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Forum Post: OWS rules! I finally get it!

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 16, 2011, 7:14 p.m. EST by toonces (-117)
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We should move to a new system of exchange agreed upon by the people so the government has no way to tax us. That way, we the people, and corporations can do business without the government being able to take our property to pay for their costs spending our hard earned money on budget items that we disagree with. Government will starve!

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[-] 3 points by metapolitik (1110) 7 years ago

For all you right-wingers, tea-partiers and libertarians out there who whine about constantly about taxes and "punishing job-creators" (yeah right), be thankful that the government is keeping the poor well enough fed that they don't decide to storm your gated communities.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/economic-freedom/

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 7 years ago

Wow, I didn't know Bob Beckel posted here.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

Spoken like a true revolutionary. Take what you want from others rather than working to earn it on your own. Threaten and intimidate opposing opinions by occupation.

This appears to be the prevailing thought behind the OWS movement.

This is exactly why I think the OWS movement is inherently evil at its nature.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 7 years ago

Spoken like a true crypto-fascist.

Take what you want from others via the corrupt financial system that siphons wealth from the workers and channels it directly to upwards (rather than actually working to earn it on your own).

Then rationalize this as being "productive" (by virtue of the fact that you've convinced yourself that your wealth is actually "earned"). Then threaten and intimidate opposing opinions in the Occupation Movement by labeling them as "radicals" and "revolutionaries", when they are really just every day people who want paid employment and access to an honest job.

This appears to be the prevailing thought behind the OWS haters - be they paid employee-trolls of the establishment or genuine knuckle heads that come in here to mouth off.

This is exactly why Capitalism, Wall St. and the Neo-Feudal / Quasi-Fascist, Corporate-State that we currently find ourselves in is inherently evil by it's very nature.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/communism-is-the-way-to-go/#comment-513577

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nutshell-is-back-new-and-improved/

http://metapolitik.org/nutshell

http://metapolitik.org/article/approaching-metapolitical-discourse

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago
  1. Crypto-fascist? Jeeze, sounds important. I thought I was just some guy trying to figure out why the OWS crowd believe what they do. I hope crypto-fascist pays better than what I currently do....

  2. I do not "take", what money I get I earn by performing a task that others would rather I do than do themselves, and pay me for the privilege of having me do it.

  3. I do earn what I make (or at least the people who hire me again and again believe I do)

  4. As far as labeling you "revolutionaries and radicals, look at the top of this page, tool. You label yourselves revolutionaries and radicals.

  5. They do not want a paid job, they want to take through taxation what others have earned. If they wanted a job, there are jobs to be had.

  6. I don't hate the OWS crowd, I feel sorry they have no idea they are just being used as useful idiots for revolutionary change to our system of government and economy by those who desire the power to take away freedom of choice and and individuality. I would prefer we restore the Constitution where the government is restricted to taking care of what it is tasked to do and leave the people and their businesses to do what they do.

  7. We do not have a free market capitalistic economy at this time. We have a government controlled, top down orchestration of an economy. OWS seeks to give even more control to the government to rein and control business and individual freedom.

I just love how anyone who disagrees with me labels me as part of some machine or troll or paid poster that is just here to disrupt the site. I am just some guy who has worked hard and raised my children and see this movement as a threat to me to live my life as I choose. It looks to me like a bunch of greedy little children who wish to take from those who have earned and use the money as they see fit rather than earning the money themselves and doing what they want to do with the money they have earned.

[-] 3 points by CriticalThinker (140) 7 years ago

Which part of OWS wants jobs do you NOT understand? Is it the "wants" or "jobs" that is confounding you? Are you ignorant (which can be corrected and forgiven) or are you willfully ignorant?

OWS does NOT want to give more control to the government with respect to gainful (important word: gainful) employment. The government (bought & paid for) is in bed with the corporatists. That IS part of the problem. There is little or no gainful (re-read: GAINFUL) employment.

YOU may currently enjoy gainful employment today. Tomorrow is a new day.

If you bristle at being labeled, then don't label OWS evil, or "bunch of greedy little children" (your words). You are ingesting the gruel of the LSM and they too are bought and paid for.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 7 years ago

1) Crypto-Fascist is an actual term used in political discourse. If you spent more time researching the issues and less time attacking people who choose not to understand or empathise with, you would already know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascism

2) For all I know, you live off of a trust-fund check from your inheritance or a dividend from your stock options. If you actually had to work for a living, you would be siding with the protesters.

3) So you keep saying (we already covered this in #2, above)

4) Where specifically on this page do you see this?

5) Clearly, your head is firmly buried in the sand. Have you looked in the help wanted ads lately? THERE ARE NO JOBS and ACTUAL unemployment rates are estimated at somewhere around 30%!!!

6) Why on Earth would ANYONE want to take away your freedoms? (Besides Wall St. that is)

7) This is the one thing that I agree with you on. If this was true free market capitalism, we'd all be independent contractors and there would be no bailouts of government subsidies. What we have instead is a Neo-Feudal, quasi-fascist corporatocracy, where 1% of the country acts as the financial dictatorship for the 99%.

THIS IS WHY WE PROTEST!!!

For extra flogging, please see: CriticalThinker's post, below.

Troll

[-] 1 points by RobinHood2012 (39) 7 years ago

Loser. Please leave this country. I'm sure many of us would help pay your moving expense. Who taught you to hate so much? Was it your parents? Or someone who failed and decided to teach?

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 7 years ago

Should've called yourself: SheriffofNottingham2012

[-] 1 points by elf1 (3) 7 years ago

Government is corrupt - with corporations - who's taxing you? Oh yes they are one in the same. Your big government - is my wallstreet - how is that lost on you?

[-] 1 points by sallyc (2) 7 years ago

It is estimated that over 350,000 businesses in the United States are involved in barter exchange activities. There are approximately 400 commercial and corporate barter companies serving all parts of the world. There are many opportunities for entrepreneurs to start a barter exchange. Several major cities in the U.S. and Canada do not currently have a local barter exchange. There are two industry groups, the National Association of Trade Exchanges (NATE) and the International Reciprocal Trade Association (IRTA). Both offer training and promote high ethical standards among their members. Moreover, each has created its own currency through which its member barter companies can trade. NATE's currency is the known as the BANC and IRTA's currency is called Universal Currency (UC).[citation needed]

The first exchange system was the Swiss WIR Bank. It was founded in 1934 as a result of currency shortages after the stock market crash of 1929. "WIR" is both an abbreviation of Wirtschaftsring and the word for "we" in German, reminding participants that the economic circle is also a community.[citati

[-] 1 points by Argentina (178) from Puerto Madryn, Chubut 7 years ago

There are some... for sample Bitcoins... it should be so strong that even Paypal doesnt allows it because it will be competition for them. Anyways sooner or later, never minds if you use bitcoins, dollars , gold, salt , some tax should apply , we need free police,justice , education, health, defense ...that whats tax should be for.

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

You say you want free police, education health...

Are you willing to work for free in these occupations?

If not, why do you expect others to work for free in these occupations?

If people are taxed (property taken from people at the point of a gun), it really isn't "free", is it?

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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 7 years ago

OWS rules! Well, at least this time one of the trolls didn't use forty-year-old surfer slang. like, "Dude" . . . so they're slowly improving. One-half-cheer for what passes for troll education.

[-] 1 points by REALamerican (241) 7 years ago

We should be taxed by the government, so they can carry out the orders of the constitution. we are, however, taxed far too much.

[-] 1 points by CriticalThinker (140) 7 years ago

So long as the federal government is executing the two duties they are responsible for, specifically, ensuring that no individual's God given rights are infringed and to provide for the common defense. Yes, we the 99 are taxed far too much.

[-] 0 points by REALamerican (241) 7 years ago

No, EVERYONE is taxed far too much

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

But we should fight the tyranny. Government takes your property at the point of a gun. If we would agree to a form of unregulated exchange, they would have noo jurisdiction to tax a form of exchange that was outside the purvue of the laws.

[-] 1 points by CriticalThinker (140) 7 years ago

OWS is fighting the tyranny. Government does "take" our money and it is NOT ratifiedin the Constitution.

[-] 1 points by Coriolanus (272) 7 years ago

"If we would agree to a form of unregulated exchange, they would have noo jurisdiction to tax a form of exchange that was outside the purvue of the laws."

Could that be done legally? For example, barter transactions require tax filing (1099-B or 1099-Misc). The IRS definition: "Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money." So I am not sure how you would get around this (and dealing with the IRS is not fun). I imagine in a small community of people you could fly under the radar for a while, but that would not have a big impact on the country as a whole.

[-] 1 points by Occupyoneer (52) 7 years ago

Not only is what you're suggesting misguided, but it's contemptuous, unfeasible and does not represent the views of the majority of people in the OWS movement. Stay in school.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

I thought the OWS wanted to get away from government intervention and move towards individual freedom. If we were to agree on a new form of reciprocity the government has not regulated, we would be able to live our lives free from government regulations... until they caught on and started demanding the proceeds of the sales of the new system of remuneration.

[-] 1 points by Occupyoneer (52) 7 years ago

Whoever told you that OWS wants to get away from government intervention and move towards individual freedom was either flat out wrong, or you didn't understand them fully. Lack of accountability and oversight is a big part of what got us into this financial mess - we're not advocating for less.

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

So, you are against individual freedom?

[-] 1 points by Occupyoneer (52) 7 years ago

If by individual freedom you mean anarchy, then yes, I suppose I would be against anarchy. But if by individual freedom you mean the freedom to live as an individual in a civilized and relatively harmonious society that truly represents the will of the people, then I'd say I'm all for it. I don't like inappropriate government control any more than you do. The truth is, the only practical solution I see at present that has the power of protecting us from the overreach of not only inappropriate government control, but also that of foreign influence and multinational corporations, is an appropriate government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

Sigh...

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago
[-] 0 points by fishb8 (62) 7 years ago

And yea the bandits and Zombies will eat you . . . . . .Gheeeeeesshhh...!

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 7 years ago

Neocon fascist!