Forum Post: OWS movement will achieve nothing and it fantom accomplishments fade away soon
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 24, 2011, 12:03 p.m. EST by Cancelcurrency
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The real solution for variety of problems we are facing is abolishing of money. But that is Communism. How are you going to accept it if it was trashed for all your life? And what another choice you have? Everything else will not abolish money and will not solve the "root of all evils" problem. If your do not believe me, good luck with your efforts! Your will go by circles until this movement totally become nonsense and fades away.
Of the sincere comments, one group says, "stop seeking instant gratification", one group says, "it's over" and "what next"? One group looks back and feels gratification for what has been done while the other group looks ahead for more to do. Don't just pat your back over the greatest mobilization to date and reject new efforts and methods to expand the movement. What is the limit? We won't find out if we don't try to draw in more people who want to do more. Every tool must be used to advance our cause and the time is now to start organizing voting power. Find your Congressional District here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_congressional_districts Meet up with all you can find in your district and elect two representatives for the National Convention in Philadelphia on July 4, 2011. That alone will give the people in your district two potential Congressional Representatives for the November National elections and draw publicity and votes for the 99ers. People want to do, not watch and wait! It's a peoples movement, so move! Don't ask!
good luck surviving winter...
we can discuus this from every point of view till we have a forum on point of veiws. And please don't take me wrong, because this is starting to be one of the best. But. after 4 yearts of wanting this movement, I feel this is should start off our agenda. Once we accomplish this big one, then the rest is easier...
Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "Once Again." And a Million People March to Capitol Hill will help get it done!
For example, "We are here Congress because we want you to REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which was created to help save our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies -- Congress why can't you learn a history lesson from 1929? It doesn't work. Btw, why did most of you vote for most of it's repeal in 1999? Shattering The Glass-Steagall Act: http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act (2nd story here)
Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with lawmakers like Senator Phil Gramm who helped create legal gambling casinos for our banks: CNN's The Ten Most Responsible for Economy Collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related
Furthermore, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 250 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right thing, or you're part of the 1%."
So why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole. Former head of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission speaks to Congress on the high price of oil--and he's not happy about energy deregulations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related
Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the shattering of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw
Let's get focused and bring back The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will help create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the big brokerage firms and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.
Let's get organized and reinstate these critical financial reforms by a Million People March to Capitol Hill!
happy happy joy joy.
Of course. Communism has been successful everywhere it has been implemented, right? Or are we so much better that we, out of all the rest of the world, will finally get it right?
Where have you seen Communism implemented? Do not fool yourself, Korea, Cuba, USSR where never Communist. They all function on money. Communism does not use money. USSR was Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. That is what USSR stands for. Are we better in accomplishing everything? Sure! Only everything in this life have two sides. Industrialization does not have freedom and happiness apparently. Robots can't be happy.
Marx said socialism was a stepping stone to communism. Nobody has ever been successful enough with socialism to even get to that step which puts a crimp in his theories. Yet you assume it is a panacea even though it has never been able to be tried. I believe it would fail miserably because it does not take human nature into account. As the old saying in the USSR was "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us". Humans work off of an incentive system. Some are selfless enough to get their incentive from the collective good. Many are not.
Write, USSR was socialist. That is why they pretend. In communist system everybody does whatever he wants. No money involved. Total freedom.
First off "right" not "write". Why is lack of money total freedom? I can think of plenty of societal models that wouldn't have money and wouldn't be close to "free". Everyone doing whatever they want is certainly a prescription for societal disaster. Explain how that would work and please include human nature in your equation, not some idealized version of what you think humans should be.
Right, "right". Money is the root of all evils. But it is difficult to understand sometimes. Do not ask me to explain it. Try to figure out yourself. No hard feelings, please. Human nature, disaster? How this movement exists then? By virtue of money? It is already giving the example how world in new millennium should function. Everybody tired from previous course of life. It does not make world happy anymore. Can't buy happiness, it is not for sale yet. Time for change. But not small change. It must be big one. Total. Effecting all sides of human life. Worldwide.
Yet, what has this movement produced? When it is all said and done, that is the question. When all the smiles and rainbows of this movement are gone, how will we live? Things need to be produced to live.
Fundamental changes in society will not come from not changing anything in it foundation. This movement will not achieve anything, in my opinion, if monetary system will be left in place. It has to go in order to advance.
Explain to me how the system will work without money.
Rael, I explained it already in general terms. Out of good will, respect to those who contribute to society, mass production, volunteering, etc. Whole society has to be changed. Customs, morals. It is not simple. Big job. Example: OWS. See you tomorrow! Got to go...
That is glittering generalities. Explain how cars will get built. Explain how health care will be maintained. I just don't think human nature allows that to be accomplished effectively without a profit motive.
Are people in OWS movement for pay? They are for good future here, right? They can do their job without money not worse than for profit. For fun, out of boredom, etc, a lot of reasons. You find them by yourself if you want. Nobody else can explain it for you better than yourself.