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Posted 2 years ago on April 25, 2012, 6:22 a.m. EST by toonces (-117)
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I see some people posting about their animosity towards the Tea Party. I am wondering why OWS (or some of OWS) has such a problem with the Tea Party. The Tea Party rallies have been completely non violent and has respected the spaces they have had their rallies. OWS on the other hand has seen violent confrontations, rapes, drug use, property destruction, sewage and trash left behind. Which protest group would you be most happy to be associated with? Why the vitriolic language against the Tea Party? Why should Americans want to be associated with a movement that is as anti society as the OWS movement?

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[-] 7 points by Stinez (7) 2 years ago

My sign and I were welcomed at the OWS protests (SF & Oakland). My sign and I were escorted out of the Tea folks protest. (Private party paid for by the Koch Bros. at a public facility)

The sign said "Do you think the wars we fight are free? Your fear is very expensive and harmful"

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

The actual founders of the Tea Party would be proud of you and your sign.

[-] 1 points by Stinez (7) 2 years ago

I would have thought so too BUT the fact is that they had me escorted out of the protest by a cop. It lead me to believe that they either liked the wars or they didn't like that I pointed out the harm their fear generates.

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Their fear doesn't generate much harm. Fear is good; people have been complacent with what has been going on for far too long.

How long ago was it? The actual Tea Party was started before Obama even signed up for the primary, back when he said he wasn't going to run.

[-] -1 points by Grownup2 (-31) 2 years ago

The Tea Party and the Flea Party.

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The one who was getting oppressed - it is obvious that the movement that is so attacked for peacefully upholding their rights in legal peaceful protest by the authorities in defiance of the Constitution of the UNITED STATES has the right of it the other party is not disturbed because it does not matter to those in power.

Oh and BTW - get a clue.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

legal ?

by whose standards

it should be illegal to detain someone without disclosure

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I agree and I think you may have misread my comment or replied to me by accident - the only legal right I pointed out is the legal right of the protesters. And that the authorities were attacking in de-fi-ance of the Constitution.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

So you find the behavior of the OWS mob as distasteful as I do. I am glad to see I am not the only one. Great post!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You have a screwy sense of perception. What time is it where your at ? If you look outside what do you see? Does it correspond to the time of day? Double check, ask your neighbors what they see as well as ask them the time of day. I mean you seem to be totally oblivious.

[-] -3 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

ows people smash the windows of private business's ,.............there "protests" are anything but "peaceful". they want violent confrontation..

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

The possessive of they is "their" not "there".

There is no membership in OWS. The people who destroy other's property are not sanctioned by me or OWS and they bear responsibility for their own actions. Did I do any of that? I did not.

You must have noticed behavior of people who were at TEA Party rallies whose behavior was inappropriate? They were widely reported. Try the Google or U-Tube.

The main problem I have with the Tea Party is that they act os agents of the Koch brothers who exemplify the character of evil that we are fighting. The difference is that we know that and the Tea Party doesn't.

[-] -3 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

the were not TEA party people. they were infiltrators.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

You never know who will show up beside you in a public place. It could be some idiot packing a gun.

You guys should be familiar with the phrase, "sanction of the victim".

The “sanction of the victim” is the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the “sin” of creating values. It is from Ayn Rand. The Koch's are her disciples.

It is about people who are so stupid they support the people who are screwing them. That accurately describes the Tea Party and the Koch brothers. Why would anybody associate with people so stupid? I have no animosity for people who are stupid but they will be of no help to us. And I guess if the shoe fits....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tak-im you sure you have not been tak-en in? By the greedy corrupt (?) I mean.

You certainly are not going to tak-e in anyone with an ounce of sense and a real understanding of the real world.

Your masters are done - they just have not fallen over yet ( stubborn as well as blind ) - but they are definitely done.

So snicker while you can still afford to deny reality.

Dumb Bastard.........I mean poor shit head .............. oh hell.......... I can not make myself feel sorry for you and those like you.............blind marchers are so pathetic.

[+] -5 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

the ows pawns are the blind ones. ows people are the pawns of soros, seiu, acorn , van jones .

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow it only took you 8 hours to come up with that snappy rejoinder. I am impressed. No headache? takim what a talent, you are certainly wasting your time trolling for the greedy corrupt...mpmhpmhp -HAHAHAhehehehohoh.......sorry couldn't hold it in HAHHAHAHHOOO


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (6594) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 hours ago

tak-im you sure you have not been tak-en in? By the greedy corrupt (?) I mean.

You certainly are not going to tak-e in anyone with an ounce of sense and a real understanding of the real world.

Your masters are done - they just have not fallen over yet ( stubborn as well as blind ) - but they are definitely done.

So snicker while you can still afford to deny reality.

Dumb Bastard.........I mean poor shit head .............. oh hell.......... I can not make myself feel sorry for you and those like you.............blind marchers are so pathetic. ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink


[-] 1 points by takim (56) 1 minute ago

the ows pawns are the blind ones. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] 2 points by OldCrow (22) 2 years ago

The Tea Party started with a contrived rant by Wall Street reporter (and I think, trader) Rick Santelli on CNBC at the start of the crash in 2008. It was in collaboration with Fox News which played the Santelli piece over and over again with commentary by the usual Fox talking heads. The rant was directed at "Dead beats", working people who couldn't pay their mortgages and one of it's intentions was to distract the public away from the fact that Wall Street had swindled the economy off of a cliff. The Koch brothers have also been big contributors.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

So, george soros, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Black Panthers, nation of islam, communists, socialists and officials in the Obama administration have been supporting OWS. I would rather err supporting the side that loves and supports America and capitalism, than siding with those who are anti-American and anti-capitalism.

[-] 2 points by pennypreacher (8) from Cayce, SC 2 years ago

I wonder if those who like to call themselves tea party members have ever read the history behind the true boston tea party? The members of that party were terrorists, they illeagally borded british ships killed any guards and burnt the ships. I would like to see todays tea party to live up to their founding fathers grit.Ha Ha!

[-] 2 points by Shule (2239) 2 years ago

Change is all about disruption. If you don't disrupt anything, you'll never get anything changed.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Change is seldom a good thing.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2239) 2 years ago

So, then the Tea party is not really protesting anything?

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The Tea Party is protesting the changes that have been made to the copuntry since the progressives changing the country with the "living Constitution" BS.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2239) 2 years ago

Ok, I buy that.

I think OWS is going for holding up the "We the People.........in order to form a more perfect Union... promote the general Welfare," part.

I think what we are all really fighting, are not progressives, lefties, or righties, but rather Criminals and Crooks who disregard the U.S. Constitution all together. ' hope we can work together.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

You guys should be familiar with the phrase, "sanction of the victim".

The “sanction of the victim” is the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the “sin” of creating values. It is from Ayn Rand. The Koch's are her disciples.

It is about people who are so stupid they support the people who are screwing them. That accurately describes the Tea Party and the Koch brothers. Why would anybody associate with people so stupid? I have no animosity for people who are stupid but they will be of no help to us. And I guess if the shoe fits....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hence Blind marchers of the greedy corrupt.

Good one. toonces and associates. Fitting.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Thanks, again.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

... more likely the shoe that fits would be George Soros, Van Jones, Dick Trumpka, Francis Fox Piven, Andy Stern, and President Obama using the young, naive, and idealist OWS protested as their pawns. It is far more likely youth will be mislead than the people who have been around the block a time or two.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

This is your answer to "sanction of the victim." ?? Do you know what "stupid" means?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

The best I could find was reports of 4 alleged rapes in or around Zuccotti Park (not surprising from a statistical perspective, given the number of people, time duration, etc.). I mean, the tea party didn't set up encampments, and in fact (given the difference in the age demographic), you can't really compare OWS to the tea party.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Fair enough. Four rapes committed by the OWS crowd. How many rapes were committed by Tea Party ralliers? How much trash was left behind by Tea Party ralliers? How much vandalism was done by Tea Party ralliers?

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

There hasn't even been an allegation that an identifiable OWS member (member isn't a good word, so let's say, "core supporter") committed any of these rapes. Indeed, OWS supporters were "VICTIMS" of these rapes, ass hole. So not only did police physically abuse these peaceful protesters, but they failed at the one thing they're actually supposed to do, serve and protect. So fuck you and fuck off.

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

What a tool .... the worse thing is, you don't even realize how gullible you are. Oh no, a rape somewhere in the proximity of a protest, of course that must mean the protesters are a bunch of rapists (duh). It's not really surprising that people try to make these associations, what's disturbing is that there's people dumb enough to buy into these associations.

England Gamble, 53, of New Haven, was arrested and charged with first-degree sexual assault and unlawful restraint, according to police, who said the victim was raped either late Monday or early Tuesday. She was later treated at Yale-New Haven Hospital. "Occupy" organizers claimed that neither the victim nor the alleged attacker were members of the group.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/14/registered-sex-offender-arrested-in-rape-at-occupy-new-haven-camp/

What does this report say? Try not being a tool for a moment, and reread the report.

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

dude, you still don't get it, people die, bacteria exists, not everyone is a saint, these are the facts of life, and occupy is no exception to reality. Big cities tend to be slightly more dangerous than small towns, should this fact dissuade everyone from visiting large cities? I mean, some people may be so cowardly that any hint of risk will compel them into hibernation, and that's their problem ... but you shouldn't be surprised by the fact that no one is concerned about your paranoia, your fear of life, and that you take comfort in such obviously irrelevant things. Who cares if tea party rallies are more tame than occupy rallies, I wouldn't expect anything too radical from a bunch of senior citizens (and that's what the tea party is, a bunch of old people strolling out on their walkers to express their dismay at the idea that we elected a black man). So I'll say it again, fuck you and fuck the tea party. I'm not impressed by the rantings of those at the low end of the IQ distribution (anymore than I'm impressed by coloring books) :)

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Wow. I knew it would happen sooner or later, you (correctly) say that a few rapists don't speak for OWS, then you get angry and say that a few racist old people speak for the entire Tea Party.

I'll take "hypocrisy" for 400, Alex.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Actually, OWS (meaning the people who are heavily involved with it) has NO rapists that anyone is aware of, whereas the tea party has at least some racists. Not a single rape has been attributed to an actual OWS supporter. I mean, rape happens, and they happen more often in big cities (by sheer caveat of the fact that big cities have more people). Oh no ... a rape happened in the vicinity of Zuccotti Park (quick Fox news, try to sooth whatever conscience you have left by blaming OWS for whatever you can concoct, and that your less than sophisticated audience will find at least remotely plausible). Well, OWS didn't close the park to anyone (and anyone was free to enter or leave the park as they wished, whether they had anything to do with OWS or not). The fact is, people have been arrested, and we know they were not OWS supporters (so, the end).

But even if it were true, it wouldn't dissuade me one bit. Just like I'm absolutely sure conservative criminals exist, I'm equally sure there's liberal, left of center, left of left, etc. criminals :)

Okay, now do you get it? You've been had, suckered, manipulated, tricked, duped, and that isn't even the half of it.

[-] 2 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Where have I been had? Most Tea Party rallies didn't keep anyone out any more than OWS rallies did.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/police_hunt_morgan_chase_demonstrators_CqeUW5E7WL492bpliLA4DK

This guy was a part of OWS. And, as I said before, he doesn't speak for the entire OWS movement. Look, I'm on your side here, you can officially stop witch-hunting for boogeymen. All I did was point out your hypocrisy when you said a few OWS supporters (Truthfully) don't speak for all of OWS, then you go off doing the exact same thing about the evil "other side" like a good little hate-mongering identity pusher.

And of course, you got furious about it. It typically happens in online conversations, but that's a good thing. It signals inner growth. Someone who realizes they are wrong about something. It happens to everyone, myself included. There's two ways to handle it, you can grow from it or you can just get even madder and start a flame war.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Honestly, I could care less about the tea party. In general (as far as I'm concerned) conservatives don't offer visionary thinking ... that's just not what conservatives do. The founding fathers they love to refer to so much, were liberals in their day, and not even just liberals, radicals (who were fighting against the conservatives of their day). Conservatives like to sniff around for the oldest ideas they can find, and hug really tight. Oil, endless wars over oil, more deregulation, more militarization, just the same old shit, and they cheerfully admit it (yet somehow people still vote for them).

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

This conversation wasn't about the tea party. But you are welcome to change the subject if you wish, or you can continue to engage in groupthink and demonize "enemy" groups. Oldest trick in the book, get people hating each other. Great way to get political power :)

O-Bomb-ney 2012! Now, you see I haven't been "suckered" as you claimed, because I didn't believe your ideo(il)logical rhetoric.

The ones who have been suckered, ironically, are the partisan moron zombies who will gladly vote for either conservative party, and end up with as you say, more wars, oil, and corporate welfare.

O-Bomb-ney 2012!

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Really ... OWS vs. the tea party isn't about the tea party? You guys never cease to amaze me. No wonder why we're impressed when a conservative manages to speak coherently :)

[-] 2 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Gosh, the jokes write themselves. I meant this sub-discussion didn't concern the Tea Party, but whatever.

Now you continue to bleat out the same partisan drone about "us" versus "them". You assume I am one of "you guys"(whatever groupthink enemy identity that happens to be), so you can assume other things about me. This is fascinating psychology.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Equating the OWS mob members with bacteria. I will go along with that. A very good example of the rantings of someone at the low end of the IQ distribution...

[-] 0 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

oooo, good one (I mean, seriously, is that the best you can do) :)

Boo, the Arabs are coming (quick, get the ducktape, canned food, bottled water, lock and load, yeeee haaaa). The de-intelligentsia of America. Oh no, it's Darwin, close your ears children (but daddy, then I start thinking about the calculus monster you warned me about) :)

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[-] 2 points by badreadnaught (55) 2 years ago

The incidents of violence you mention at the top of your thread - I read that those numbers are lower for Occupy than for the national per capata crime rates for the same types of violent crime. I think we'd be well-served to remember that. Occupy is open to all comers.

[+] -4 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I doubt that. When you look at the numbers of crime per person in the US as compared to the number committed per OWS mob numbers, the OWS has to be much higher.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teagaggers are (R)epelican't.

They have produced NO good legislation, and lots of BAD legislation.

Vote 'em all out in 2012!

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I would tend to agree with you that the OWS mob is portraying themselves in a very unseemly fashion. I am glad to see I am not the only one that wants to gag when I see them behave as they do. Great post shooz!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Reverse psychology??

It won't work.

Teagaggers(sic), are still a bunch of anti American (R)epelican'ts.

Vote out all the teagagge(R)s in1012!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

toonces is demonstrating living in Bizarro world.

No connection to reality.

[+] -4 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I see you find it annoying that average people look at the OWS mob with distaste and rather than look at the OWS mob through reality, you would rather call a group that is petitioning for smaller government and individual liberty with childish names. No need to use reverse psychology, you have reversed yourself back to six years old.

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”... Looks to me like the Tea Party is about to win.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I never ignored them. So that's a fail.

Please, do tell what legislation they've passed that you agree with?

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

They support the reduction of taxes and the shinking of the size and scope of the government. I support those positions. The bigger the government, the smaller the individual (Dennis Prager)

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

How many more times do I have tell you before it sinks into your propaganda stuffed skull???

Teabaggers raised my taxes! A lot! To offset yet another tax break to corporations.

Teabaggers have expanded the "scope" of government by passing over 916 laws limiting women's rights!!!!

916!!! And that's just against women!!

Teabaggers are lying POS!

R U 1?

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Tea Party politicians got in in 2010. The Senate and Presidency is still controlled by the Democrats. Tea Party members of the House could not pass any bills on their own. You have been misinformed.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers raised my taxes. It's a plain simple fact, so I'm not surprised you don't accept it. You rarely do......Any more than you accept the simple fact that they have been instrumental in the passage of 916 anti rights bills

Want me to look into how many anti union bills they've passed too, or can you do at least some actual research on your own/

[+] -4 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Again, your assertion does not jibe with the reality.

What you call anti union, I call Pro Worker Independence. Why should I (or anyone) be forced to work and pay dues to a union if I don't want to? I have a right to work. I do not want to be forced into a union. It really suprises me you are so anti choice!

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers raised my taxes

As for your anti union stance?

Good, You should work 14 hour shifts, 7 days week for minimum wage.

No benefits, no holidays, no overtime. No concessions to ergonomics, or any safety measures. no workers comp. No OSHA, No NLRB.

Just you and your little bitty personal contract.

In other words. If you don't want to work in a union shop?

You go work in the one down the road. That was your "choice" all along. It was never different.

Whiny bitch.

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Yet another negative "cartoonces" post !!!

STOP being such a Sucker for The Kochs, dude !!

You should read, reflect, realise and try to 'WakeTFUp' !

Get real 'cartoonces' ; so long here yet so little learnt ! How come ?

temet nosce ...

[-] 0 points by AntiOWSer (18) 2 years ago

And I'm sure you could post an equal amount (or more) of news stories from right-wing sources about OWS being funded by the labor unions, George Soros, and others.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Also "I'm sure you could" do so, so do it ! I'll be your huckleberry !! Come with it ; bring the pain & we'll go Trollolol Together !!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 1 points by AntiOWSer (18) 2 years ago

Because rather than actually answer any of the questions brought up by toonces, you just went on an attack against him, and the Tea Party. Your post had nothing to do with the actual post, and you just posted as many anti-Tea Party posts you could find in a fixed period of time from a single source.

...Why didn't I do it? ...Because (like your post), it's besides the point of the topic. I'm sure we all know who supports OWS, and who supports the Tea Party. For someone to list a series of posts for/against OWS/Tea Party, is pointless towards the topic.

I personally have wondered the same thing, and have expressed it in the forums. I was hoping someone would intelligently answer the question, rather than resort to attacks, and not provide anything actually relevant.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

wow long post

must have content

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

IF you really hope for "intelligent" answers then you'll need to ask "intelligent" questions and not "the same thing" as crap like this :

  • "The Tea Party rallies have been completely non violent and has respected the spaces they have had their rallies. OWS on the other hand has seen violent confrontations, rapes, drug use, property destruction, sewage and trash left behind. Which protest group would you be most happy to be associated with? Why the vitriolic language against the Tea Party? Why should Americans want to be associated with a movement that is as anti society as the OWS movement ?"

This 'double-speak' will NOT wash !! You're NOT here to support OWS and thus The Troll Speech is what it is. It is 'cartoonces' and you who are avowed "antisocial-ists". Read any and all of the links which despite your false claim - are all from different sources and are all very "relevant" indeed !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Yes, I would tend to agree with you about billionaire George Soros financing and training the OWS mob and the violent behavior they have been trained to perpetrate on the areas they mob. Great post shadz666

[-] 6 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's NOT what shadz said. Your comprehension skills suck. Soros had nothing to do with financing OWS and I'm pretty sure he's got more important things on his plate. Follow the money, toonces; Soros gave money to the Tides Foundation three years before OWS was even formed. Tides gave money to Adbusters, as well as hundreds of others. Later, Adbusters was instrumental in starting OWS. A pretty shaky chain of evidence.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

It is all Soros undermining the US economy and government. He is far more monetarily involved in the lefts mobs than anyone is supporting the Tea Party.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Koch Brothers are easily traced to the Tea. Soros is not so easily traced. Im not sure how you can claim the one with the major paper trail, and open admission, is less involved.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

So, you are upset that the Koch brothers support an organization that is working to reduce taxes, reduce government spending, protect individual liberty, and demand representative accountability, but support an organization supported by a man who has spent a lifetime destroying countries economies because you say you cannot put the same effort in to make the connection between the groups?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Im not upset about anything, it is what it is. I think the nation has a horrible spending problem. I see perpetual war and greed, and less and less money for education and what not.

There were quite a few tea people at OccupyTampa on our Oct 6th rally. A very wide spectrum of people. And it remains our largest one to date. And by far the most powerful.

There are plenty of us with liberal social views that done spend money like a drunken sailor :)

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I thought about Soros undermining the economy for financial gain, he's done it before. But, I'd have to see at least a little proof, since this economy has been going down the tubes long before OWS came along.

[-] 3 points by krmlei (103) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Doesn't everyone at OWS just wish, somehow someway, that they were lucky enough to get funding by George Soros. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The Tea Party, on the other hand, is a bought out group and there is ample evidence that it is being funded by the Koch Brothers.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

So, you are upset that the Koch brothers support an organization that is working to reduce taxes, reduce government spending, protect individual liberty, and demand representative accountability, but support an organization supported by a man who has spent a lifetime destroying countries economies because you say you cannot put the same effort in to make the connection between the groups?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 2 years ago

Sturmabteilung wannabes VERSUS Paris Commune wannabes.

I'll take Paris anytime.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Socialists versus Communists. I will take the individual freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution anytime.

[-] 2 points by pennypreacher (8) from Cayce, SC 2 years ago

"If you are willing to sacrafice freedoms to insure your safety, you loose them both." Ben Franklin

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 2 years ago

Sadly, the Constitution was not designed to deal with nutjob billionaires.

And the Sturmabteilung followed their way into National Socialism because they thought they were going to get socialism. Hitler went all the other way once he could grab power. (Plus assassinating or executing the leadership of the SA.)

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

No, the Constitution was meant to deal with the human desire to use power to control people using government. We have far more to worry about too much power in government than we do about people with too much money.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 2 years ago

That is not how Hamilton saw it, nor Jefferson. Nor Teddy Roosevelt.

They were smart. Not ideological. Not excessively narcissistic. They avoided paranoid fantasies involving herds of thundering, scheming bureaucrats.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

TP is a phony "grassroots" prank funded and controlled by the Koch Bros, ALEC, and disgraced RepubliCon operative Dick Armey. Why would anyone but RW zombies and wannabe fascists have anything to do with it?

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Besides being the capital letters of the Tea Party, TP is also a nice acronym for toilet paper. FYI. AUF.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

And really what's the difference?

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Determining any subtle differences that may exist would require a much closer inspection than I am willing to subject myself to - I have a sensitive nose.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The right wants fascism about as much as the left does. Voters-wise, anyways. Both party's politicians love it though.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Fascism and the RW R synonymous.

[-] 0 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Fascism is commonly confused with authoritarianism.

Fascism is said to be an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned but publicly controlled. This does not sound like any thing being promulgated by the right wing.

Fascism is a more common belief than most people think.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

fascism A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy. Any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting and violence against largely unarmed populations.

A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Totalitarian, authoritarian, dictatorial, RW.

Why would anybody but a Teabagger defend fascism?

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

No. That is my point, no one defends fascism. But plenty of people believe in it. It just has a bad connotation. It's like the Nazi party, plenty of people espouse similar views but very few will actually come out and say they are nazi. I just find it interesting.

And yes, if there is one idea the Tea Party is promoting, it is definitely that there is not enough government involvement in business lol

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

No one is defending it, we are trying to figure out where you got that fascism is the same as conservatism. The last thing conservatives want is the gov being deeply involved in business. If anything else, you can make a case for liberals being more likely to turn into fascist than conservatives, due to their nature to look to gov for help on a more regular basis.

How so many people here cant see fascism/corporatism is a different philosophy than either right or left is so insane.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Your definition of conservative went out with Goldwater. Just as the Republicon Party has become a religious cult whose Charlie Manson are the greed-addled in the 1%. And Righties have become fascists, their natural tendency.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

It's a good story Jif, but it is a lie. OWS is far more astroturf than the Tea Party. OWS have been orchestrated by unions, socialists and communist organizations, Islamist organizations like CAIR and Muslim Brotherhood and Nation of Islam,as well as other enemies of the United States. The worste you can say about the examples you cite that you say support the Tea Party is that they support capitalism and the Constitution. I am more comfortable with people who support the US Constitution than enemies of the United States.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

So you are "comfortable" with "a lie."

You RW fascists are the enemy within.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

How can someone who is "right wing", who supports a smaller government be a fascist? It is more fascistic to support a government that takes more from its citizens and controls them through regulations. OWS is supporting a far more fascistic government than the Tea Party is.

But hey, if you are comfortable with your story...

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

"But hey," return some bottles and buy a clue. You're beyond your depth.

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 2 years ago

I don’t like the Tea Party, but I think they are good at projecting an image the masses can relate to.

I also think OWS has honorable intentions and some very good ideas. However, I view the methods and general attitude to be counterproductive. I’m fairly new to this site; and after reading through the threads a few times I’m exhausted. If the tone, language and incoherent posts are a measure of OWS, then it has\will fail.

I’m not a troll and not here to slam OWS. As I said I identify with a lot of OWS’s purpose.

Let me give you an somewhat extreme example of what I mean. I visited the Stormfront web site just before coming to this site. Whatever you think of their beliefs, they are more civil, do not dump on each other with profanity, don’t use much sarcasm and generally argue intelligently. Not saying I agree with them, but their threads seem to have more integrity in how they discuss things. Frankly, they do a much better job of presenting their case.

As I initially stated, I think OWS has honorable intentions; but the demeanor and general lack of respect I’ve noticed on this site will turn off the masses. The Tea Party will probably win the popular poll.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I understand what you are saying, but from my point of view everything that you admirer about Storm front seems fake and scripted to me. Anyone can put on a show to get people interested in their cause, but here, I feel that it is organic and real. What you find admirable about other sites I see as different than reality.

I guess what I'm saying is this site seems organic, and other sites seem like the participants received their ethics from watching way too much tv. This site, to me, represents reality, other sites represent "Leave it to Beaver" reality. I guess i just like vulgarity and unbashfulness over fake ass civility. I believe it to be a generational thing. I enjoy "Shameless" the show and find the main stream types of norms fake and unseen in reality, unless you count TV to be reality. politically correct jargon just is not as effective as raw, raunchy rhetoric. IMOP

[-] 2 points by jbgramps (159) 2 years ago

I think you’re right that it’s a generational thing. All generations when young exhibit the “Rebel with a Cause” attitude. I think it’s part of growing up for most people. My generation had a the saying “don’t trust anyone over thirty” and peace and love.

However, exuberant youthfulness normally doesn’t accomplish a lot, and can hurt a cause. It’s one thing to talk tough to your comrade in arms , but a whole different story when trying to create change and change hearts and minds.

My point is I see a lot of bluster posts here that won’t play to the masses. I hope there are very few people in OWS who want anarchy. That would be fastest way to failure for everyone.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

This is all because they are older. But they also lacked the energy and balls that OWS has. If they had more balls, they wouldnt have been co-opted by the R.

I dont agree with them socially, usually, but there is no arguing that this countries spending is out of control.

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[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Just because the Tea Party are full of stepping stools for the 1% doesn't mean OWS will follow suit. The way the tea party takes the phallus of 1%ers is quite obscene.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The Tea Party looks to me like parents and grandparent of the OWS 1% that doesn't want to grow up and provide for themselves.

[-] 3 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Nope, the Tea Party looks to me like a bunch of cum guzzlers kneeling down and ready to pleasure the genitals of self entitled 1%ers. I'm sure the the crooks/con artist 1%ers compensate the Tea Party well for drinking up all their cum.

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[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Wow, that's a great argument. Can I sign up for your newsletter?

[+] -4 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I notice that it is very rare to find someone here who can carry out an intelligent conversation defending the OWS mob. Talking with OWS supporters is like telling a petulant child they cannot have the toy they want in the supermarket line. I guess my appraisal of them being children that don't want to grow up and take the responsibility to care for themselves is correct.

[-] 7 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

By the same token.

When are you going to "take responsibility" for passing the same lies, over and over and over?

Lies that have been posted here before and proven false in so many ways.

It would seem it's you who's acting as a petulant child.

[-] 6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

The only petulant child here is you and your never ending blank deer trapped in a headlight..........but wwwwhhhhhhyy?! posting.

[+] -4 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Another brilliant post. You simply can't accept another's argument.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Sure, if you actually have an argument. Whining is not an argument. You keep telling us how smart you are. I'm waiting for you to demonstrate it.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Just accept the fact that you are smart enough to grasp these issues.

[-] 2 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Look who's talking. You are like that one guy that nobody likes but hangs around anyways. That one outcast who won't take a hint.

Here's another hint: you won't be missed if you confined yourself to the tea party forums.

[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Great argument, moron.. If you don't have anything to add...don't add it.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Look who's talking again. The moronic mouthpiece of 1%ers! All you do is comment about 'posts' and 'arguments' yet you offer no arguments yourself. But go on, keep sucking on the phallus of 1%ers over the internet. See if anyone cares.

"Just because the Tea Party are full of stepping stools for the 1% doesn't mean OWS will follow suit. The way the tea party takes the phallus of 1%ers is quite obscene." I stand by my statement.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Everyone who disagrees with you is a tool of those pulling the strings. You are paranoid and naive. I stand by my assessment.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Everyone who disagrees with you is paranoid and naive. Not even creative enough to come up with new insults, how very typical of a foaming rightwing mouthpiece.

"Great argument, moron.. If you don't have anything to add...don't add it." Where is your argument? Oh right, you don't have one because you can't think for yourself. You've proven yourself to be the very 'tool' you claim you are not. But go on, keep guzzling the cum of 1%ers over the internet, see how it goes for you.

You and your kind are a blight upon humanity. The day people like you vanish from Earth is the day Earth will rejoice.

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[-] 2 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

"being children that don't want to grow up and take the responsibility to care for themselves" And where did you get this notion? Because OWS refuses to suck on the 1%'s phallus like you are doing? Why would we want to join you in such an obscene activity?

"Talking with OWS supporters is like telling a petulant child" Awww, poor baby toonces is frustrated because OWS won't conform to his loony mentality. You realize you are free to leave right? We won't miss you.

Honestly, this world would be a far better place without you and your kind.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

I notice that it is very rare to find someone here who can carry out an intelligent conversation defending the tea baggers. Talking with tea baggers is like telling a porn star how obscene their actions are. I guess my appraisal of them being footstools of 1%ers who can't think for themselves is correct.

[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

You received replies from two of the craziest people here. Keep up the good work.

Shooz's head is about to explode and GirlFriday is just plain nuts.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I have come to the conclusion that the craziest here cannot be serious. They want to drive me away so I won't post any more questions. I really don't care. I have a feeling what I say gets through to some who come to read what is posted here. I offered to one of the nutz who was calling me a liar and a fake to privately swap contact info. He (she?) refused and said I was trying to trick them. No matter my phone and address is available if they know where to look, but they want to hide behind their Guy Fawkes mask and hurl insults. Oh well, this is a public board and anyone can post what they want.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The craziest here? That would be you. I never did think you were serious, as you rarely accept actual facts.

916 anti rights bills passed by teabaggers and their (R)epelican't cohorts.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

You are unreal. Without body. You are an illusion, only. A shadow without substance. You thoughts cannot affect me, because they do not exist. Unreal. Appearances only. They are shadows, illusions... Nothing but ghosts of reality. They are lies. Falsehoods. Spectres without body... They are to be ignored.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEm-6lYMgCI

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's correct, but you're not real either.

You're a poorly stuffed cat from a lame SNL skit, and we don't even want to talk about whats making you move at all, and someone else does all your speaking lines for you.

That means you're lazy too.

.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

Looks like one of the rightwing looney bins is also a poet!

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

"They want to drive me away so I won't post any more questions." It's not surprising that no one shares your unpopular looney views tainted with you lapping up the cum of 1%ers.

"I have a feeling what I say gets through to some who come to read what is posted here." Is that right? Someone cares to read about your stories of taking the 1%er's phallus? Who would want to read such disgusting stories?

[+] -5 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

There actually are a few nice people here, but most are like your recent responses. This was a great forum last fall. I think that only about 5% of the posters remain from last year, and most of them are hardcore crazies. Check out GirlFriday and shooz.

Keep posting, though! I'll watch for you.

-Mike

[-] 0 points by torusngamble (9) 2 years ago

Take the narrow-eyed green-teethed trailer-trash Skinheads out of the Tea Party ... and take the whiney live-with-their-Mom no-real-clue Marxists out of the Occupy Movement ... and what you have left could very well be the kernel of a new America and - with our endless wars for profit and oil terminated - a new World.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Why is this post up here again?

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Are we talking about the media's portrayal of the two, or are we talking about the average person on teh street that backs one, the other, or.....both? Because the normal person tends to favor aspects of both key parts, and doesnt care about all the extra stuff.

The difference between the two, with regards to what you mentioned, is a result of age differences. Im sure there are plenty of Tea that used to get in trouble.

"If you want to achieve greatness, stop asking for permission".....a

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[-] -2 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

OWS is run by proto-Democrats, who want to collect the disenfranchised, to vote for the 2d-team fascist-zionists, of the Democratic Party. TPM is run by proto-Republicans, who can and will collect support, for the 1st-team fascist-zionists, the Republicans. Criticism of TPM is to be expected, here, where Democrat-trolling and flaming is ongoing.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you are trying to belittle - you will have to work harder.

If you are trying to recruit for the TP - boy are you in the wrong place.

If you are just trolling - hang around people here enjoy slapping trolls. Good stress relief.

[+] -4 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

If you are looking for a fight, why don't you dispense with the "if," and go for it? What I wrote is true. Why don't you just come out and say you are a registered Democrat, and ask me if I want to fight? You wrote what you wrote because you are trash that knows I am not TP, not a Republican, not a Democrat, and as for OWS, you don't need independents, you want fools. As for your slapping, try going for it at cops, when you go out, after culling independents, who can punch. You and your slappers will get your heads handed to you, in the street, in jail, wherever, whenever.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow - did I hit a nerve ?

Are you confused as to who you are and what you are doing?

I was asking you legitimate questions that were brought to mind by your comment and the sharp and cutting tone of it. The apparent direction it took - if you will.

You can accuse me of anything you like - I can't stop you - and I really do not care.

The truth of the matter is ( don't care if you believe ) is that I do not support politics - I DO Support the Constitution of the United States of America. You know that little document that lays out how our government is supposed to conduct itself and how it is to do business - You Know At The WILL Of THE PEOPLE.

I mean this is supposed to legally be the government Of The People By The People For The People.

The People = The population ( living breathing ) of the United States.

[-] -2 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

You know, if I were a TP, I'd hang out at the TP site. But I keep investigating OWS, and up jump the act-up-brand dirtbags and overt Democrat toadies. As for your effete rants, you forgot to redirect your what if-directed rave, complete with obnoxious declaration, how you want some stress relief. I don't think so. I think you want a whupping, which may be what Barack also wants, since he is a crypto-fascist bag of crud, with a lot of giggling geeks, for supporters. But don't get me wrong. Just because I'd slap you silly in the street doesn't mean I would vote for Meat. Vote on that, geek.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Again you trolls need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Probably why you can never find a troll that could come up with a fact to save it's own life. You get spoon fed your reality by the corrupt so I guess you don't figure you need that kind of skill.

I told you ( and sure enough you did not believe me ) that I am not a supporter of politics.

I am a supporter of The Constitution of The United States ( you are aware of that document - Yes? ) and as such I support a government Of The People By The People "For" The People. ( if you are not familiar with the constitution I can understand that you are more then a little confused right now ) That means that the corrupt corporations are not the rightful leaders of our country neither are the wealthy few real people as it is a majority thing. ( you keepin-up? Breathe damn it your turning blue ) What that means is that the American people ( now this gets tricky so pay attention ) 100% of the American people are the rightful owners of government. ( your turning blue again - breathe - did they forget to give you your breathing reminder implant? ). Anyway long story short - The WallStreet shit heads and bankers and insurers got way out of line - granted with apparent government approval. They were both way out of line - see as the government is supposed to work in the publics best interest ( that means do good for people - people are living breathing creatures. Still with me? Not to complicated? Need an aspirin? Breath damn it your turning blue again. Damn your Masters are cheap Bastards I mean either they didn't give you your breathing implant cuz they didn't want the added expense or they just did not care to make sure you got one. Greedy Corrupt Bastards - no wonder they can't hire any good help ) Anyway (getting sleepy? your eye's are all kind of glassy "ANYONE KNOW IF THIS IS NORMAL IN trolls?" oh ok there you are you must be very tired all of these strange new ideas. what say we let you totter off to bed.......erm ah eh wallow (?)...whatever..fallover anywhere we can take this up later... if you remember... will you??? ... not sure? OK don't fret )

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I'd say there is a little truth in that statement. So in your opinion, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[+] -5 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

I claim my above statement is not only true, but it is concise. Taken word-for-word, it has a lot of truth, per word. If you are confused about good and bad, let me recommend experience, as a tutor. This site is run by proto-Democrats, and I haven't voted for one of those, since Jimmy Carter disillusioned me about both Democrats and Romanesque Christianity, back in the 70s. Democrats and their shills won't do anything, but lose to Republicans, in the long run and likely, within 2-4 years of attaining a majority. Are my writings inconvenient, to you? You may be a Democrat OR a Republican.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The Tea Party had no violence or vandalism, yet was portrayed as a dangerous movement. OWS has violence and rapes and murders and vandalism and drugs and incitement and has been portrayed as positive movement.

[-] -1 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

I might actually try the TP websites, later. If lousy mods and trashy flamers keep bugging me, here, I will get there, sooner. But TP is proto-Republican, that is, they serve if not recruit for the Republicans. We just don't get along. I know that, for a fact.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The Tea Party is for America. They are not for the Republicans or Democrats, they are for reducing the size and scope of the government. It is just at this time the Republicans are more in line with reducing taxes and the spending the government does. if Democrats were to see the light and start reining in government taxation and spending, the Tea Party would be voting for the Dems.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

After the debt that we have incurred, doing what Tea Partiers want would be a death nail for the union. You should have formed the Tea Party after Clinton reigned in the debt, not after Bush ran up the credit card. Your solution is reminiscent to the debunked laffer curve. If you want lower tax rates, get your politicians to stop conducting war on foreign soil. You can't have your economic crusade and your low tax rates all in the same package. The worst thing Bush did was run a war on the credit card, while paying private hucksters to carry out the logistics. The Tea Party is a few election cycles too late. Also, another thing that boggles the mind is why are so many Tea Partiers bashing the Gov't when it was the private sector that imploded their 401 K's? That just never made sense to me. It was kinda like that one protester who said, "Get you slimy gov't hands off my medicare."

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The Tea Party was formed because of George Bush, but I agree with you the real culprit has been the debt run up by the Obama administration. While GW Bush ran up the debt one trillion after eight years, Obama has increased the deby by five trillion dollars. I would also like to point out that it was the '94 congress (possibly the first incarnation of the Tea Party sentiment) that was the catalyst that forced Clinton to sign legislation that helped balance the budget. As far as tax breaks or spending cuts, spending cuts are what is needed to balance the budget. You cannot take enough money from the private sector to keep up with the promises the government has promised to the electorate.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I feel you to a degree. But if both sides continue to believe the opposite, the righ believes cuts are the only solution, and the left believing higher taxes are the only solution, then each side will sabotage the other side and the debt will continue to spiral out of control. I guess a good compromise would be to cut from the military, that way the right gets their cuts and the social programs are only needed to be cut slightly, Oh yeah, the bush tax cuts need to go, the whole lot of them. I rather have a balanced budget than an Empire. Do you believe Obama would have borrowed so much if Bush did not begin the precedent? The way I see it Bush gave to his cronies so Obama had to entice his base with the same goodies. Pointing fingers just allows the circle of debt to keep on spiraling. It's time we all manned up.

[+] -4 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

They are "The Obama Tax Cuts", the Bush tax cuts expired years ago.

As to Bush beginning the precedent, Democrats and Republicans have been borrowing more than they have been collecting for years, but Obama has outspent the borrowing of the entire Bush presidency by 5 times in less than one term. You really cannot criticize Bush without the criticism being five times as harsh towards Obama.

[-] 2 points by pennypreacher (8) from Cayce, SC 2 years ago

The goverment could have just told those banks to take a leap, but we could have ended up with closed doors and no way for to get your money out of your accounts. Thats what happened in 29 . My father grew up in in depression he joined the army in 39 at 17 just for a place to sleep and eat, it wasnt the money he was only paid 20$ a month. Did you know that in 39 the usa military was only the 16th largest in the world. Today we spend more money on our military than all other armies put together and still after ten years we cant defeat an insurgancy what ever that is. They dont even have a flag. It should a law that we will not fight unless the enemy at least has a flag.

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

The way it works out, neither the TP nor OWS have strong media, against the drug war, for biomass research, against zionism, for justice, against violation of USCAs. NEITHER are any good, except they can help decide elections. However, OWS is loaded with trashers, who have completely disillusioned me. You know 'em, you hate 'em, they trash.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Occupy DC... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chilling-charges-at-dc-occupy-speaker-if-im-arrested-i-want-you-to-start-killing-mfs/

Rapper Jay Sun began the rally with a violence-laden plea: ”I would just ask, if I ever go locked up or incarcerated, please don’t march for me. Don’t rally for me. I want you to start killing Mother F***ers!”

Is that what YOU are about?

[-] 3 points by MachineShopHippie (216) from Louisville, KY 2 years ago

"He went on to explain, “It seems funny, but that’s the only thing a Government would listen to,” adding, “I would want people who would effectively get the task at hand done.”"

Well, I don't know... why don't you ask all the people who thought they lived in a representative democracy when the NDAA got passed?

How about the fact that corporations have all the rights of people, but somehow they never get strip searched, tear gassed, detained without a lawyer or imprisoned for their crimes?

What about the EPA 'protecting the environment' by refusing to acknowledge that AGENT ORANGE ISN'T A SAFE PESTICIDE?!?!?

How about a 16 year old kid from New Mexico being killed in a predator drone strike?

Or what about the 6 countries where we are killing people every day in the name of freedom and democracy, despite the fact that none of these wars have the support of a majority of US citizens?

I could go on all day, but I have work to do.

Let me be absolutely clear: I do not speak for the movement. I don't speak for anybody but myself. But as for myself, I understand what he's feeling and I understand what he's saying. To me his words don't seem inappropriate - just about 6 months early.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Sounds to me like a government and not a corporation problem.

[-] 1 points by MachineShopHippie (216) from Louisville, KY 2 years ago

The government IS a corporation problem. Or haven't you been watching?

[+] -4 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

That's what they're about.

[+] -5 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Great post.

This "movement" died last fall. You are now dealing with the craziest 5%. These people aren't interested in rational discussion.

[+] -5 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

You are probably right. I ask questions and get called the most vile things. I think there are those who look at what is said and can see what is happening. They want me to stop asking honest questions. They want to shut me up. I have made a decision I will let them attack me and dodge my questions and let the reader decide who they should consider a more rational approach to the assertions OWS are making.

[+] -5 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

That's all you can do. There are some very,very angry people here. Most of them feel that they have been screwed by society and want to take their frustrations out on successful people.

Just remember that the higher their posting "score", the crazier the poster.

[+] -5 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

They want to take their frustrations out on HAPPY people. They are miserable and they want everyone to be equally miserable. It won't matter if they succeed in bringing down the economy of the US, they will still be miserable and blame the people who tried to keep America from failing. It will never be their fault any more than it will ever be anyone but President Bush's fault. never mind that Obama has taken every policy Bush had and doubled or tripled down on it. Bush left us a trillion in debt in 8 years, Obama has us 5 trillion in 3 years. Wars? yep, two more and throwing away the ones we had won. Illegal immigration? Yep! Suing the states that are trying to get a handle on it. Alienating us around the world? You betcha. The US has totally lost the respect of the world. They will never admit it because it does not suit their goal to cause chaos and destroy the greatest engine for freedom and prosperity the world and humanity has ever known.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

So if this is all just a pity party to you, why do you spend so much time here? Are you just a person who thrives on dysfunction or is that just the best argument your wee little mind can come up with.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You got it in one ( actual two but in one shot ) LOL

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Because there are people here whose mind I will be able to change with reason. they will change their mind when they see my questioning being challanged by hatred and insults. We need to make the choice clear. We need people to see the two sides clearly. This is no pity party, this is something that needs to be done. It would seem that my "wee little mind" can up with questions that your massive colossal mind can only find insults to counter. I spend time here because here I can make a difference.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Some of the stuff you interpreted to be hateful is just people clowning you. Don't be so emotional. Besides if you really wanted to make a difference, You would be on fora that had a majority of like minded people so as to brainstorm solutions, not take pop shots at people who don't see as you do. You think my past experiences, which brought me to my conclusions, are going to change because you run your trap. You have a high opinion of yourself. But hey, don't we all.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Yes, sitting around talking with people who think exactly as you do really must challenge your beliefs.

[+] -5 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Yes, I believe you are correct. Most of them are profoundly unhappy people. I really feel sorry that so many people have such a twisted view of society.

I hoped to make a difference here but have mostly been met with vitriol. But I'm still trying!

[+] -5 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

the TEA party is seen as a threat to the dem/libs. they vilify it for that reason. ows is backed by people that want the destruction of the us as founded, the TEA party people revere the constitution.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers raised my taxes. Teabaggers are liars.

Teabaggers have passed anti women's rights legislation.

They are anti freedom!

They are a threat to my country.

[+] -4 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

shoozie, the designated ows whiner.

[+] -5 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I would tend to agree with you. I would also add that the OWS mob want to grow the government to take care of them much as a parent would. it seems to me they do not want to take on the responsibility to care for themselves and seem happy to turn themselves over to the state for care.

[+] -4 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

their goal is to create chaos,.. civil unrest and violence.