Forum Post: OWS Pro Gun Control Paradox
Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 16, 2012, 3:32 a.m. EST by freakyfriday
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Let's see. WHo is anti gun? I know, I know!! The ONE PERCENT!!!!
But, but, owsers on this website say guns are evil. Do you mean they are doing the heavy lifting for Bloomberg, Soros, Buffet, Hollywood Millionaires, Kerry, Clinton, Obama and all those other elitists who can afford armed guards who will be legal no matter what sort of gun control laws are passed that disregard the 2nd amendment?
Yep, seems so.
But, but, how can THAT be? OWS is AGAINST the 1%, right?
Well, they say they are, but frankly, they are nothing more than useful idiotsm but shhhhhh, don;t tell them that until after we disarm Amreica. After that, it really won't matter.
We already have cameras on every corner, drones in the sky and a complete record of all their internet and cellphone acitivity, BUT those pesky guns gotta go before we make our move.
I think OWS ... in my opinion ... would be for gun control. The 1% will walk over glass make a nickel, this is why we formed. We know this...The selling of AK's has no purpose, but the pursute of money. My want of control, is not all guns...and I think OWS feels that way too. But I do want less machine guns and stricture procedures to get any gun. So are we for or against? I think you have to state what guns you are talking about...it isn't that black and white
As best as I can determine OWS has no “official” stand on gun control. However, if this forum is any measure, owsers seem to be evenly split between heavy gun control and total confiscation of guns. It seems very few owsers here think we already have enough gun control.
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There are very few machine guns in circulation. The so called 'assault weapon' is an imitation m-16 like the army uses. The so called assault weapon is merely a semi automatic rife. 1 bullet fired per pull of the trigger.
guns are not going to save you from the new world order. only getting off your fat libertarian ass and taking it to the street will.
Dredging up an old post, but it's worthy of comment, QM.
Can you imagine what would happen if things actually got to the point where Jack and Jill Average hit the streets with their guns in a protest march against the cops?
It's probably a pre-requisite for a safe protest that nobody gets to bring a gun.
can you say fema camps.
Those camps will come in handy for the hordes of political hangers-on who will need accommodation after the revolution renders them the new homeless.
Gotta think ahead in this game.
91% for criminal background checks
82% want increased government spending on mental health programs
79% are for increased government spending for law enforcement and school officials for armed attacks
75% think criminal penalties should be increased for those buying guns for someone who hasn't passed background check
70% want the feds to spend $4 billion to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street
69% would like the government to spend $30 million to help schools develop emergency response plans
67% want to ban the possession of armor-piercing bullets by anyone other than the military or law enforcement
60% would strengthen the ban on assault weapons that expired in 2004
54% want to limit the sale of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds or less
Yep. I want your ass to have a criminal background check.
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I really cannot understand why so many so-called occupiers are anti gun. I also cannot understand why they keep posting about gun control... gun control will not tame wall street or end crony capitalism.
Probably for the same reason that you right wing fascist fucks keep posting about gun control.
Wow. You are a real charmer, There are like 3 dozen anti gun posts on this forum and this appears to be the only pro(?) one I have seen. Take a chill pill, bitch.
Fuck you, little cockroach. You're lips are moving and that means you're lying.
The reason why so-called "occupiers" are anti gun is because the vast majority who are anti gun live in big cities where they have never been involved in firearms ownership but yet they think they know what's best for everyone else.
Conn just past one of the most restrictive gun laws on the books. Lets look at how things are going a year from now and compare their murder rates before and after the new laws - I will be willing to bet anyone that things aren't going to change.
Yeah, have yet to hear of any proposed law that will do squat about violence. Be it background checks or registration, criminals are not going to participate.
Lets see what happens in Conn. They just passed the most stringent gun laws in the country. I will be willing to bet that the youth firearm violence stats will be the same next year as they are this year if not higher.
WTF? Where do you come up with this shit?
Actually, Stormcrow1 is more right than wrong. At least that’s how it seems to me,.
Pffttt.
HA!, I always appreciate an honest response.
With the exception of very few people on this site the majority of people who post here don't know a whole lot about firearms ownership let alone state or federal laws pertaining to firearms ownership.
Save it. That's called overgeneralizing. If it sucks so bad, I'm sure you can find your way out.
I have found my way out by "educating myself abour firearms laws and firearms ownership" , which by the way, a lot of people who speak out about more gun control haven't.
They are the ones who live in "nanny states" and think it's the governments job to look after them.
They are the ones who live in "nanny states" and think it's the governments job to look after them. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
And there you go again, fucking it all up. kind of like watching someone dive into a swimming pool with no water.
You're an asshole. Shut the fuck up. You don't know jack shit about guns.
With a reply like that I must have hit a nerve. Care to make a wager to see who knows more about firearms?
If you can't back up what you spew you shouldn't be spewing it - you know nothing about me so to say I know "jack shit" about guns tells me you are letting your emotions over ride your ass.
Where did you go?
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You're an asshole. Shut the fuck up. You don't know jack shit about guns. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
You're a fucking multiple ID cockroach. You don't know shit about anything. You shut the fuck up. You dumb fucking piece of shit.
Ladies please...
I've already dealt with one dumb fucking bitch. This is going to be a walk in the park.
You are too smart to be using language like that. What would your daughter think?
Too smart? LOL I love sarcasm!
I seem to continuously outshine your dumb ass. Anytime you are ready lil' cockroach.
I stand by my comment.
Violence is extremely ineffective.
Is it even possible to use a gun non violently?
Why can't you just stick your chewing gum on the cameras?
me
No paradox - just numbers & facts
Wacky wayne and other opponents of the expanded use of background checks to prevent firearms getting into the hands of felons and others who shouldn’t be allowed access to deadly weapons frequently make the argument that a criminal isn’t going to try to purchase a weapon legally, and that he or she will simply go to some inner-city street corner to buy an illegal gun.
In fact, background checks do work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Between November 1998, and February 2013,
FBI statistics prove more than one million attempts to purchase weapons were denied as a result of federally-mandated background checks.
More than 58 percent of these denials were due to the applicant being convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years.
Another 10 percent were due to the applicant being convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence Conviction.
Almost 10 percent were fugitives from justice. Many were arrested when they came back to pick up their gun!
Yet, it is estimated that 40 percent of all gun sales are transacted without any background check at all because of loopholes such as the gun show rule, in which a private gun owner can sell a gun to another private person at a gun show without any check at all.
There’s no need to look for the apocryphal street corner —
just head for the nearest gun show.
We need universal background checks now.
Robert Checchio
91% of Americans want more gun control
GUNS – Facts & numbers & opinion & solution
FACTS: There is little difference between a gun owner and a gun buyer
There is no difference between a gun owned and a gun bought
The constitution does give some people the right to “bear some arms”
More Americans ( in absolute numbers & per capita ) are killed by guns than in almost any other country ( USA 11,000+; England 35 )
Almost no hunters hunt with semi-automatic weapons
“Assault weapon” is a term well defined in law but not well understood
Legislatures & courts ( including SCOTUS ) have set numerous limits on the 2nd amendment’s right to “bear arms”
Just like legislatures & courts ( including SCOTUS ) have set numerous limits on the 1st amendment’s right to “free speech” [ no “fire in a crowded theatre” ]
You can buy a revolver arm but not a grenade launcher arm
A 9 year old cannot buy a shotgun
Australia & England both passed strict new gun control laws –
………and drastically cut their gun deaths
The nra uses its members to sell guns for the gun manufacturers
It is illegal to drive an un-registered car
It is illegal to drive if you are un-licensed
It is illegal to drive an un-insured car
The 1994 “assault weapons ban” did not work because it did NOT ban assault weapons – it only banned their sale or manufacture.
OPINIONS
The real problem never discussed: It is not the gun sellers or the gun buyers –
or even the guns - it is the gun OWNERS
I would divide most gun deaths into five categories:
the Sandy Hook mass murderers,
drug related street crime,
non-drug related street crime,
“personal” crimes of anger,
suicide.
Consider each one - all would be reduced if we reduced the number of guns ( and legalized drugs ). The complex, conflicting state laws and the huge number of guns owned by Americans makes confiscation ( that no one is advocating ) totally unfeasible
We need a uniform federal gun law
The “mental health” issue is an nra stall – unless they agree that everyone who OWNS a gun must be psychoanalyzed and certified “safe to own guns”.
The nra’s “American culture is different” is another stall – most countries have hunters, violent movies, citizen owned guns, violent video games, drugs.
Background checks & closing the gun show loophole will help –
but ONLY with new sales –
it does nothing about OWNERS – and there are 100,000,000 of them. If just 1/10 of 1% of them are crazy, that’s 10,000 crazy gun OWNERS!
SOLUTION: Based on reducing guns, not confiscation
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multi-millionaire gun manufacturer wayne lapierre who works for koch brothers & gets paid over $1,000,000 / year
to get his army of lemmings to keep buying guns.
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While some people may want to confiscate guns, I don’t.
Here is a much more feasible approach.
It will not solve all gun problems, but it will
reduce the number of guns
and that will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns -
and isn't THAT our real goal?
My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.
Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our 11,000+ gun disasters:
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all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.
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every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.
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as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.
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every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police
additionally -
Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:
Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19
The nra & its trolls are claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation.
Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns in a state or in a country adds to the risk of homicides.
More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.
When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.
In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England
For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1
For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9
VERY IMPORTANT:
▬► The 1994 gun "ban" did NOT ban assault weapons.
▬►It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.
▬►For $300 you can buy a legal accessory to make an AR15 fully automatic (800rpm)
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that there are "undoubtedly" limits to a person's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment, but that future court cases will have to decide where to draw the line. That line could be between you and an AR15.
And of course if we stopped money going from advocacy groups & corporations to buy politicians, this would be a very big step in the right direction
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Anyone who is pro-gun is pro American. Anyone who is anti-gun is pro freedom.
Both parties and the majority of Americans are pro gun, pro military and pro violence.
It seems to me that OWS should fall on side of advocating for freedom and not violence.
Gun control is not about disarming America. Period. The world doesn't revolve around your paranoia.
Yes, It is. I understand you don’t believe that. But the fact is a lot of people really want to take away ALL guns. What you’re calling paranoia is a valid response to those who want ALL guns gone. Gun owners know the endgame is to incrementally legislate ALL guns out of existence. They know if they give an inch the gun grabbers will take a mile.
No. This is where I point out that the second amendment was incorporated.
Then you say that you understand that but that there are people who keep making statements to the press.
Then I say that it doesn't matter.
Then you say that they will be taking away your guns because you will refuse to register them.
It really hasn't been long enough.
I'm sorry, but I must ask you if it's true that every time there's another sink hole in Florida, a whole bunch of you guys come crawling out repeating the same nonsense?
Will you be going on about agenda 21 soon too?
So you don't want to take ALL the guns away. I've read a number of your posts where you advocate taking all guns. Am I wrong?
Just from bozos that think liberals are out to get them and lame'o's that believe in the agenda 21 bullshit, and stuff like that.
They don't think clearly enough to own guns for any reason at all.
I had to look up what agenda 21 was. Still don't understand what the UN has to do with you wanting to take MY guns.
Also, it's true the gun grabbers want ALL guns. You just admitted as much. Are we clear now?
Nope we aren't.
You shouldn't have any access. You suffer from paranoid delusions.
Do have any idea what brought those on?
Listen, It’s perfectly normal to sit in the closet and fondle my guns. It’s not nice to bully us just because we have a fetish.
The fetish doesn't bother me as much as the delusions.
When did they first start occurring?
I like the cut of your jib. It's better than the cut of his gibberish.
Gun abolition is about freedom.
Gun control promotes criminality by forcing illegal guns further underground.