many protests and arguments based on other failing theories without reality at the forefront.
However, I completely agree with the direction you stated. Just hope more do as well.
I understand what you are saying, but this movement could not even have happened a year ago, so Human Consciousness is evolving.
Of course people have a lot of baggage, due to a lifetime of indoctrination by the system, and numerous "bad experiences" and hardships, but this will quickly dissipate in this environment.
This is an environment for change which will spread to all Humanity.
spoken like a true person who has money and comfort and can form such an opinion
No the joke is on you, world bankers fucking you everyday with their hired goons. They made you a slave to loans and taxes but then you get to die, no sucker the joke is on you. The world bankers have more power than Jesus and they can send you to hell anytime.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears/
True, a lack of self-worth is a common problem, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government in order to raise that self-worth, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
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While I support the OWS Movement and their concerns; I need to agree with you on something here. I have also noticed how WELL certain people live on Unemployment and Welfare payouts. Yes, I too have noticed the two brand new cars in the driveway... the big screen TVs... and even the houses they live in. In fact, I cannot tell you how many people I have met who are on LIFETIME Social Security Disability because they exhibit a few of the signs of 'Manic-Depression'. I have an uneasy feeling that the Unemployment checks that are payed out each month; and the SSI Disability checks that are payed out each month; and the Welfare checks that are paid out each month (because an un-wed mother decides to have 10 children from 10 different fathers) is definitely contributing to the BANKRUPT state of our Govt. To be certain. And it is my belief, that what has taken place recently, is when the Govt realized the UNSUSTAINABLE situation that has been created, they began to RAPE and PILLAGE every last dollar from the Federal coffers before the entire Country finally tanks. So, what is my point? I believe that the Wall Street protesters are protesting against BOTH sides of the spectrum. The corruption and greed that exists EVERYWHERE. Yes, some say the Corporations are to blame. And, yes, some say it is Washington D.C. While you and I say that it is also the lazy ass fuckers that are scamming our national Welfare system. But, in the end, SOMETHING has to change. Something BIG has to change... or we are all going down the shitter together.