Forum Post: OWS Website Posting Rules - CENSORSHIP
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 21, 2011, 3:03 p.m. EST by infoassurance
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"No Platform. Conspiracy theories, including any attempt to spam material by David Icke, Lyndon LaRouche, David Duke or Alex Jones, will be removed immediately and the spammer will receive a swift global network ban. Fascist propaganda (including any attempt to spam these four people again), will be treated with the similar actions. In that we are very specific about what fascism is: the word has a meaning."
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS FASCISM??? These are 4 very different voices and to say they are Fascist and restrict them IS BEING FASCIST YOU IDIOTS! Give me a hell yea if you hear me!
Why is this thread that is POPULAR not being shown on the main Forum screen?? Did it really take them a whole 1.5 hours to try and finally hide the truth? Hide our DISCONTENT with their CENSORSHIP???
It appears that OWS organizers are censoring opposing points of view. Wake up people, OWS organizers are attacking capitalism, even though capitalism is not the source of our problems. The real intention of the movement organizers is to create disorder and call for more government intervention to create "fairness." Although I don't agree with most of what Alex Jones says, he is definitly not a Fascist. Fascism promotes state run economies (the complete opposite of what the guy preaches).
absolutely ACCURATE ! Thank you !
I agree that Alex Jones is not fascist. But you are wrong that fascism promotes state run economies. Germany, Italy, and Spain fascisms in the last century were all based and rooted from the private oligarchs behind the scene. It is not a hidden fact. OWS is also, as I observe from here in Europe, is an anti-fascist movements besides all of its other motivation. This movement is so beautiful, so consistent, so precisely explainable that I cannot believe it exists. How beautifully humans at the end behave as human. Am I watching a SciFi or am I dreaming. Oh, God please help them.
The people who run this site are FASCIST! Remove you posting rules and let us govern ourselves!!
OWS = free speech for me but not for thee.
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Hello OWS people, did You know that You get infiltrated? Not by D. Icke or Alex Jones, but, e.g. by Ahmed Maher, who is probably a CIA asset: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/egypt-occupy-wall-street/ and adbusters, which is an organisation funded by shadowy donors itself: http://activistcash.com/organization_financials.cfm/o/36-adbusters I think this slip by Your is the best time to identify those who try to con Your sincere causes.
Uh, maybe I'm missing something but that 'Wired' article says absolutely nothing about a connection between Maher and the CIA. And on the 'activistcash' website, I didn't see anything very alarming. What am I missing?
Outrageous ! OWS site accuses Yahoo of censoring them and then turns around and does exact same thing! This is going against everything OWS stands for: open debate and freedom of speech in the constitution ! suddenly "No Platform. Conspiracy theories." Conspiracy theories are not a platform, it's what those who don't profess to them call those who do - it's an interpretation, of another, not a "platform!" Secondly, who says one can't be a Fascist as part of Freedom of speech? But apparently it's okay to be a Communist (which is just as bad in my view- Stalin actually killed more people than Hitler!). This is laughable. Give this website back to the people you CIA infiltrators !
What constitutes "spam" and what constitutes "conspiracy theory"?
Alex has been speaking the truth for a long time, exposing bought off politicians and all the other corruption. It's time the word “conspiracy” is laid to rest when you refer to the “truth seekers” because everything is going to be labeled a conspiracy whenever our government will not admit the truth. This OWS movement just lost its credit in a major way.FREEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Ron P_a_u_l 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the person who built this website:
Justine Alexandra Roberts Tunney jtunney@lobstertech.com
Here is the github project for the code:
https://github.com/jart/occupywallst
Notice, the project's motto:
"Stomping out capitalism, one line of code at a time"
Which begs the question, what does Justine Alexandra Roberts Tunney intend to replace capitalism with?
Don't suppose anyone noticed this sentence ABOVE the whole the paragraph. "This content is user submitted and not an official statement "
It's a quote from the moderation policies page, which you can get to by clicking "Read the rules" next to the save/cancel button below your comment entry.
You did... read the rules... right?
Remove your posting rules and let us govern ourselves!! (as already written below)
Cut off the head of the hydra. Another takes its place. Such is the way of things.
So much for freedom of speech. Nice. You've obviously been co-opted.
You consider that spam material those guys use facts and relevant events that happen everyday we are in a police state. Is occupy wall street being hijacked. Americans have a right to free information and free speech.
What a joke, Alex Jones has spearheaded the ideas that these OWS people have now just recently woken up to? Jones has been out there for 17 years talking about the government being hijacked. And these people are calling foul? This site is obviously fake, and nothing more than a clever propaganda tool.
Yes and the power elite want Americans to fight with each other and be distracted so we don't unite and come after the criminals who rob us everyday. We must transcend Left vs Right and realize it's Freedom Vs. Tyranny! It's called "divide and conquer" or even "order out of chaos".
wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
"Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community as an organic entity, in which individuals are bound together in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood. To achieve this, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration. Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, discipline and family policy (such as eugenics). That state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition."
"Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition."
Sounds like this site, without the "government" part...
This movement is phoney, it's just been exposed for what it really is.
This website is phoney. The Movement started legitimately, but was quickly seized upon by various groups.
government + corporations on the same side = an element of fascism which indicates that is exactly where the US and many other nations are at. People always say "Obama is a socialist". No.... America is a fascist nation and our presidents are merely puppets bought and paid for. Anyone that supports OWS needs to understand wall street runs corporations and our government.
Hell yeah!
hell yeah!
Totally agree with the post. W/o Alex Jones, and the issues he has worked so hard to bring out to the public, THERE WOULD BE NO OCCUPY MOVEMENT. Ridiculous ban. Someone is very uninformed.
Totally agree with the post. W/o Alex Jones, and the issues he has worked so hard to bring out to the public, THERE WOULD BE NO OCCUPY MOVEMENT. Ridiculous ban. Someone is very uninformed.
Hell Yeah!
It looks like they already changed some of the language.
New language: "No Platform. Conspiracy theories, will be removed immediately and the spammer will receive a swift global network ban. Fascist propaganda, will be treated with the similar actions. In that we are very specific about what fascism is: the word has a meaning."
Funny... did none of you bother to read the rest of the rules... This is a site with a specific topic and purpose. Would you want your site spammed? With ANYTHING?? Those that do want to have discuss things on topic or whatnot, cannot do so with rolling spam every 2 seconds. It's nothing to do with free speech.. its to do with interupting the point of the forum.
To repress any ideas is to limit the scope of discussion. There are a lot of problems we must deal with as Americans and ALL points of view must be heard or this movement is a sham.
H_ YEAH !
Road ahead is too hazardous and needs much endurance. There are things I do not know but I know one thing: If i separate a leaf from the tree I'll die. Another thing that I know but with enough doubt is the Iron Law of Oligarchy. If we organize a one per cent will bubble up and they will join to previous one per cent and betray us. If we do not organise they will snatch our movement. We should be patient until we reach to a critical mass of population. Then there are rules in nature that dictates that a group of more honest leaders emerge and open their ways up to lead. Meanwhile, we have to care for each other more. By the way, I am not a native and do not understand why these banned people are fascist. But I know that fascism is usually ideology of that one per cent that we are fighting with. I do not like it.
Sometimes protests are started by the object of the protests and sabotaged from the inside. Classic tactic to deal with dissent. The elites who are screwing everyone hear the people and see the revolt coming, so they start it themselves so they can STEER the conversation. That is what is going on here and that's what the Republican establishment did to the Tea Party. Both movements have justification to be mad and demand change but WHO IS STEERING THE TALKING POINTS?? WHERE IS THE $$ COMING FROM? Keep this in mind everyone. Question everything.
Censor these people? The ones trying to shed light on the criminals that run our governments and corporations?? We live in a fake democracy... it's the unelected power elite that control what goes on and they own most of the elected officials. Then we get mad and change the elected official when in reality they are just PUPPETS. FRONT MEN that rotate in and out of positions of power. We have a two party dictatorship and have for years and will only get worse as the economy collapses. We need specific demands such as arresting war criminals like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama and financial terrorists like Bernanke, Paulsen, Geithner, Clinton, Reuben and anyone else involved in this corruption. WAKE UP!
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The central banks (Federal Reserve) have hijacked our country and run our political and corporate agendas. This is OBVIOUS if people actually understand how the system works. They are a private banking consortium that prints money, loans it to the government at interest and then the government loans it out to programs and even higher interest. They print money and devalue what the dollar buys (a back door tax). Please people, forget stupid divisive arguments. Wall Street is to blame, but they would not have the power they do if it wasn't for institutions like the Federal Reserve and corrupt politicians opening the flood gates for them.
Limiting the topic of discussion in a forum is not limiting free speech. It's not a forum about anything. This is a forum about OWS, not about conspiracy theories. If you want to talk about lizard shape-shifters, there are tons of forums just for that.
This is a forum about everything! If you were on topic to begin with you would have less trouble. Wall street is just a branch of the tree that is the federal reserve. End the fed, print interest free money. You people want something solid and unified to get behind get behind that!
Exactly !
This is not a forum about everything. It's a forum about Occupy. If you post something that has relevance, it won't be censored. Almost nothing is. Stop complaining and start posting. If you're not happy, use another forum. There are tons of them on the Internet.
Really? Then explain to me the one major point that OWS is fighting? It seems to me that it is a protest that involves many things and not centered on one thing. Therefore, it is open to what we as individuals wish to protest.
Like I said, if you post something relevant to Occupy it will not be censored. If you post about the upcoming WWF tournaments, it might be. Almost nothing is censored, there is basically almost no moderation. Don't worry about the rules, just post.
I understand that but what gets under my skin is that they posted rules to begin with.
I agree with those rules as I hate conspiracy theories and find them dangerous for the mind. But, like I said, almost nothing is censored so post away. Come back and complain when you have something censored. Then you can go in more detail.
If the rules bother you so much, write a nice letter of complaint to the moderator. Again, this is not a conspiracy website. There are tons of those on the Net.
Its all well and good to "hate conspiracy theories" Glaucon Unless of course those theories are TRUE! Then you just have a real bad problem with denial, don't you?
None are true, that's why they are called conspiracy theories.
It's all well and good not to believe in dragons Mr. libertyrightinfnow, but what if they are TRUE? Then you just have a real bad problem with denial, don't you?
Do you believe in dragons?
What would you call a theory that dragons caused the loss of personal wealth in this nation?
-- I personally prefer to believe it was the Federal Reserve Bank.
"None are true, that's why they are called conspiracy theories."
-- That is a false statement.
Conspiracy theories are theories (suppostitions) that a conspiracy has occurred.
That is why they are called "conspiracy theories".
"None are true." There has never been a conspiracy theory that was true? Did you really just say that?
If conspiracies don't exist, then that means the 1% are innocent.
Have you watched inside job? The very film so many protesters are touting. That whole thing is a fucking conspiracy, I'm not sure you understand the fundamental issues here if you don't think conspiracies are involved.
I think you have a personal bias against the term "conspiracy theories"...and I would suggest that is might be because you do not understand what it means. The criminal activities of the 1% are a Conspiracy. That's what OWS is about. It makes no sense to be Pro-OWS and Anti-Conspiracy Theory.
let people discuss what they wish, who r u or anyone to say what is more important or in line. it's supposed to be leaderless movement like true community
OWS is based on a conspiracy theory. Do you not understand that? If not for the conspiracists, and the information they have brought forward over the years, THERE WOULD BE NO OCCUPY movement. Why do you bring up lizard shape-shifters???
What gives these people the right to determine what occupy wall street stands for? This movement is about discussing topics and understand why the world is in the situation it is, this encompasses including everyone's opinion not just ones a few people determine acceptable.
Alex and others have talking about the very issues this movement is now concerned about for years despite a shit load of ridiculie, it's a joke these people are trying to censor him.
Isn't it funny that when people came out and tried to say that the World was round - they were ridiculed. Perhaps you are like one of those ridiculers. Ever entertain that idea? Or do you just live in your own little egotistical cacoon? Study history, read the bible, civilizations for centuries have spoken about and even carved or painted in/on stone reptilian/human forms.
I know. I am a reptilian lizard man. Watch out! Damn you nitwit teenagers are too funny! Stop reading Icke and get laid already!
Your comment proves your lack of knowledge. Power elites have always tried to hide their corruption from the beginning of time. Labeling something a "conspiracy theory" is an attempt to discourage you from looking deeper and evaluating something based on the facts presented. Many times you will find that what is tagged as "conspiracy theory" is actually a factual conspiracy between multiple parties. Alex talks about losing our state's rights, the federalization and militarization of our police forces, the TSA groping our children, the CIA illegally wire tapping everything. If you think he talks about lizard shape shifters, maybe you ought to watch True Blood... that sounds like more your style.
Conspiracy theories are a cancer for the mind. They don't use the scientific method and are riddled with logical fallacies. It's bad and worthless research. You shouldn't stay away from that junk.
I see you making assertions, yet failing to support any of them.
What are you talking about? "Cance for the mind"
A conspiracy theory is:
A theory, that a conspiracy has occurred.
Just like a Physics Theory; that is, a Theory that physics has occurred......
Not in common parlance. It has nothing to do with a scientific theory because it doesn't use the scientific method. Conspiracy theories are pseudo-scientific. They are a cancer for the mind since they fool you in thinking you are being logical when you are not. They are built upon logical fallacies instead of scientific reason.
You are employing tautology, and proving nothing:
"Conspiracy theories are not scientific because they are not built on scientific reason"
You also presume 'common parlance' to be in agreement with your presupposed notion -- when that is the very issue being debated here, by myself and others; hence, it is of no value to that debate for you to restate your presuppositions falsely.
Instead, I shall resort to some measure of evidence regarding what infact is the "common parlance":
wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
"A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."
-- and furthermore, I will request that you cease your libelous "cancer of the mind" rhetoric, as it is, well, unscientific.
Why are you talking about this on the OWS forum? Why not go on conspiracy theory website forums where people care about his stuff?
SO... You cry mercy, then...
No, I don't want to waste my time arguing about conspiracy theories. I came to this forum to talk about Occupy. If you want to debate the nature of conspiracy theories you should go to a site where people care about that.
The Occupy Wallstreet protests formed because Wall Street has conspired with politicians and big banks to rob the people of their labor and economic prosperity, employing fraud and criminal enterprise.
That's my /theory/, any way.
Furthermore, if you attempt to end the argument by simply telling me to "go away", then yes, that is the equivalent of admitting you cannot make your case. Because, if you did, then I would listen.
Besides, I'm curious, what is it about 'Occupy" that you would like to say? -- And more to the point, what would you like to say on this page, who's title is...
"OWS Website Posting Rules - CENSORSHIP"
Call me a radical, but i believe that -- on this page -- you should stick to the topic, or leave. There are other pages on this site which would better suit your tastes; that's the beauty of forums in the digital medium; there is room for everybody's opinion.
That's not a theory, it's called hearsay, or a conspiracy theory. It's not based on proof, but on hyperboles and assumptions.
I don't care about making my case. If you need a trophy and want to claim victory go ahead. Conspiracy nonsense does not interest me in the least. I'm done. I have interesting posts to comment on. You win. Take your trophy, and show it to your girlfriend. Bravo!
You do realize that everyone can see through your shallow rebuttal, right? --and that rejecting my usage of the word 'theory' is futile?
I'll ask you this: Why do you think Occupy Wall Street was formed?
What is your /theory/ ?
Read my posts about Occupy. They are all over the forum. They explain exactly what I think about the movement. Bye. (You're like 17 right?)
With all due respect to your Lizard People theory, I will continue to believe that Occupy Wall Street generally opposes the actions of politicians and big banks conspiring to rob the average person of their wealth.
Unless you can show me evidence of these "Lizard People", that will have to remain an unproven theory. Who are teh lizard people conspiring with, according to your theory?
Why do you think Occupy Wall Street was formed?
That's a ridiculous theory, seriously? You believe that?!
It is controlled by the Illuminati who are Lizard People that live in the middle of our hallow Earth. If you want to know why Occupy was formed, read my posts in other threads, or just do some research on the Internet. All the information is there.
Anyhow, "conspiracy theory" websites don't ban the discussion of conspiracy theories, therefore there is no need to expose the false assumptions iherent in the biased use of that term.
THIS website, however, does, so it is neccessary first to open the way for rational debate (by ending the use of such phrases as "cancer of the mind"), and THEN can a reasonable policy be agreed to. ONLY then.
This site has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, hence it doesn't want them infesting the site. If you want to talk about Mr. Lazar, why not just use the proper site? I would get banned from a conspiracy website if I posted recipes all day long. Each forum as a topic of discussion.
Yep, totally agree, and as well you should. THIS page is about censorship within the OWS posting rules. Those rules misapply the term "conspiracy theory", and I wanted the definition clearly understood by those debating its applicability to constraining the discussion.
(It's no secret that I believe it applies and inordinate and unuseful degree of constraint)
You don't use a scientific method, bankers conspired to fuck everyone over and they did.
The only reason there is room for conspiracy theory is because those involved lie and cover up facts, leaving big holes for people to fill in with questions. Is it really so bad to question why Building 7 fell 8 hours after the Twin Towers and looked like a controlled demolition agreed upon even by demo engineers who looked at it? How there are videos of the cops saying they are going to blow it up and for people to get back? Why was that never included in the official 9/11 commission report? Question with boldness and be open the anything, that's what I've learned.
It depends how you question it. If you use conspiracy theory pseudo-scientific nonsense, then yes it is very bad and dangerous for the mind. If you do true unbiased research, then it is not bad.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they use the scientific method backward. Conspiracy theorists start with an hypothesis they badly want to prove. They don't say "Hey, the building 7 thing is weird, let's look into it scientifically." They say "Hey, I know building 7 didn't fall by itself and I'm going to find a way to prove that." It's unhealthy, and unscholarly.
Your attempt at an intelligent argument fails. True unbiased research? How about architects and engineers for 9/11? I'm sure they have done more research than you
His argument is simply false.
"Conspiracy theories" are simply Theories that a conspiracy has occurred.
They are not "using the scientific method backwards" -- his defintion alone supports his conclusions about "conspiracy theories" Therefore, anytime he sees something that reminds him of a conspiracy theory, he assumes that it "uses pseudo scientific nonsense and backwards scientific methods"
--See, his very definition frames his comprehension and limits his ability to consider facts objectively, as do the posting rules on this website.
What does this have to do with OWS? Why don't you discuss these issues with people who care on 9/11 forums? I fail to understand you problem.
Infoassurance was using 9/11 as an example. 9/11 and many other events get labeled conspiracy theories and therefore receive discredited opinion as soon as someone associates the word conspiracy with it. You replied to that example and I was replying to you.
Fair enough. Which ones of your posts got censored?
I would agree with you 100% that some people start with a conclusion and do anything to fill the blanks. Those are the jerks that get the most attention and make anyone who questions the "official" talking points a looney and that is not fair.